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Recruiter StoriesNALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 36: Jae Um; interview by Jordan AbshireNALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 36: Jae Um; interview by Jordan Abshire Jae Um, Chief Growth Officer and Head of Knowledge at Lumio, shares her perspective on the future of the legal industry, drawing on her experience in law firm strategy, pricing, innovation, and business development. She argues that today's legal market is becoming increasingly fragmented and dynamic, with firms differentiating themselves through more focused growth strategies rather than simply adding lawyers, offices, and practices. Jae discusses how the rise of lateral hiring, evolving partnership expectations, and rapid advances in AI are reshaping both law firm...
2026-06-1640 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 35: Tiffany Ambrose; interview by Jordan AbshireEpisode 35: Tiffany Ambrose; interview by Jordan Abshire. Tiffany Ambrose, Principal at Principal Recruiting and a new NALSC board member, reflects on her transition from practicing family law into legal recruiting, explaining how her desire to help people through difficult transitions naturally carried over into the recruiting profession. She discusses how recruiting provided both a rewarding career path and greater flexibility as a mother of three, while also allowing her to build deeper professional relationships and grow her personal brand through initiatives like her "Recruiter Real Talk" webinar series. Tiffany also shares lessons learned from the e...
2026-05-1915 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 34: Victoria GambleEpisode 34: Victoria Gamble, new NALSC Board Member; interview by Jordan Abshire. Victoria Gamble, founder of Gamble Partner Search and a new NALSC board member, reflects on her path into legal recruiting and the lessons that shape her partner-level work. Drawing on her experience as a Division I rower at Penn, she emphasizes alignment, consistency, and team-first thinking, noting that successful placements require both sides to move in sync. She discusses her transition from in-house recruiting to launching her own firm, highlighting the importance of self-awareness when considering entrepreneurship and the added demands of building and m...
2026-04-1724 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 33: David Gialanella, Editor-in-Chief of Business of Law and the American Lawyer Episode 33, featuring David Gialanella; interview by Jordan Abshire. David, Editor-in-Chief of The American Lawyer, breaks down ALM's latest lateral report, explaining that today's market reflects an intensification—not a fundamental shift—of longstanding BigLaw dynamics, driven by client demand for scale and full-service platforms. He discusses the rise of a "post-loyalty" mindset, where multiple lateral moves are normalized and candidates increasingly prioritize platform strength over pure compensation to maximize book-building potential. We also explore how lateral movement is self-reinforcing, with market "inertia" fueled by peer awareness and firm competition—particularly among Am Law 50 firms, whose scale a...
2026-03-1929 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 32: Stephanie Chen BanjoEpisode 32, featuring Stephanie Chen Banjo; interview by Jordan Abshire. Stephanie previews her upcoming NALSC Conference breakout session, Navigating Candidate Roadblocks, where she will explore the hidden psychological and practical factors that influence lawyers' career-move decisions. Drawing from her work as an executive and career coach in professional services, Stephanie explains how many attorneys follow a "conveyor belt" career progression until they reach a point where the path forward becomes less defined, forcing them to reconsider what success truly means. She discusses the role confidence plays at every stage of a legal career, the importance of helping candidates articulate what th...
2026-02-1611 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 31: Chris De Santis Episode 31, featuring Chris De Santis; interview by Jordan Abshire. Chris previews his upcoming NALSC Conference session, Closing the Generational Communication Gap. Chris explains how generational friction is less about personality and more about deeply embedded differences in upbringing, authority, communication, and expectations, with conflict most often arising between adjacent generations rather than distant ones. He discusses themes from his book, Why I Find You Irritating, including the concept of "lopsidedness"—the idea that everyone is exceptional at something but not everything—and why effective teams and leaders must intentionally leverage complementary strengths. The episode also explores how AI and shifting n...
