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Honoring the JourneyBroadening the Narrative: Honoring the Journey of Nicki PappasToday we welcome my longtime friend, Nicki Pappas, for a deeply personal and vulnerable conversation. Nicki shares her story of growing up in the Southern Baptist church, navigating fundamentalist spaces, and ultimately deconstructing her faith. We also explore themes of spiritual abuse, self-love, embodiment, therapy, and the journey toward authenticity. Nicki opens up about her evolving beliefs, coming out as queer, and the importance of living a life rooted in love rather than fear. The episode is rich with reflections on family, community, boundaries, and the courage it takes to embrace one’s true self. Find out more about Ni...
2025-10-271h 11
Liberation is Lit PodcastHeal Your Story (with Nicki Pappas)In this episode, we speak with author and poet Nicki Pappas. Nicki shares her experiences with spiritual abuse within a cult-like church and her path to deconstruction and self-discovery. Nicki opens up about her writing process, her self-published books, and the importance of slowing down, being grounded, and healing from trauma. The conversation also touches on Nicki's exploration of psilocybin for healing, her current projects, and living authentically. 00:00 Welcome to the Liberation is Lit Podcast00:40 Nicki Pappas: Journey to Storytelling02:50 Leaving the Church and Finding Freedom03:33 Rediscovering Writing and Theater
2025-08-0839 min
So You Think You Can Date10. So You Had a Bad DateIn the tenth (and potentially final) episode of So You Think You Can Date, I talk about bad dates.Resources "8. So You Want to Stop F*cking with F*ckboys" episode“Coming Alive” SubstackComing of Age and Coming Out: Stories of Repressed and Reclaimed Sexual Desire by Nicki Pappas - Available now! With your purchase of a signed copy, you will receive a free download of the “Come Alive” guide in your inbox!Connect with Nicki Pappas Website: nickipappas.com IG: @broadeningthenarrative YouTube: youtube.com/@SoYouThinkYouCan
2025-05-3115 min
So You Think You Can Date9. So You’ve Been Stood UpIn the ninth episode of So You Think You Can Date, I talk about being stood up for a date.Resources “Coming Alive” SubstackComing of Age and Coming Out: Stories of Repressed and Reclaimed Sexual Desire by Nicki Pappas - Pending release June 2025. With your preorder purchase, you will receive a free download of the “Come Alive” guide in your inbox!Connect with Nicki Pappas Website: nickipappas.com IG: @broadeningthenarrative YouTube: youtube.com/@SoYouThinkYouCanDatePodcast
2025-05-2406 min
So You Think You Can Date8. So You Want to Stop F*cking with F*ckboysIn the eighth episode of So You Think You Can Date, I talk about how to stop f*cking with f*ckboys.Resources “Coming Alive” SubstackComing of Age and Coming Out: Stories of Repressed and Reclaimed Sexual Desire by Nicki Pappas - Pending release June 2025. With your preorder purchase, you will receive a free download of the “Come Alive” guide in your inbox!Connect with Nicki Pappas Website: nickipappas.com IG: @broadeningthenarrative YouTube: youtube.com/@SoYouThinkYouCanDatePodcast
2025-05-1712 min
So You Think You Can Date7. So You Want to FlirtIn the seventh episode of So You Think You Can Date, I talk about flirting. More specifically, flirting responsibly for the fun of it.Resources "Uses of the Erotic: The Erotic as Power" by Audre Lorde“Coming Alive” SubstackComing of Age and Coming Out: Stories of Repressed and Reclaimed Sexual Desire by Nicki Pappas - Pending release June 2025. With your preorder purchase, you will receive a free download of the “Come Alive” guide in your inbox!Connect with Nicki Pappas Website: ni...
