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Max And Kelley Grimm
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Trip the Beltway Fantastic With Kelley Vlahos and Friends
Is Trump Losing his ‘America First’ Base Over the Epstein Files?
The Trump administration is reeling from a potential disaster but one of its own making. After months of roiling criticism over DOGE cuts and deportations, Trump has found himself in a situation in which his loyal base is revolting over his refusal to release the Epstein files. Not only that, his administration — including Attorney General Pam Bondi — has gone from saying an infamous Epstein client list does not exist, to asserting the files themselves were “created” by President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and that there is essentially “nothing to see here” but more left-wing attacks whipping up against hi...
2025-07-16
39 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ellie in the Closet - audio book
Send us a textJoin Max as he reads Ellie in the Closet, which is the heartwarming story of Ellie, a shy rainbow lizard who longs to be accepted just like any other kid. When her bright scales make her a target for teasing, Ellie hides away in her closet, believing no one could ever see her as beautiful. But everything changes when a kind new friend named Storm offers her comfort, sandwiches, and the courage to step into the light. A gentle tale about friendship, self-acceptance, and the bravery it takes to...
2025-06-27
04 min
Credit Crawl
“The Last of Us” Season2
Last of Us season 2 streaming on Max now!! (Soon to be HBO Max again… why? No one knows but the show is good.)
2025-05-29
49 min
Creative Actors Lab
Shapeshifter & Atlanta Fringe
Send us a textJoin Max, Kelley and their daughter Danielle as they discuss the production of Max's one man spoken word album, Shapeshifter. It was a labor of love that almost didn't happen when Max got sick in February, and it was due at the end of March. Luckily, Danielle help guide the project and found a recording studio at the local library and sound edited the entire piece. Kelley also got to play an ex-girlfriend with a strange way of showing affection. To listen to the album, go to Atlanta Fringe Audio. H...
2025-05-21
45 min
Celestial with Steve Kelley
Deep Paradise with Steve Kelley - 9 April 2025
Catch Steve each and every week playing the latest Deep House & Deep Tech House tracks. 🎵 Tracklist: Tim Green – The Night Is Blue Deryk Rossen – Magneto T. Markakis – Love Away Dam Swindle – I Need You Deryk Rossen – Tal Vez Max Haas – Mimetic Lauren Lo Sung – Tresor Deep Dish, Tracey Thorn Meera (NO) – Grevling Houston (UK) – Giving Up Jorhav – Sunset 📲 Follow me: Instagram: @djstevekelley SoundCloud: @djstevekelley 📡 Available to stream on: SoundCloud, Mixcloud, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, Amazon Music, TuneIn & Google Podcasts 🌐 Website: www.djstevekelley.com
2025-04-09
1h 04
Wild Business Growth
Greg Fisher – Kelley Entrepreneurship Professor, The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress
Greg Fisher, the Kelley Professor of Entrepreneurship and Author of The Principles of Entrepreneurial Progress, joins the show to share his journey from accountant in South Africa to teaching the next generation of entrepreneurs at Indiana University (IU). Hear how to become a college professor, the mistakes many new entrepreneurs make, how to keep things simple as an entrepreneur, how to maintain a sense of urgency, and the moment Greg felt truly at home in Bloomington. Connect with Greg on LinkedIn and check out his book on Amazon
2025-01-22
44 min
Creative Actors Lab
Sophia's Carol
Send us a textMedium Sophia Gardeen must examine her life choices with the help of Charles Dickens, Bob the Atheist ghost, and the spirits of two hip grandmothers on an especially haunted Christmas Eve. Includes the voice talents of:Kelley Cody-Grimm as Sophia Gardeen and Little SophiaBenja Petty at Bob the Atheist GhostMax Grimm as Charlies Dickens, Cal Gardeen and a DemonKim Hart as Laura Gardeen, Nana and Nicki's MotherDamita Parks as Etta and Announcer Eion McCrary as Jess Irene Naranjo as MeMa and...