2026-02-0216 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast Episode 30: Ava Diamond Dreyer & Andrew BlatterEpisode 30, featuring Ava Diamond Dreyer and Andrew Blatter; interview by Jordan Abshire. Ava and Andrew preview their upcoming Brain Care Basics session at the NALSC Conference in New Orleans. Take-aways: Recruiting is neurologically demanding because recruiters are always "on" and operate in a high-stakes, low-control environment. Resulting amygdala activation and stress chemistry can distort judgment. Strategies in New Orleans will offer healthy control over internal state for clearer perception and better engagement with clients/firms; pillars include nutritional psychology, neuroscience-based mindset, strategic movement, and restoration.
2026-01-2016 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 29: David LatPodcast Episode 29, featuring David Lat, legal industry observer and founder of Above the Law and Original Jurisdiction; interview by Jordan Abshire. David shares his thoughts on how Above the Law has changed the legal profession. David also discusses the impact of OCI's accelerated timeline on lateral movement, the implications of AI, and marketing / branding advice for recruiters. Lastly, David previews his Keynote Address at our upcoming Annual Conference in New Orleans.
2026-01-0517 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast: Episode 28: PJ Dunn Podcast Episode 28, featuring PJ Dunn, Certified Pro-Dev Coach, Behavioral Strategist; interview by Stuart Tenhoor. Stuart and PJ cover a wide-range of topics relevant to recruiters specifically and professionals generally, including self-limiting beliefs, imposter syndrome, Clifton strength finders, networking tips, untapped potential, and the concept of having a co-pilot, i.e. someone who can see all of the dials / gauges while you fly the plane.
2025-11-1717 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 27: Patrick Fuller Podcast 27, featuring Patrick Fuller, Chief Strategist, Legal at ALM; interview by Jordan Abshire. A long-term friend of NALSC, Patrick covers a range of topics, including law firm strategy & challenges across segments, how recruiters can use data, and the importance of being unique, memorable, & irreplaceable. Patrick injects his trademark humor along the way and closes with a preview of his current book project, inspired by a virtual NALSC session during the pandemic.
2025-10-2332 min
The Lawyer DiariesStocking Your Office + NALSC Symposium RecapIn this episode of the Lawyer Diaries podcast, hosts Becca and Erica reflect on their recent experiences at the NALSC Symposium in Denver, discussing the evolving landscape of legal recruitment. They delve into the challenges faced by law students today, including earlier decision-making for summer associate positions and the impact of AI on junior associates. The conversation also covers retention rates among associates and offers practical tips for junior attorneys on how to personalize their office spaces and stock up on essentials for a successful work environment.Email us at thelawyerdiariespodcast@gmail.com
2025-10-0629 minThe Lawyer DiariesHow To Choose a Legal RecruiterIn this episode of the Lawyer Diaries podcast, hosts Erica and Becca discuss the essential aspects of choosing a legal recruiter. They emphasize the importance of the National Association of Legal Search Consultants (NALSC) in ensuring ethical practices in recruiting. The hosts provide valuable tips for candidates, including the significance of resume reviews, interview preparation, and the need for a responsive and candidate-focused recruiter. They also highlight red flags to watch out for when selecting a recruiter, such as lack of communication and transparency.Email us at thelawyerdiariespodcast@gmail.comThinking about...
2025-09-2225 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 26: Jarrett Green Podcast 26, featuring Well-Being, Stress Resiliency, & Peak Performance Consultant Jarrett Green; interview by Jordan Abshire. Jarrett will be presenting the Keynote at our upcoming Symposium in Denver on "Thriving through the Chaos: Science-Based Tools to Emotionally and Cognitively Thrive and Maximize Your Productivity." In this episode, Jarrett covers his journey from Skadden associate to lawyer wellness. Key takeaways: 1) Protect the first 5 mins and last 30 mins of your day by putting away cell phone; your brain needs time to warm-up and wind-down. 2) We have to face that limiting beliefs that prevent us from doing the thing that will actually mak...