2025-05-1119 min
So You Think You Can Date6. So They Think You’re IntimidatingIn the sixth episode of So You Think You Can Date, I talk about when the people you are dating or are interested in dating think that you are intimidating.Resources “Coming Alive” SubstackComing of Age and Coming Out: Stories of Repressed and Reclaimed Sexual Desire by Nicki Pappas - Pending release June 2025. With your preorder purchase, you will receive a free download of the “Come Alive” guide in your inbox!Connect with Nicki Pappas Website: nickipappas.com IG: @broadeningthenarrative YouTube: youtube.com/@SoYouThinkYouCanDatePodcast
2025-05-0308 min
So You Think You Can Date5. So You Don’t Want to Date with Marla TavianoIn the fifth episode of So You Think You Can Date, I talk with my dear friend Marla Taviano about *not* dating.Connect with Marla TavianoIG: @marlataviano and @whitegirllearningSubstack: writing wholefartedTwitter: @marlatavianoWebsite: itsmemarla.comBuy Marla's Booksunbelievejadedwholeplease cut up my poemspoem art therapywhat makes you fartResources Codependent No More by Melody BeattieYou...
2025-04-261h 16
So You Think You Can Date4. So You Want to Take a RiskIn the fourth episode of So You Think You Can Date, I talk about taking mindful, healthy, and safe risks from a grounded place.Resources “8 Sentences for Better Understanding” episode of Making Polyamory Work “Coming Alive” SubstackComing of Age and Coming Out: Stories of Repressed and Reclaimed Sexual Desire by Nicki Pappas - Pending release June 2025. With your preorder purchase, you will receive a free download of the “Come Alive” guide in your inbox!Connect with Nicki Pappas Website: nickipappas.com IG: ...
2025-04-1914 min
So You Think You Can Date3. So You Want to Quit Playing GamesIn the third episode of So You Think You Can Date, I talk about games in dating, why I don’t like them, and how we can quit playing them so that we can have healthier and more secure interactions. Resources“Coming Alive” SubstackComing of Age and Coming Out: Stories of Repressed and Reclaimed Sexual Desire by Nicki Pappas - Pending release June 2025. With your preorder purchase, you will receive a free download of the “Come Alive” guide in your inbox!Connect with Nicki Pappas Website: ...
2025-04-1211 min
So You Think You Can Date2. So You Need to Disconnect from a ConnectionIn the second episode of So You Think You Can Date, I talk about when to disconnect from a connection and share a few stories from my own experiences with ending connections. Resources“Coming Alive” SubstackComing of Age and Coming Out: Stories of Repressed and Reclaimed Sexual Desire by Nicki Pappas - Pending release June 2025. With your preorder purchase, you will receive a free download of the “Come Alive” guide in your inbox!Connect with Nicki Pappas Website: nickipappas.com IG: @broadeningthenarrative YouTube: youtube.com/@SoYouThinkYouCanDatePodcast
2025-04-0516 min
So You Think You Can Date1. So You’re Going on a First DateIn this inaugural episode, we’re going to get ready for a first date. When I say get ready for a first date, I don’t mean that I’m going to give you fashion, makeup, or other beauty tips, though I could and am not discounting those things because your girl loves a cute fit with coordinated accessories and a bold lip. I’m also not going to tell you to share your location with friends, research the person you are meeting, and make sure you’re safe in a public place when meeting a stranger, though you should def...
2025-03-2915 min
You Can’t Get to Heaven in a MiniskirtSex Therapy (feat. The Sexvangelicals)Bonus Episodes on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/heaveninaminiskirtToday we sit down with Julia and Jeremiah from the Sexvangelicals for a little bit of sex therapy. Both Julia and Jeremiah give us their deconstruction testimonies, and we discuss the pitfalls of purity culture and common themes they see in their work as certified sex therapists.Shoutout to Nicki Pappas. You can find information on Broadening the Narrative here: https://www.nickipappas.com/Where to find Julia & Jeremiah:Website: https://www.sexvangelicals.com/...
2024-07-031h 01
JoBeth on the JourneyNicki Pappas | Leaving the Toxic Religion She was Groomed For | As Familiar as FamilyTrigger Warning SAToday's podcast is too powerful for typed words. I panic inside because I can't convey fully: her powerful hearther wisdom & courageher ability to write about her pastWHILE paralleling her early adult stepswho gets to stay protected in an authoritarian systemher husband didn't look like revelation big ego propaganda "jesus"Patriarchy hurts men!what happened when she gave space for lived* black experiencechallenging pastors in leadershipauthoritarian theology (how it's killing us)listening to our bodies...