2024-12-25
36 min
Creative Actors Lab
When a Bell Rings
Send us a textJoin us as ghosthunter Jack Bronson gets some divine intervention on Christmas Eve from Em, an angel who needs to help Jack so she can get back into the good graces of her "boss" with the help of Keith, the ghost. We have a wonderful cast of voice actors, including: Mezi Mulugeta as Em Dean Atkinson as Jack BronsonBrandon Winget as Keith the Ghost Shiyla Gantt as Jack's Mom, AngelaJustin Deen as Jack's Father, Ted BronsonChiron Broderick as DaveLiz Ireland as J...
2024-12-11
37 min
Creative Actors Lab
Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus!
Send us a textA special rendition of the classic holiday story and editorial written by New York Sun's Francis P. Church for an editorial on September 21, 1897. The voice talent includes Carlos Tovar, Blerta Xhelili, Estella Love-Rice, and Kelley Cody-Grimm. This is a collaboration between OTC Productions and Creative Actors Lab.For more on Creative Actors Lab, check our website, www.creativeactorslab.com. You can always find us at our Instagram page, @creative_actors_lab, Facebook page, @CreativeActorsLab, Linked-In - Creative Actors Lab, and YouTube Channel - @CreativeActorsLab . If you would like to support our w...
2024-12-09
03 min
Creative Actors Lab
The Demonis - The Deadliest Family in America - Part 2
Send us a textNero and Malaria hatch a plan to deal with Larry Linberg and his photo development store after a shocking discovery. Manson and Esther befriend Saffronia and her brother Nelson after the Mayor's son and daughter bully them. The Demonis also face heightened scrutiny from their nosey neighbor. Warning: Adult Themes and ContentDirected, Written, and Edited by Danielle GrimmProduced by Danielle Grimm and Kelley Cody-GrimmWith the voice talents of:Darrell Snedeger as Nero DemoniKatelin Chesna as Malaria Demoni...
2024-10-23
28 min
Creative Actors Lab
The Demonis - The Deadliest Family in America - Part 1
Send us a textAfter going on the run after a botched murder, the Demoni family settles into the simple small town of Simpleton, a perfect vision of 1960s suburban utopia–or so it seems! As they learn more about the unsavory characters in town, they know that they have their work cut out for them, which includes cutting down those who exploit the innocent. Warning: Adult Themes and ContentDirected, Written, and Edited by Danielle GrimmProduced by Danielle Grimm and Kelley Cody-GrimmWith the voice talents of:
2024-10-16
32 min
Real Deal Investing
Why Multifamily Properties Are a Game-Changer for Investors
In this episode of "Real Deal Investing", hosts Jerron Kelley, a seasoned real estate attorney, and Larry Mastropieri, a real estate broker and agent, talk with Max Granofsky. Max is the owner of Arbor Residential, a company involved in property management, real estate brokerage, and syndication of properties for investors.Max shares his journey in real estate, which began 12 years ago after obtaining a master's degree in real estate development and finance. He started at a commercial real estate brokerage, focusing on leasing and multifamily properties. Eventually, Max transitioned to investing, purchasing a small strip shopping center...
2024-09-26
1h 08
Chapter Select
S4E6 - The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift - Super Edition
Let’s go back to 2006…or are we in 2014? The gaijin Max Roberts and Logan Moore are joined by Yakuza member Michael Ruiz to examine how small stakes feel in a post-Fast & Furious 6 world. Has the Tokyo crew drifted into our hearts or are they better off forgotten? On Super Chapter Select: Max talks about chicken pot pie before the boys discuss Marvel games at D23 2022. You can download a copy of this episode's transcript here. The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift Release Date - June 16, 2006 Director - Justin Lin Producers - Ne...
2024-09-25
1h 41
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 51 - A Clean Slate
Send us a textIn this episode, Kelley discusses what you need to do in a slate and do it correctly for an audition. A slate is a basic introduction before you submit your sides or monologue to a casting director or agent. It helps them see who you are before you delve into your character. Mostly, they want to see that you are easy to work with. Here is some of the essential information you need to include, but check with the specifications in the email or casting instructions to make sure you're including the correct i...