2025-09-1528 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 25: Kait LeDonnePodcast 25, featuring Personal Branding and LinkedIn Expert, Kait LeDonne; interview by Jordan Abshire. Kait will be presenting at our upcoming Symposium in Denver on "Building a Magnetic Personal Brand to Elevate Legal Recruiting Success". In this episode, we cover the importance of narrative and story-telling, even to a skeptical, logic-oriented audience of lawyers; "facts tell and stories sell." Other wisdom includes: 1) authenticity does not equal oversharing. 2) It takes 60 impressions for your story / brand to resonate with a digital audience; when you're getting bored telling it, they are only just tuning in. 3) Branding online is building intimacy at sca...
2025-09-0128 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 24: Eva WisnikPodcast 24, featuring Eva Wisnik; interview by Jordan Abshire. Career and interview expert Eva Wisnik previews her upcoming panel at the Fall Symposium "Best Practices for Interviewing and Acquiring Lateral Talent." Eva shares a number of interviewing gems like: 1) Avoid familiarity and curiosity questions; instead, ask questions that give you the chance to hear their thinking. 2) Don't ask questions in the negative. Instead of asking people what their weakness is, for example, ask them how your firm could help them grow. 3) Make sure each interviewer on your panel knows what their specific objective is.
2025-08-1317 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 23: Blane PrescottPodcast 23, featuring Blane Prescott; interview by Jordan Abshire. Law firm management consultant Blane Prescott discusses partner compensation, origination credits, two tiered systems, lateral partner vetting and more. Wisdom dropped includes: the highest paid partner at a firm may well be under-paid; most partners don't demonstrate whether they're going to be successful at business development until their mid-to-late 30s; only 10 to 15% of partners are ever going to be great rainmakers.
2025-07-0825 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 22: Amy McCormackPodcast 22, featuring Amy McCormack; interview by Jordan Abshire. Long-time NALSC Member walks down memory lane, including the creation of NALSC's first newsletter, faxing resumes, and signing up to be one of Bullhorn's first customers. Amy also drops a lot of recruiting wisdom, including the 3 components of our profession that a recruiter needs to embrace to be successful: educating, counseling and selling.
2025-06-0919 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 21: Caren Ulrich stacyPodcast 21, featuring Caren Ulrich Stacy; interview by Jordan Abshire. Diversity Lab's Caren Ulrich Stacy talks about her early career in legal recruiting and professional development. Caren also discusses Moneyball for lawyers and insights revealed by data analysis around predictors of success for attorney hires, as well as in-group/out-group dynamics in integration. After discussing the genesis of the OnRamp Fellowship, Caren previews what she will cover during her NALSC Presents session on April 23rd.
2025-04-0927 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 20: Michael Elkins & Amy MallowPodcast 20, featuring upcoming Conference Speakers Michael Elkins & Amy Mallow; interview by Jordan Abshire. Michael is a veteran labor employment and sports law attorney who will be part of a panel addressing AI and remote working pitfalls for recruiters. In addition to previewing the panel, Michael shares a number of invaluable tips around branding and social media. Amy has held a wide variety of positions in the legal services space and will be presenting in Miami on career paths for recruiters from someone who has done it all. In our conversation, you will be exposed to a wide range of car...
2025-02-1125 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 19: Sterling MillerNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 19, featuring upcoming Conference Keynote Sterling Miller; interview by Jordan Abshire.
2025-01-1119 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 18: Joe AnkusNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 18, featuring Joe Ankus on mental health; interview by Jordan Abshire.
2024-12-0919 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 17: Connie Rinaldi, Stephanie Ankus, Valerie FontaineNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 17, featuring Board Member Connie Rinaldi and NALSC HQ (Stephanie Ankus, Valerie Fontaine); interview by Jordan Abshire.
2024-11-2535 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 16: Jennifer Gillman and Trevon JeniferNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 16, featuring Jennifer Gillman and Trevon Jenifer; interview by Jordan Abshire.