2024-01-291h 56
SexvangelicalsS3E17: Partnership Building: How to Navigate Deconstruction as a Couple When One Person Starts the Deconstruction Process Earlier, with Nicki and Stephen PappasWe did it! We just released our 100th episode! And we could not have a more fitting episode than with Nicki (@broadeningthenarrative) and Stephen Pappas. Nicki and Stephen answer the question: What happens when one person in a partnership begins the deconstruction process before the other partner? This can be a really intimidating, vulnerable process for a lot of folks, and Nicki and Stephen talk about their process of simultaneously navigating exploration, discovery, hope, grief, and fear of abandonment. We talk about: Function of Dreams Within the Church (3:00): "Last week, we ta...
2023-10-231h 04
SexvangelicalsS3E16: Partnership Building: How Evangelical Communities Limit Your Dreams, with Nicki and Stephen PappasWhat did you want to be when you grew up? In EMPish (Evangelical, Mormon, and Pentecostal) settings, growing up is commonly centered around finding your soulmate, getting married, having kids, and enhancing the church community. Or, as Julia says, "A person's dreams must serve the greater purpose of evangelism." "When we consider gender," she continues, "the complications get worse. Women support the "dreams" of their husbands. Husbands support the "dreams" of the larger church dictated by the pastor and the broader goals of the American Christian church, often supporting white nationalism and other...
2023-10-1558 min
Talking WritingNicki Pappas: Finding Community Among the ExcommunicatedTW's managing editor Neva Talladen speaks with Nicki Pappas, a writer and podcaster whose self-published memoir, As Familiar as Family, delves into the abusive events that led her to leave a church with which she had been intimately involved. Nicki also hosts Broadening the Narrative, a podcast dedicated to exploring themes, ideas, and ways of being that exist outside the white evangelicalism in which she was raised. Neva and Nicki discuss the book, religion, and self-publishing.
2023-04-2440 min
Ink Drinker Literary SocietyIntro to Ink Drinker Literary SocietyGet to know your hosts, Nicki Pappas and Brent Schebler, the origins of this podcast, and what we hope to accomplish.
2023-02-2319 min
Graceful Atheist PodcastNicki Pappas: As Familiar as FamilyContent Warning: Spiritual, physical and sexual abuse. Depression, post-partum depression, infertility and suicidal idealization. Arline guest hosts interviewing author and podcaster, Nicki Pappas. Nicki Pappas is a writer who critiques the evangelical establishment that shaped her. She’s the author of As Familiar as Family: Leaving the Toxic Religion I Was Groomed For. She’s also the host of the Broadening the Narrative podcast where she interviews guests who are broadening the narratives she was taught within white evangelicalism. She has three young children with Stephen Pappas, her steady partner in the chaos since 2010. Through her work, she desires to spar...
2022-12-051h 47
Speaking Up: Surviving Religions and CultsAs Familiar As Family - Nicki Pappas - BONUSNicki Pappas comes back on the show to talk about her memoir, As Familiar As Family. I experienced abuse as love from a young age. In As Familiar as Family, I explore and examine the ways in which I was groomed for unhealthy relationships and toxic religion.Book Description by Nicki Pappas I experienced abuse as love from a young age. In As Familiar as Family, I explore and examine the ways in which I was groomed for unhealthy relationships and toxic religion. This book chronicles my journey to find my voice — and a way...
2022-11-031h 09
Speaking of RacismWalking Toward Healing with Patty TaylorOn this special episode of Speaking of Racism, guest host Patty Taylor sat down with Marla Taviano, Pleasance Silicki, and Nicki Pappas to talk about the power of pilgrimage, healing in community, and how they experienced these things on a Legacy Trip to Montgomery Alabama.
You can find and follow our guests on IG:
Paty Taylor @patricia_a_taylor
Marla Taviano @whitegirllearning
Nicki Pappas @broadeningthenarrative
Pleasance Silicki @pleasanceshamirah
For more info and to book a trip with Legacy Trips, go to: https://www.wetravel.com/u...