2024-08-05
25 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 50 - Life's a Pitch and Then You Try
Send us a textIn this episode, Kelley discusses the fine art of pitch decks for authors, screenwriters, and filmmakers. She looks at the basic structure of about 12 to 15 slides that can be in Google Slides or PowerPoint which includes:Cover ArtLoglineComps - other works that you can compare it to. Character Descriptions - only for your to 6 to 7 charactersSynopsis of the plot - one page or slide.The inspiration for the projectThe Tone - what visuals to use. The marketing potential - Who is your audience? About the author/screenwriter/or production crew (director or wri...
2024-07-15
31 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 49 - The Notebook
Send us a textIn this episode, Max talks about how he left art school to pursue acting and how much he learned in the process. At one point, he was in the best and worst productions he'd ever been in. He's looking back at his history to plan for the future which is a great exercise for anyone, no matter your age. For more on Creative Actors Lab, check our website, www.creativeactorslab.com. You can always find us at our Instagram page, @creative_actors_lab, Facebook page, @CreativeActorsLab, Linked-In - Creative Actors Lab, an...
2024-07-08
35 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 48 -The Write Stuff - Part 2 -Writing with AI
Send us a textThis week, Kelley talks about using AI to help you cut down on your writing time, whether it's helping you write a synopsis based on your Save the Cat Beat sheet, crafting a logline, or doing research for your pitch deck. What AI doesn't do well is writing comedy, and we discuss that, too. Here are some of the AI resources that Kelley talks about:Claude AI is good for doing literary research and asking about characters or authors or creating loglines, but not comedy.ChatGPT is good for creating S...
2024-06-24
26 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 47 - The Write Stuff
Send us a textThis week, Max and Kelley talk about their creative journey through writing, with Max's being mostly in poetry and writing a blog for a year and Kelley's journey with writing scripts, short stories, and novels. Max also talks about a time in the early 90s when a short film that he wrote and produced called The Red and the Black was banned in New Zealand. Kelley talks about learning from Table Reads for her work and those of others like Brandon Winget. She also talks about how reading pilot scripts and first drafts of...
2024-04-15
39 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 46 - Reflections on "Quiet on the Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV"
Send us a textThis week, Kelley and Max discuss the documentary series Quiet on the Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV from the perspective of acting coaches and people who have also faced sexual assault. They discuss how important it is to listen to your gut instinct and how their experiences have helped them help others. Please note that this episode discusses sexual assault. It's not an easy topic, but it needs to be discussed because toxic and manipulative people exist beyond TV and movie sets. Max and Kelley talk about how they ide...
2024-04-08
49 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 45 - The Creative Brain
Send us a textMax and Kelley discuss the importance of creativity and how it affects your brain when you do or try something new. They also discuss some of the scientific findings and a podcast by Dr. David Eagleman called The Inner Cosmos. Max also talks about different problem-solving approaches, such as the SWOT analysis, Business War Games, and Brain Storming and Brain Writing. We also discuss how important it is to seek out new adventures and skills and how your brain lights up like fireworks on the Fourth of July when it is challenged by s...
2024-04-01
53 min
The HERshyt Show
The HERshyt Show 117 Creative Actors Lab with Max Karl & Kelley Cody-Grimm
Max and Kelley's journey began amidst the vibrant energy of the Florida International University Playwright's Festival, where they first crossed paths. This encounter marked the inception of a deeply enriching creative partnership that has endured for over three decades. Together, they have orchestrated an array of acclaimed projects, ranging from award-winning improv showcases to a pilot feature that garnered recognition at an international film festival. Their collaborative endeavors have extended to curating events for prominent figures in both political and business spheres.In their roles as mentors at 541 Productions, Max and Kelley have empowered countless students, imparting...
2024-03-21
50 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 44 - Taking a 20 Year Pause
Send us a textJoin Max and Kelley as they discuss why someone like Max might need to step away from acting for a few decades. In the interim, he found a new love of writing poetry, cooking as a chef, and expanding his painting ability. Kelley talks about leaving an improv company after some bad experiences and finding the love of her life (spoiler alert - it's Max). Thanks and have a great week. For more on Creative Actors Lab, check our website, www.creativeactorslab.com. You can always find us at our...