2024-10-2438 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 15: Nikia Gray and Kendall LoweryNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 15: Featuring Fall Symposium Speakers Nikia Gray and Kendall Lowery; interview by Jordan Abshire
2024-08-2931 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 14: Mey Ly Ortiz and Esther AlpertNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 14: Featuring Fall Symposium Speaker Mey Ly Ortiz and new NALSC Board Member Esther Alpert; interview by Jordan Abshire
2024-07-2136 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 13: Kevin Bacon & Hilary GerzhoyNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 13: Featuring new NALSC Board Member Kevin Bacon and Fall Symposium Speaker Hilary Gerzhoy; interview by Jordan Abshire
2024-06-1234 min
Recruiter StoriesNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 12: Stuart TenhoorNALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 12: Featuring new NALSC Board Member Stuart Tenhoor; interview by Jordan Abshire
2024-05-1621 min
Recruiter StoriesEpisode 11: Interview with 2024 NALSC Conference Panel Facilitator Chuck Curtis, with Jordan Abshire and Scott LoveIn this episode, your NALSC Podcast co-hosts Jordan Abshire and Scott Love interview Chuck Curtis, discussing key issues related to client development.
2024-02-0715 min
Recruiter StoriesEpisode 10: Interviews with NALSC 2024 Annual Conference speakers Rob Mosley and Alex SuIn this episode, tune in to learn some of the ideas and talking points that two of our speakers will be sharing with us during our annual conference in San Diego at the Pendry, Feb 29 to March 2nd. https://www.nalsc.org/2024-annual-conference/ Opening Session: "The Four Great Truths" Opening speaker: Rob Mosley - Managing Partner of Learning & Development at Next Level Exchange. In a highly interactive session filled with practical takeaways, we will learn where 'what is smart' meets 'what is right' in our industry. Exercises and tailored worksheets will cover Awareness, Behavior, Diag...
2023-12-1819 min
Recruiter StoriesEpisode 9: Scott Love interviews new board member Melissa Peters, and fall symposium speaker Zach WarrenIn this episode, we introduce our new board member Melissa Peters, and also have a conversation with one of our fall symposium presenters, Zach Warren. https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissapetersesq/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/zach-warren-19403371/ https://www.nalsc.org/2023-fall-symposium/
2023-10-1416 min
Recruiter StoriesEpisode 8: Ethel Badawi, new board member; Conference Sneak Peek with Chris DesantisIn this episode, we introduce our new board member Ethel Badawi, and also have a conversation with our fall symposium keynote speaker Chris Desantis. https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethelbadawi/ https://cpdesantis.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/cpdesantis/ https://www.nalsc.org/2023-fall-symposium/
2023-08-3118 min
The Future Is Bright PodcastEp #23 Why Law Partners Leave with Dan Binstock"According to Dan Binstock, successful partnerships rely on key factors such as people, practice, compensation, and confidence." Join Chris Batz and Dan Binstock, a partner at Garrison & Sisson in Washington, DC, as they discuss the reasons why law partners decide to leave their current law firms. Dan outlines the top four reasons behind partner transitions, including concerns about firm leadership, inadequate practice support, compensation and profitability issues, and a lack of confidence in the current firm. Chris and Dan provide an in-depth analysis of each of these factors, offering valuable insights for partners who are contemplating a...
2023-08-2257 minThe Future Is Bright PodcastEp #23 Why Law Partners Leave with Dan Binstock"According to Dan Binstock, successful partnerships rely on key factors such as people, practice, compensation, and confidence." Join Chris Batz and Dan Binstock, a partner at Garrison & Sisson in Washington, DC, as they discuss the reasons why law partners decide to leave their current law firms. Dan outlines the top four reasons behind partner transitions, including concerns about firm leadership, inadequate practice support, compensation and profitability issues, and a lack of confidence in the current firm. Chris and Dan provide an in-depth analysis of each of these factors, offering valuable insights for partners who are contemplating a...
2023-08-2257 min
Chambers Associate PodcastA solution to the dreaded LPQ? Introducing the U-LPQ with NALSC president Mitch Satalof and Nixon Peabody partner Tina SolisThere are many bugbears that come with making a career move. Close to the top of the list is the sheer amount of time spent mulling over applications and filling out forms. Law firm partners know this more than most. Lateral partner moves, more often than not, involve filling out the dreaded Lateral Partner Questionnaire (LPQ) - a form which differs between firms. Sure, an hour spent filling out one form isn't the end of the world... but times that by five and think about all the billables you're missing out on! Surely there's a simple solution...