2022-10-131h 13
Poema PodcastPoema S8 028 | Nicki Pappas on Broadening the NarrativeNicki Pappas, author and podcaster, joins me today to share her deconstruction story. She shares how her lived experiences and rise of Trump challenged her to leave toxic evangelicalism behind, and begin work on what she calls 'broadening the narrative'.
Nicki talks about the the impact this journey has had on her relationships, her marriage, and her mental health. She shares lessons she's learned on her journey, and the process creating spaces in her own life, and in her creative work, for wider conversations.
She tells us how she is exploring new ways of exploring...
2022-07-1151 min
When We SpeakGuest: Nicki PappasToday's conversation is with my friend Nicki Pappas and we are discussing her forthcoming memoir, As Familiar As Family. We also discuss her experiences with spiritual trauma and other traumas, deconstructing her faith, what it means to have an embodied faith.
2022-06-2243 min
Speaking Up: Surviving Religions and CultsBurn the Patriarchy - Nicki Pappas - S1E2Nicki Pappas is an emerging writer currently working on her first memoir, As Familiar As Family. In the book, she talks about how she was groomed for toxic religion and how she escaped. In August of 2020, she started the “Broadening the Narrative” podcast where she talks with people who are broadening narrow narratives she learned in evangelicalism. She experienced many kinds of abuse growing up and was spiritually abused at her church. Let’s welcome Nicki. - CONNECT WITH NICKI - Instagram (https://instagram.com/broadeningthenarrative?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) - Blog (http://broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com/2018/01/why-should-we-broaden-narrative.html?m=1) Tik To...
2022-05-021h 19
PLEASANCE#192 Legacy Trip Series: Nicki PappasIn this Legacy Trip Series Episode, Nicki Pappas shares her reflections and integrations on the trip to Alabama we shared in December 2021.
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2022-02-1148 min
Broadening the NarrativeCreating Anti-oppressive Structures with Tommy AllgoodIn this episode, I talked with Tommy Allgood. Tommy is a registered nurse, a life, wellness, and spiritual coach, and an organizational consultant. We discussed how Tommy is helping create anti-oppressive structures.Connect with Tommy Allgood:Website teamallgood.com or tommyallgood.comIG @tommyallgoodrnTwitter @TommyAllgoodPermission To BE podcastResources Mentioned:In Class with Carr YouTube videosThe Color of Compromise by Jemar TisbyNowThis video "Theologian Ekemini Uwan On Faith and the Pandemic"
2021-11-231h 31
Broadening the NarrativeHealing Complex Developmental Trauma with Tasha HunterIn this episode, I talked with Tasha Hunter. Tasha is a speaker, host of the When We Speak podcast, a mental health therapist, and an author. We discussed healing from complex developmental trauma and her book What Children Remember. You can buy her book at tashahunterauthor.com/book.Connect with Tasha Hunter:Website tashahunterauthor.comIG @tashahunterlcswWhen We Speak podcastAscension Growth CenterResources Mentioned:"Tasha Hunter" on Her Story SpeaksI Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
2021-11-161h 23
Broadening the NarrativeBad Theology Kills with Kevin GarciaIn this episode, I talked with digital pastor, mystic theologian, creative healer, and Spiritual Re’Formation coach Kevin Garcia about their book Bad Theology Kills. Since coming out as a queer person of faith in 2015, Kevin has become a leading voice in progressive faith circles with a call to revolutionary love, practical spirituality, and a vision to see healing in every body. They believe that by telling our story, we set others free to tell their own. Buy their book at badtheologykills.com.Connect with Kevin Garcia:Website thekevingarcia.comIG...
2021-11-091h 16
Broadening the NarrativeUnderstanding Settler Colonialism Within the US Empire with Charlie Amáyá ScottIn this episode, I talked with Charlie Amáyá Scott about settler colonialism within the US empire. Charlie is the creator of Diné Aesthetics and a Diné scholar born and raised within the Navajo Nation. As a doctoral student, Charlie is intrigued by the intricacies among higher education, settler colonialism, and social media. Their work is informed by a desire for a more just and liberating education that supports and inspires the next generation of Queer, Trans, and Indigenous students. In addition, Charlie reflects, analyzes, and critiques what it means to be a Diné in the 21st century on her pe...
