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Recruiter Stories
Episode 28: PJ Dunn
Podcast Episode 28, featuring PJ Dunn, Certified Pro-Dev Coach, Behavioral Strategist; interview by Stuart Tenhoor. Stuart and PJ cover a wide-range of topics relevant to recruiters specifically and professionals generally, including self-limiting beliefs, imposter syndrome, Clifton strength finders, networking tips, untapped potential, and the concept of having a co-pilot, i.e. someone who can see all of the dials / gauges while you fly the plane.
2025-11-17
17 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 27: Patrick Fuller
Podcast 27, featuring Patrick Fuller, Chief Strategist, Legal at ALM; interview by Jordan Abshire. A long-term friend of NALSC, Patrick covers a range of topics, including law firm strategy & challenges across segments, how recruiters can use data, and the importance of being unique, memorable, & irreplaceable. Patrick injects his trademark humor along the way and closes with a preview of his current book project, inspired by a virtual NALSC session during the pandemic.
2025-10-23
32 min
The Lawyer Diaries
Stocking Your Office + NALSC Symposium Recap
In this episode of the Lawyer Diaries podcast, hosts Becca and Erica reflect on their recent experiences at the NALSC Symposium in Denver, discussing the evolving landscape of legal recruitment. They delve into the challenges faced by law students today, including earlier decision-making for summer associate positions and the impact of AI on junior associates. The conversation also covers retention rates among associates and offers practical tips for junior attorneys on how to personalize their office spaces and stock up on essentials for a successful work environment.Email us at thelawyerdiariespodcast@gmail.com
2025-10-06
29 min
The Lawyer Diaries
How To Choose a Legal Recruiter
In this episode of the Lawyer Diaries podcast, hosts Erica and Becca discuss the essential aspects of choosing a legal recruiter. They emphasize the importance of the National Association of Legal Search Consultants (NALSC) in ensuring ethical practices in recruiting. The hosts provide valuable tips for candidates, including the significance of resume reviews, interview preparation, and the need for a responsive and candidate-focused recruiter. They also highlight red flags to watch out for when selecting a recruiter, such as lack of communication and transparency.Email us at thelawyerdiariespodcast@gmail.comThinking about...
2025-09-22
25 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 26: Jarrett Green
Podcast 26, featuring Well-Being, Stress Resiliency, & Peak Performance Consultant Jarrett Green; interview by Jordan Abshire. Jarrett will be presenting the Keynote at our upcoming Symposium in Denver on "Thriving through the Chaos: Science-Based Tools to Emotionally and Cognitively Thrive and Maximize Your Productivity." In this episode, Jarrett covers his journey from Skadden associate to lawyer wellness. Key takeaways: 1) Protect the first 5 mins and last 30 mins of your day by putting away cell phone; your brain needs time to warm-up and wind-down. 2) We have to face that limiting beliefs that prevent us from doing the thing that will actually mak...
2025-09-15
28 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 25: Kait LeDonne
Podcast 25, featuring Personal Branding and LinkedIn Expert, Kait LeDonne; interview by Jordan Abshire. Kait will be presenting at our upcoming Symposium in Denver on "Building a Magnetic Personal Brand to Elevate Legal Recruiting Success". In this episode, we cover the importance of narrative and story-telling, even to a skeptical, logic-oriented audience of lawyers; "facts tell and stories sell." Other wisdom includes: 1) authenticity does not equal oversharing. 2) It takes 60 impressions for your story / brand to resonate with a digital audience; when you're getting bored telling it, they are only just tuning in. 3) Branding online is building intimacy at sca...
2025-09-01
28 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 24: Eva Wisnik
Podcast 24, featuring Eva Wisnik; interview by Jordan Abshire. Career and interview expert Eva Wisnik previews her upcoming panel at the Fall Symposium "Best Practices for Interviewing and Acquiring Lateral Talent." Eva shares a number of interviewing gems like: 1) Avoid familiarity and curiosity questions; instead, ask questions that give you the chance to hear their thinking. 2) Don't ask questions in the negative. Instead of asking people what their weakness is, for example, ask them how your firm could help them grow. 3) Make sure each interviewer on your panel knows what their specific objective is.