2024-03-18
37 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 43 - Private Detective Work for Characters
Send us a textThis week, Kelley and Max explore how to act like a private detective when you're creating or playing a character. They explore the process of researching a character's motivation by pretending that you were hired to follow the character around. They delve into various aspects, such as how the character would cross the street, how they would perform household chores, or how they would get ready for work.Kelley and Max also discuss a play they did for Florida International University (FIU) called Mad Forest by Caryl Churchill. The play revolves...
2024-03-12
42 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 42 - Meditations for Creatives
Send us a textThis week, Max and Kelley discuss the importance of meditating and reflecting on your art and what creativity you can accomplish. We discuss different meditation techniques, including Yoga Nidra it is considered sleep yoga, non-sleep deep rest,, and it's meant to reset your nervous system. If you want to check out some of the practitioners, here are a few that Max suggests:Ayla Nova - Yoga Nidra - here is a link to a YouTube intro video.Ally Boothroyd - here is a link to a 10-minute YouTube video.
2024-03-04
41 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 41 - Godmother of Improv - Viola Spolin
Send us a textThis week, Kelley and Max look at the person who has influenced Kelley's acting journey the most: Viola Spolin. Viola Spolin was an actress, educator, director, author, and the creator of theater games, a system of actor training that uses games she devised to teach the formal rules of the Theater organically. Her groundbreaking book Improvisation for the Theater transformed American theater and revolutionized how acting is taught. Here is a link to the website. Her son, Paul Sills, founded the legendary Second City improv group. Kelley uses many of her m...
2024-02-26
40 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 40 - Character Descriptions for the Actor & Writer
Send us a textJoin Max and Kelley as we look at iconic character descriptions in screenplays from Rick Blaine in Casablanca to Annie Wilkes in Misery to Apollo Creed in Rocky and Rose Maxson in Fences, and many other characters in between. We discuss the impact these characters had in their films and why writing good descriptions is vital for both the actor and the writer. You get to hear the actual description as it was in the script and how an actor would interpret that character. For more on Creative Actors La...
2024-02-19
54 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 39 - What to Know about Set Etiquette
Send us a textMax and Kelley discuss the importance of Set Etiquette whether you're on stage or on a TV or Movie set. They use personal examples of the do's and dont's such as:Do be kind and show good manners. Don't ask for a selfie with a lead. Do be on time. Don't try to manifest by telling a lead you will be their co-star one day. (Yes, we saw that happen)We also talk about how being professional and nice to the Assistant Directors and Production Assistants might land you in a sce...
2024-02-12
48 min
Entrepreneurial Elevation
Achieving Business Success While Experiencing Personal and Family Happiness: With Realtor Trung Bien
What does it take to be consistent in business such that you experience results?What impact does investing in yourself personally, having a mentor, and being coachable have on your business?Have you ever struggled with balancing business, family life and your personal well being?Trung shares tips and guidance on how to lead your life in the pursuit of happiness such that success follows.Trung's official entry into real estate started when he bought his first rental property in 2006. By 2010 he acquired a $3.5 million portfolio of rental properties in Calgary...
2024-02-06
39 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 38 - A Special Interview with Hersh of The HERshyt Show Podcast
Send us a textThis week, Max and Kelley interview fellow podcaster and the person who gave us great advice on starting our own show, Hersh from HERshyt Show. She's a retired combat veteran and also a FEMA hero who helps people and families get the help they need during a disaster. One huge suggestion, keep an inventory of what you have in your home and put special documents in safe place, either a fire proof box or safe deposit box or have big receipts scanned and kept in the cloud. She gives great advice on handling t...
2024-02-05
50 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 37 - Voice Over & Practice Scripts with Max
Send us a textMax is flying solo in this episode as he talks about doing something he's always wanted to do - voice-over work. He'll take you through his journey and even cold read a few scripts from Edge Studio, which specializes in voice-overs and has a library of over 6,500 free voice-over commercial scripts, narration, and animation. It's a great place to practice your voice-over skills. Here's the link to the Edge Studio script library so you can try it out for yourself. For more on Creative Actors Lab, check our website, www.creativeactorslab.com...
