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Building HVAC Science
EP226 Three Miracles and a Heat Pump: Fixing Retrofit Policy from the Ground Up with Abhi Katamneni & Nate Adams (June 2025)
In this insightful episode, Bill and Eric are joined by Abhi Katamneni from Efficiency Canada and Nate Adams, also known as the House Whisperer, for a wide-ranging conversation on the future of home performance, policy, and how HVAC contractors can play a central role in the electrification and decarbonization of housing. Abhi shares lessons from his ride-alongs with contractors across North America, emphasizing how real-world experience shapes policy that actually works. Nate dives into his shift toward consumer education and the systemic problems he’s observed in program design and incentives. Together, they unpack how well-meaning policies ca...
2025-07-11
57 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
The case FOR always including hybrids - the 9 use cases
We make the case for why hybrids should always be a part of the conversation at the kitchen table - by thinking through 9 different use cases : 3 types of houses (heatpump ready; heatpump + lite shellwork; heatpump + heavy shell work) X 3 types of budgets (high, medium, low)
2025-01-24
50 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S03E02 - The Case Against Hybrids
The case AGAINST hybrids - dual fuel heating systems, eg: heat-pumps+furnace - from the perspective of contractors, homeowners and decarb policy.
2025-01-04
41 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S03E01 - The Case for Hybrids
The case FOR hybrids - dual fuel heating systems, eg: heat-pumps+furnace - from the perspective of contractors, homeowners and decarb policy.
2025-01-04
1h 13
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S2E07: 9 Policies that Work for People Doing the Work
Sick of stop-start incentive programs and 'contractor training' courses? Here are 9 policy ideas that - from the perspective of contractors themselves - can climate policy work for both contractors AND for homeowners.
2024-09-13
52 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S2E06 The Sorting Hat: 3 buckets of homes and homeowners
Is there an easier - and scalable - way to determine if a home and the homeowner are ready for electrification?
2024-09-05
35 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S02E05: Can "free" energy audits help decarbonize homes?
In theory, an energy audit can give homeowners a roadmap for planning home energy retrofits. But how does a "free" energy audit play out at the kitchen-table conversation between homeowners and contractors? We outline a narrow - but perhaps crucial - role that (virtual) energy audits can play in catalyzing consumer awareness and education, leading to better outcomes for both homeowners and contractors
2024-08-16
49 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
(Bonus Episode): Boundary-spanning is hard
Personal reflections on cultivating optimism while working on things that matter to us
2024-07-31
19 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S02E04: An accelerator for residential decarbonizatiom?
Imagine - if you will - a national business accelerator with the mandate and responsibility for scaling residential decarbonization. What would it look like and what would its core activities be?
2024-07-31
52 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S02E03: What the IRA does or doesn't do for home decarb
The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) in the US offers generous incentives for residential electrification. Will it move the needle?
2024-07-31
32 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S02E02: Why rebates and incentives suck
Much policy attention is focused on providing generous (but short-lived) downstream incentive programs for homeowners - which have unintended consequences - shrinking value propositions for homeowners and contractors alike. Is there a better way?
2024-07-31
23 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S02E01: Contractors are expected to perform miracles
HVAC and home performance contractors are expected to perform three miracles - technical, social and financial - to successfully execute residential decarbonization projects. Can policy help them achieve this consistently, comfortably and at scale?
2024-07-31
34 min
Bars, Rhymes & Life
54 - Eminem - Till I Collapse ft Nate Dogg
This week we check out Till I Collapse by Eminem and Nate Dogg. Alan remembers the days of inescapable pop music. Abhi sheds some light on his top 5 rappers.
2022-08-11
34 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
(Bonus Episode): Tacit vs Explicit Knowledge
Bonus episode on the epistemological challenge underpinning this podcast: how and what we know (or not) about what does (or not) work for residential decarbonization, and how do we get better at knowing better? If knowledge is socially constructed - i.e. we infer reality through jointly-constructed understandings of the world, what happens when white and blue collars communities inhabit different worlds? The goal of this podcast is to span the boundaries of white and blue collar worlds to develop a shared understanding of reality, priorities, tools and solutions for decarbonizing homes. To this end, the Boundary S...
2021-09-04
19 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S01E03: The Four Horsemen of the HVAColypse
Four massive selection pressures and existential threats are looming large on the horizon for the HVAC industry, namely: Skills shortage. in part because trades as a career choice is undervalued by many families in a society where disdain for the undereducated is the last acceptable prejudice. Many companies in the HVAC industry struggle with recruiting, retaining and train a generation of talent that can lead the industry into meeting the challenges of today and tomorrow. Commoditization of HVAC, where HVAC is sold on price and not on value or other distinguishing attributes. When the only thing left to d...
2021-09-03
50 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S01E02: The Church of the Kitchen Table
The locus of decarbonizing homes is the relationship between an HVAC contractor and the homeowner. We call this ‘The Church of the Kitchen Table’ Presently, all may not be well at This ‘Church of the Kitchen Table’. For one, the relationship has a lot of friction, because homeowners usually want the cheapest piece of equipment installed as fast as possible. Contractors - knowing this - have built a business model around turning a quick sale using only equipment they are familiar with. And when utility or government incentive programs layer on top of this, they end up simply a...
2021-09-02
45 min
HVAC Boundary Spanners Podcast
S01E01: The 85% Problem
The road to decarbonizing every single home goes through HVAC contractors. In North America, the perfect opportunity to decarbonize a home presents itself roughly once every six seconds when a heating or cooling equipment breaks down at someone's home. However, 85% of home heating and cooling replacements happen under duress. When equipment breaks during the warmest or coldest months of the year, homeowners making large budgetary decisions under duress default to picking the contractor offering the cheapest quote. This sets up a race to the bottom for contractors who are looking to make the fastest sale and the...
2021-09-01
38 min
Cosmic Cuts
IN SCREW WE TRUST VOL 4
Welcome to Volume IV! This is a tribute to Robert Earl Davis, Jr. aka DJ Screw who was born on July 20, 1971. The homie blazed trails by slowing down tracks and chopping them up to fit the the vibe of Houston TX: humid hot days rollin in a slab, blunt lit. These tracks feature DJ Screw himself and a collage of artists from around the world who carry on the 3rd Coast tradition. Curated by @djdelsur Help to Keep the Show Going! Please Make a PayPal donation to www.paypal.me/cosmiccutsmusic artist - track Houston ABC 13 Interview DJ Screw...
2020-07-28
1h 46