2025-08-13
17 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 23: Blane Prescott
Podcast 23, featuring Blane Prescott; interview by Jordan Abshire. Law firm management consultant Blane Prescott discusses partner compensation, origination credits, two tiered systems, lateral partner vetting and more. Wisdom dropped includes: the highest paid partner at a firm may well be under-paid; most partners don't demonstrate whether they're going to be successful at business development until their mid-to-late 30s; only 10 to 15% of partners are ever going to be great rainmakers.
2025-07-08
25 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 22: Amy McCormack
Podcast 22, featuring Amy McCormack; interview by Jordan Abshire. Long-time NALSC Member walks down memory lane, including the creation of NALSC's first newsletter, faxing resumes, and signing up to be one of Bullhorn's first customers. Amy also drops a lot of recruiting wisdom, including the 3 components of our profession that a recruiter needs to embrace to be successful: educating, counseling and selling.
2025-06-09
19 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 21: Caren Ulrich stacy
Podcast 21, featuring Caren Ulrich Stacy; interview by Jordan Abshire. Diversity Lab's Caren Ulrich Stacy talks about her early career in legal recruiting and professional development. Caren also discusses Moneyball for lawyers and insights revealed by data analysis around predictors of success for attorney hires, as well as in-group/out-group dynamics in integration. After discussing the genesis of the OnRamp Fellowship, Caren previews what she will cover during her NALSC Presents session on April 23rd.
2025-04-09
27 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 20: Michael Elkins & Amy Mallow
Podcast 20, featuring upcoming Conference Speakers Michael Elkins & Amy Mallow; interview by Jordan Abshire. Michael is a veteran labor employment and sports law attorney who will be part of a panel addressing AI and remote working pitfalls for recruiters. In addition to previewing the panel, Michael shares a number of invaluable tips around branding and social media. Amy has held a wide variety of positions in the legal services space and will be presenting in Miami on career paths for recruiters from someone who has done it all. In our conversation, you will be exposed to a wide range of car...
2025-02-11
25 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 19: Sterling Miller
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 19, featuring upcoming Conference Keynote Sterling Miller; interview by Jordan Abshire.
2025-01-11
19 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 18: Joe Ankus
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 18, featuring Joe Ankus on mental health; interview by Jordan Abshire.
2024-12-09
19 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 17: Connie Rinaldi, Stephanie Ankus, Valerie Fontaine
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 17, featuring Board Member Connie Rinaldi and NALSC HQ (Stephanie Ankus, Valerie Fontaine); interview by Jordan Abshire.
2024-11-25
35 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 16: Jennifer Gillman and Trevon Jenifer
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 16, featuring Jennifer Gillman and Trevon Jenifer; interview by Jordan Abshire.
2024-10-24
38 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 15: Nikia Gray and Kendall Lowery
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 15: Featuring Fall Symposium Speakers Nikia Gray and Kendall Lowery; interview by Jordan Abshire
2024-08-29
31 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 14: Mey Ly Ortiz and Esther Alpert
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 14: Featuring Fall Symposium Speaker Mey Ly Ortiz and new NALSC Board Member Esther Alpert; interview by Jordan Abshire
2024-07-21
36 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 13: Kevin Bacon & Hilary Gerzhoy
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 13: Featuring new NALSC Board Member Kevin Bacon and Fall Symposium Speaker Hilary Gerzhoy; interview by Jordan Abshire
2024-06-12
34 min
Recruiter Stories
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 12: Stuart Tenhoor
NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 12: Featuring new NALSC Board Member Stuart Tenhoor; interview by Jordan Abshire
2024-05-16
21 min
Recruiter Stories
Episode 11: Interview with 2024 NALSC Conference Panel Facilitator Chuck Curtis, with Jordan Abshire and Scott Love
In this episode, your NALSC Podcast co-hosts Jordan Abshire and Scott Love interview Chuck Curtis, discussing key issues related to client development.