2024-01-29
29 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 36 - An Interview with Brandon Winget - Actor & Screenwriter
Send us a textThis week, Kelley and Max interview their student, Brandon Winget and talk about the acting and writing process. Brandon recently played Keith the Ghost on When a Bell Rings as well as also doing work with Brett Newton of LA Reels for a short film as well. We also put Brandon in the Hot seat and ask him probing question like his favorite sandwich, favorite action movie and we learn more about the love of his life, his wife, Jessie who he met in high school. Join us as we learn m...
2024-01-22
46 min
The Nature of Invisible Things
1.0 The Nature of Invisible Things with Astrologer & Mystic Erin Kelley
In this introductory episode of The Nature of Invisible Things (TNIT), I talk about the origin story of this podcast and how it intertwines with my own origin story. I hope you enjoy it!Erin Kelley (she/her) is a writer, ceremonial astrologer, and mystic with a feral heart. Her intuitive gift of right timing is the essence behind her work, affectionately called Slow Magick. Erin believes desire is holy, change happens when it is time, and eros is the driving impulse connecting this moment to the next. With an 8th house stellium, Erin is known for...
2024-01-21
56 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 35 - Make Room for New Ideas
Send us a textKelley is flying solo this week and talks about how to make a resolution to allow yourself to be more creative and not block ideas that might some when you're working on another project. It's those creative detours that can often produce amazing results because you didn't plan them. We're also looking at having guests on to discuss their creative process and how they get to where they're going. For more on Creative Actors Lab, check our website, www.creativeactorslab.com. You can always find us at our Instagram page, @creative_ac...
2024-01-16
19 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 34 - When a Bell Rings - Holiday Edition
Send us a textA ghost hunter whose life seems to be in decline learns what the world would be like without him with the help of a fallen angel and a ghost on a fateful Christmas Eve. We have a wonderful cast of voice actors, including: Mezi Mulugeta as Em Dean Atkinson as Jack BronsonBrandon Winget as Keith the Ghost Shiyla Gantt as Jack's Mom, AngelaJustin Deen as Jack's Father, Ted BronsonChiron Broderick as DaveLiz Ireland as Jack's Grandmother, NanaTammi Latela as M...
2023-12-22
37 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 33 - Evi in the Hot Seat!
Send us a textThis week's special guest is Queen Evi who talks about a wide range of subjects from first loves, how to govern, and favorite sandwiches. She talks about her kingdom and how to teach her daughters how to stand in their power. It's also a good way to explore any characters by asking them questions and then answering as that character. The questions include: Who was your first love?Favorite foods as a child. What do you regret? How would you like to be remembered? It helps you deep dive into y...
2023-12-11
24 min
Gator Tales with Sean Kelley
Gator Tales #15: Max Starks, Tim Walton & "Kenna on Campus"
Episode 15 of Gator Tales with Sean Kelley features Max Starks and Tim Walton. Sean interviews Max Starks as he reminisces about his career as a Gator and a Steeler and shares a good Steve Spurrier story, too. Coach Tim Walton is preparing for his 19th season as head coach of Gators softball. Sean checks in with Walton for a preview of the 2024 team and the future of sport in the Olympics. UF student, Kenna McGinnis, is readying for final exams and takes us behind the scenes at one of her favorite study spots in "Kenna On Campus." Fans can listen to t...
2023-12-07
46 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 32 - Long-Lost Play for Voices about Self Talk
Send us a textMax and Kelley discuss a long-lost performance piece Max wrote over twenty-five years ago when we first moved to Atlanta. The piece examines our inner voice and how important it is to give grace to ourselves even if things are not going as well as we hoped. He found it recently and wanted to perform it for our podcast audience for the first time. We also talked about our history of doing radio theater, including for a public radio station, WLRN in Miami, where we performed on the Pandamonium Midnight Uprising in...