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2023-07-1923 min
Recruiter StoriesEpisode 7: Jordan Abshire, new Board member; Tina Solis: When Laterals Move to Other FirmsIn Episode 7 of the NALSC Podcast, we get to hear from Jordan Abshire, a new NALSC board member. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordanabshire/ We also hear from Tina Solis with Nixon Peabody, who shares her insights and suggestions on what lateral attorneys need to know from an ethics perspective when moving to another firm. https://www.linkedin.com/in/tina-solis-39538116/
2023-07-1833 min
Recruiter StoriesEpisode 6: Conference Sneak Peek: Gina Passarella and Susan Lambreth, Interviewed by Scott LoveIn this special episode of Recruiter Stories, you will hear from two of our Spring Conference speakers, talking about their sessions and how they will help you. First, Scott Love interviews Gina Passarella, Editor-in-Chief, Global Legal Brands, with ALM media as she discusses her presentation, "Gina Passarella Looks into her Crystal Ball: Trends on Movement, Economics, and More." And then Scott interviews Susan Lambreth, a founding Principal at LawVision and a management consultant to law firms, as she discusses talking points related to her panel discussion, "A Practice Group Leader's Perspective for Lateral Recruiting". Travis P...
2023-03-1013 min
Recruiter StoriesEpisode 5: Mitch Satalof, Natalie Thorsen Harris, Scott Love, Chris GrahamNatalie Thorsen Harris interviews NALSC President Mitch Satalof. Scott Love interviews NALSC keynote speaker Chris Graham about his topic for our annual conference.
2023-01-3127 min
Recruiter StoriesEpisode 4: Patrick Moya and Gary MilesIn this episode, NALSC President Mitch Satalof interviews board member Patrick Moya; Board member Scott Love interviews Gary Miles to discuss his fall symposium presentation: The Data Behind the Shifting DEI Landscape
2022-09-0829 min
Recruiter StoriesEpisode 3, Kathy Richardson and Jason FeiferMitch Satalof interviews Kathy Richardson. Scott Love interviews fall symposium keynote speaker Jason Feifer.
2022-08-0231 min
Chambers Associate Podcast7 questions every attorney should ask their recruiter, with NALSC board member Valerie FontaineChanging jobs is stressful. Working with a legal recruiter can help, but how can you tell if a recruiter has your best interests at heart? How do you know that they’re steering you to the opportunities that are right for you rather than the ones that are right for them and their business?
Before choosing a recruiter, seasoned recruiter Valerie Fontaine says there are seven questions every attorney should ask to figure out if they have your best interests at heart and can help steer you to the job opportunities that are right for you, rather th...
2022-06-1329 min
Recruiter StoriesEpisode 2, Valerie Fontaine and Dan BinstockIn this Episode, NALSC president Mitch Satalof interviews Valerie Fontaine, and Raphael Franze interviews Dan Binstock on his conference panel "Sensitive Situations".
2022-04-1130 min
Chambers Associate PodcastHow to take charge of your job search, with NALSC president Mitch SatalofPlanning your next career move can be a daunting prospect. To help make the process easier and navigate the beast that is the legal market, many associates will turn to a recruiter. But when should you approach a recruiter? Which ones have your best interests at heart? And how long will the process take? We answer all these questions and more in an interview with Mitch Satalof, seasoned legal recruiter, and president of NALSC (National Association of Legal Search Consultants).
2022-01-2620 min
Recruiter StoriesEpisode 1: Ross Weil, Keith Fall, and Pat GilletteIn our inaugural episode of "Recruiter Stories", NALSC President Mitch Satalof interviews Ross Weil and Keith Fall with Walker Associates in New York City. NALSC Board Member Scott Love interviews Pat Gillette, keynote speaker at the 2022 NALSC Conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. For more information on the National Association of Legal Search Consultants, visit us on the web at www.nalsc.org.
2022-01-1833 min