2024-02-07
15 min
Recruiter Stories
Episode 10: Interviews with NALSC 2024 Annual Conference speakers Rob Mosley and Alex Su
In this episode, tune in to learn some of the ideas and talking points that two of our speakers will be sharing with us during our annual conference in San Diego at the Pendry, Feb 29 to March 2nd. https://www.nalsc.org/2024-annual-conference/ Opening Session: "The Four Great Truths" Opening speaker: Rob Mosley - Managing Partner of Learning & Development at Next Level Exchange. In a highly interactive session filled with practical takeaways, we will learn where 'what is smart' meets 'what is right' in our industry. Exercises and tailored worksheets will cover Awareness, Behavior, Diag...
2023-12-18
19 min
Recruiter Stories
Episode 9: Scott Love interviews new board member Melissa Peters, and fall symposium speaker Zach Warren
In this episode, we introduce our new board member Melissa Peters, and also have a conversation with one of our fall symposium presenters, Zach Warren. https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissapetersesq/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/zach-warren-19403371/ https://www.nalsc.org/2023-fall-symposium/
2023-10-14
16 min
Recruiter Stories
Episode 8: Ethel Badawi, new board member; Conference Sneak Peek with Chris Desantis
In this episode, we introduce our new board member Ethel Badawi, and also have a conversation with our fall symposium keynote speaker Chris Desantis. https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethelbadawi/ https://cpdesantis.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/cpdesantis/ https://www.nalsc.org/2023-fall-symposium/
2023-08-31
18 min
The Future Is Bright Podcast
Ep #23 Why Law Partners Leave with Dan Binstock
"According to Dan Binstock, successful partnerships rely on key factors such as people, practice, compensation, and confidence." Join Chris Batz and Dan Binstock, a partner at Garrison & Sisson in Washington, DC, as they discuss the reasons why law partners decide to leave their current law firms. Dan outlines the top four reasons behind partner transitions, including concerns about firm leadership, inadequate practice support, compensation and profitability issues, and a lack of confidence in the current firm. Chris and Dan provide an in-depth analysis of each of these factors, offering valuable insights for partners who are contemplating a...
2023-08-22
57 min
The Future Is Bright Podcast
Ep #23 Why Law Partners Leave with Dan Binstock
"According to Dan Binstock, successful partnerships rely on key factors such as people, practice, compensation, and confidence." Join Chris Batz and Dan Binstock, a partner at Garrison & Sisson in Washington, DC, as they discuss the reasons why law partners decide to leave their current law firms. Dan outlines the top four reasons behind partner transitions, including concerns about firm leadership, inadequate practice support, compensation and profitability issues, and a lack of confidence in the current firm. Chris and Dan provide an in-depth analysis of each of these factors, offering valuable insights for partners who are contemplating a...
2023-08-22
57 min
Chambers Associate Podcast
A solution to the dreaded LPQ? Introducing the U-LPQ with NALSC president Mitch Satalof and Nixon Peabody partner Tina Solis
There are many bugbears that come with making a career move. Close to the top of the list is the sheer amount of time spent mulling over applications and filling out forms. Law firm partners know this more than most. Lateral partner moves, more often than not, involve filling out the dreaded Lateral Partner Questionnaire (LPQ) - a form which differs between firms. Sure, an hour spent filling out one form isn't the end of the world... but times that by five and think about all the billables you're missing out on! Surely there's a simple solution... ...