2023-12-04
34 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 31 - Consent
Send us a textIn this episode, Max and Kelley discuss the importance of having consent from your acting partner before doing a romantic scene or a fight sequence. Too often actors might feel pushed into doing something that they are not comfortable in doing. If you don't have the experience to see if something doesn't pass the smell test, it can be daunting and you can be told you're not being a team player or helping the project. Max takes a few examples on his own career as caustionary tells. We discuss the importance of a...
2023-11-27
43 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 30 - Hey There, Neighbor! Monologue Coaching
Send us a textJoin Max and Kelley as they explore different interpretations of a monologue from the catalog of The Screenwriter's Grimm. Max offers to coach Kelley on different interpretations of Hey There, Neighbor, in which Detective Angela Johnson confronts her neighbor Kurt, who has been abusing his wife and family. She convinces the wife, Gail, to leave with the children to a safe house and is there to tell Kurt that his family has left him and is safe from his violence. We explore how many interpretations there might be with this piece a...
2023-11-20
36 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 29 - The Marriage of True Minds
Send us a textJoin Max and Kelley as we coach on a Shakespearean Sonnet 116 entitled Let Me Not to the Marriage of True Minds. Max is launching a series of The Bard's work on TikTok and would like to work on some sonnets. We look at the poem from different vantage points: as a sermon, a proposal, with different emotions, and from the POV of a wolf. This sonnet was the favorite of acting legend Laurence Olivier. For an actor, it's essential to understand Shakespeare even if you don't plan to perform it. Breaking do...
2023-11-13
46 min
Celestial with Steve Kelley
Deep Paradise With Steve Kelley - 8th Nov 2023
Catch Steve each and every week playing the latest Deep House & Deep Tech House tracks. Tracklist --------- 1. Tiga, Hudson Mohawke, Jesse Boykins III - Silence Of Love [Love Minus Communication] 2. Raoul - Vae Victis (Luvless Remix) [Inhale Exhale] 3. Max Telaer (Soela & Module One Remix) - Running [Inhale Exhale] 4. Truthlive - Santa Ynez [Miss En Place] 5. Marsh - Pneuma (Volen Sentir Extended Mix) [Anjunadeep] 6. Gorje Hewek, Volen Sentir - Ghosts [Anjunadeep] 7. Steve Bug - Quando Bailas Asi (Cristina Lazic Remix) [Bondage Music] 8. Angel Lee, Hayley Smith - I Want [Fibre Records] 9. Ron Elliot - Photon [17 Steps] 10. Peverell - Say It Louder...
2023-11-08
56 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 28 - More Ghost Stories with Dean Atkinson
Send us a textJoin Max and Kelley as we discuss more ghost experiences with Paranormal Investigator and fellow actor Dean Atkinson. They first met Dean while doing coaching for Acting Out Studios (now 541 Productions) and learned about his fascination with ghosts and otherworldly experiences. Dean talks about how his wife has been so supportive and even purchased some of his paranormal equipment. We also discussed a few of his acting jobs and working with Nightshift Paranormal Events. We discuss scary ghost experiences, life, death, power outages, and what makes a good sandwich. If you wan...
2023-11-06
40 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 27 - Theater Ghosts & Other Haunted Places
Send us a textMax and Kelley talk about their experiences with ghosts in a Miami theater, Underground Atlanta, and seeing holiday lights at a park in Tallahassee, where we actually got photo evidence two years in a row of a ghost with a tri-corner hat and his friends. What we learned from those experiences is that respecting the spirits is crucial, and when you do, they will often leave you alone and maybe jump in for a photo op. If you'd like to read about the ghosts we mention, this link to Kelley's blog...
2023-10-30
43 min
Creative Actors Lab
Ep. 26 - Acting Superstitions & The "M-Word"
Send us a textJoin Kelley and Max as we explore a few well-known and not-so-well-known acting superstitions. We explore what they are and offer logical explanations for why they came to be and include:Whistling backstage Ghost lightsNo blue costumes on stageNo mirrors on stageBad dress rehearsalsNo peacock feathers We also discuss the origin of wishing someone luck by telling them to "break a leg" and how that came into our modern lexicon. Finally, we address the Scottish Play (Macbeth), how it has an unlucky and sometimes deadly history, and how to combat the cur...
2023-10-23
43 min