2021-11-0259 min
Broadening the NarrativeQueer History in Asia and Pacific Islands with Sarah NguIn this episode, I talked with writer, speaker, and Church Clarity co-founder Sarah Ngu. Sarah writes and speaks on religion, LGBTQ2 histories, class, and race. We discussed the history of queerness in Asia and Pacific Islands, how Christian colonialism impacted queer affirmation, and what all of this should mean for the Christian church in the present.Connect with Sarah Ngu:Twitter @sarahnguIG @sarahnguFB facebook.com/sarah.nguWebsite sarahngu.comNewsletter sarahngu.substack.comResources Mentioned:
2021-10-261h 01
Broadening the NarrativeJoy and Liberation with Tina StrawnIn this episode, I talked with anti-racism facilitator, racial and social justice advocate, and pleasure activist Tina Strawn about joy and liberation in advocacy and activism. Tina is the Founder of Legacy Trips, which are three-day anti-racism trips visiting the National Memorial for Peace and Justice and the Legacy Museum: From Enslavement to Mass Incarceration in Montgomery, Alabama, and utilizing spiritual practices, such as yoga, as tools to dismantle racism. Tina is also the owner of the Speaking of Racism podcast, which has been downloaded over 350,000 times. The podcast is dedicated to frank, honest, and respectful discussions of racism i...
2021-10-191h 10
Broadening the NarrativeIncluding the “I” in LGBTQIA+ Responsibly with Mx. Anunnaki Ray MarquezIn this episode, I talked with gender and intersex activist & LGBTQIA+ visionary Mx. Anunnaki Ray Marquez. Anunnaki spoke about responsibly including the "I" in LGBTQIA+.Connect with Mx. Anunnaki Ray Marquez:IG @anunnakirayTwitter @anunnakirayFacebook - facebook.com/anunnakirayWebsite - anunnakiray.comRainbow Human Rights Community Facebook GroupResources Mentioned:Intersex and Identity: The Contested Self by Sharon E. PrevesIntersex and Faith documentary“Gender bound” - Judi Herring (TEDxJacksonville)“Liste...
2021-10-121h 11
Broadening the NarrativeMoving Toward Greater Cosmic Wholeness with Emmy KeglerIn this episode, I talked with author and pastor Emmy Kegler about her book One Coin Found. Emmy spoke about her journey with loneliness and codependency and how she works with these parts of herself to move toward greater cosmic wholeness.Connect with Emmy Kegler:IG @emmykeglerTwitter @emmykeglerFacebook - facebook.com/emmykeglerWebsite - emmykegler.comResources Mentioned:One Coin Found by Emmy KeglerAll Who Are Weary by Emmy Kegler (available for pre-order)Go...
2021-10-051h 07
Nyhetsveckan med Ingrid&MariaNyhetsveckan 158 – Bombmysteriet, Magda gav med sig, seger för yttrandefrihetenNär bomben i Göteborg smällde i veckan utgick alla från att det handlade om gängkriminella gärningsmän. Men nu jagas en 55-årig man med polska rötter för dådet. Han framstår som en klassisk rättshaverist men det hela är än så länge ett mysterium. I dag pratar Ingrid&Maria också om varför Magdalena Andersson plötsligt tackade ja till att bli ny partiledare för sossarna, vi gläds åt att Britney Spears äntligen är fri från sin pappas förmyndarskap och åt att Ann-Sofie Hermansson än en gång friats för förtal a...