2023-07-19
23 min
Recruiter Stories
Episode 7: Jordan Abshire, new Board member; Tina Solis: When Laterals Move to Other Firms
In Episode 7 of the NALSC Podcast, we get to hear from Jordan Abshire, a new NALSC board member. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordanabshire/ We also hear from Tina Solis with Nixon Peabody, who shares her insights and suggestions on what lateral attorneys need to know from an ethics perspective when moving to another firm. https://www.linkedin.com/in/tina-solis-39538116/
2023-07-18
33 min
Recruiter Stories
Episode 6: Conference Sneak Peek: Gina Passarella and Susan Lambreth, Interviewed by Scott Love
In this special episode of Recruiter Stories, you will hear from two of our Spring Conference speakers, talking about their sessions and how they will help you. First, Scott Love interviews Gina Passarella, Editor-in-Chief, Global Legal Brands, with ALM media as she discusses her presentation, "Gina Passarella Looks into her Crystal Ball: Trends on Movement, Economics, and More." And then Scott interviews Susan Lambreth, a founding Principal at LawVision and a management consultant to law firms, as she discusses talking points related to her panel discussion, "A Practice Group Leader's Perspective for Lateral Recruiting". Travis P...
2023-03-10
13 min
Recruiter Stories
Episode 5: Mitch Satalof, Natalie Thorsen Harris, Scott Love, Chris Graham
Natalie Thorsen Harris interviews NALSC President Mitch Satalof. Scott Love interviews NALSC keynote speaker Chris Graham about his topic for our annual conference.
2023-01-31
27 min
Recruiter Stories
Episode 4: Patrick Moya and Gary Miles
In this episode, NALSC President Mitch Satalof interviews board member Patrick Moya; Board member Scott Love interviews Gary Miles to discuss his fall symposium presentation: The Data Behind the Shifting DEI Landscape
2022-09-08
29 min
Recruiter Stories
Episode 3, Kathy Richardson and Jason Feifer
Mitch Satalof interviews Kathy Richardson. Scott Love interviews fall symposium keynote speaker Jason Feifer.
2022-08-02
31 min
Chambers Associate Podcast
7 questions every attorney should ask their recruiter, with NALSC board member Valerie Fontaine
Changing jobs is stressful. Working with a legal recruiter can help, but how can you tell if a recruiter has your best interests at heart? How do you know that they’re steering you to the opportunities that are right for you rather than the ones that are right for them and their business? Before choosing a recruiter, seasoned recruiter Valerie Fontaine says there are seven questions every attorney should ask to figure out if they have your best interests at heart and can help steer you to the job opportunities that are right for you, rather th...
2022-06-13
29 min
Recruiter Stories
Episode 2, Valerie Fontaine and Dan Binstock
In this Episode, NALSC president Mitch Satalof interviews Valerie Fontaine, and Raphael Franze interviews Dan Binstock on his conference panel "Sensitive Situations".
2022-04-11
30 min
Chambers Associate Podcast
How to take charge of your job search, with NALSC president Mitch Satalof
Planning your next career move can be a daunting prospect. To help make the process easier and navigate the beast that is the legal market, many associates will turn to a recruiter. But when should you approach a recruiter? Which ones have your best interests at heart? And how long will the process take? We answer all these questions and more in an interview with Mitch Satalof, seasoned legal recruiter, and president of NALSC (National Association of Legal Search Consultants).
2022-01-26
20 min
Recruiter Stories
Episode 1: Ross Weil, Keith Fall, and Pat Gillette
In our inaugural episode of "Recruiter Stories", NALSC President Mitch Satalof interviews Ross Weil and Keith Fall with Walker Associates in New York City. NALSC Board Member Scott Love interviews Pat Gillette, keynote speaker at the 2022 NALSC Conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. For more information on the National Association of Legal Search Consultants, visit us on the web at www.nalsc.org.
2022-01-18
33 min
The Partner Podcast
Lateral Integration: Improving the Odds of Success of Lateral Partner Moves
Karen Kaplowitz is President of The New Ellis Group, a business development strategy and coaching firm which she founded in 1997 after a 25-year career as a trial lawyer and rainmaker in Los Angeles. She has helped hundreds of partners in law firms throughout the US to build their practices. She also specializes in helping lateral partners make successful transitions to their new firms. Karen was named one of Lawdragon’s Global 100 – Leading Consultants and Strategists to the Legal Profession in 2018 and 2019. She is a frequent speaker at industry meetings including NALSC and NALP. She has written and spoken extensively on latera...
2019-07-31
24 min