2021-10-011h 27
Broadening the NarrativeThe Bible As Balm for Gender Expansive Christians with Austen HartkeIn this episode, I talked with Austen Hartke. Austen is the author of Transforming: The Bible and the Lives of Transgender Christians, the founder and director of Transmission Ministry Collective, and the creator of one hundred videos for the Transgender and Christian YouTube series. Austen explained how the bible can be a balm for gender expansive Christians. Austen is a returning guest, and you can listen to his episode titled "The Bible and the Lives of Transgender Christians" from season 2 if you haven't already.Connect with Austen Hartke:IG @transmissionministryTwitter @TransmissionMin
2021-09-281h 07
Broadening the NarrativeAbolish the Police with Nandi KayyyIn this episode, I talked with Nandi Kayyy. Nandi is a Southern-born, Queer, non-binary, artist, activist, and podcast host. We discussed the RIOT EP by Nandi Kayyy & The THEY Agenda, abolishing the police, and reimagining public safety. Nandi is a returning guest, and you can listen to their episode titled "All Black Lives Matter" from season 2 if you haven't already.Connect with Nandi Kayyy:IG @nandikayyyTwitter @NandiKayyyFacebook facebook.com/nandikayyyWebsite nandikayyy.comThe RIOT EP nandikayyytheyagenda.bandcamp.com/releasesS...
2021-09-211h 04
Broadening the Narrative#ChurchToo and Domestic Violence with Emily Joy AllisonIn this episode, I talked with yoga teacher, poet, and author Emily Joy Allison. We discussed Emily Joy's book #ChurchToo and how the #ChurchToo movement connects to domestic violence. Order your copy of #ChurchToo wherever you buy your books. Emily Joy is a returning guest, and you can listen to her episode titled "#ChurchToo" from season 2 if you haven't already.Connect with Emily Joy Allison:IG @emilyjoypoetryTwitter @emilyjoypoetryFacebook facebook.com/emilyjoypoetryWebsite emilyjoypoetry.comResources Mentioned:The...
2021-09-141h 19
Broadening the NarrativeBefriending Depression with Sequana Murray***Trigger warning for this episode as it includes references to attempted suicide as well as references to violence against youth and others in the LGBTQ+ community.***In this episode, I talked with hip hop artist and poet Sequana Murray, or Bandy as she is known by her stage name. Sequana wrote "Love Is," the theme song for season 3, so we discussed the lyrics and her writing process. In the second half of our conversation, Sequana shared about her journey with depression and toward whole human health. Sequana was also a guest on the first full episode in...
2021-09-071h 09
Broadening the NarrativePatriarchy is Not God’s Design with Meghan TschanzIn this episode, I talked with podcast host and author Meghan Tschanz about her new book Women Rising. We discussed patriarchy in the Christian church and how patriarchy is not God's design. You can purchase Women Rising through InterVarsity Press or wherever books are sold.Connect with Meghan Tschanz:IG @meghantschanz & @faithandfeminismFacebook facebook.com/meghantschanzwrites & the Faith and Feminism Facebook groupFaith and Feminism podcastWebsite: meghantschanz.comResources Mentioned:Half the Church by Carolyn Custis JamesDo Better by Rachel Ricketts
2021-08-171h 00
Broadening the NarrativePoetic Healing from Epigenetic Trauma with Xat GómezIn this episode, I talked with Xat Gómez. Xat works in community and new media integration. Established by an upbringing of communal power and epigenetic trauma, their work is focused on poetic healing. A Gilman Scholar, they conducted undergraduate research in Santiago de Chile, Rapa Nui, and Patagonia. They seek to visually facilitate pragmatic systems of access and dissemination. Graduating with a BFA and a Minor in Women and Gender studies from USF, they served in ArtistYear, an Americorp program in Philadelphia while learning full stack development at the UPenn’s Pennovation Center. They are a part of the...
2021-05-251h 18
Broadening the NarrativeUsing the Enneagram to Live from Your Essence & Not Your Ego with Milton StewartIn this episode, I talked with Certified Enneagram and Career Coach Milton Stewart. Milton is also the host of the Do It For The Gram podcast. We discussed using the Enneagram to live from your essence and not your ego. Connect with Milton Stewart:IG @doitforthegrampodcastDo It For The Gram: An Enneagram PodcastWebsite: kaizencareers.comResources Mentioned:Do It For The Gram "100th Episode Celebration!"The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der KolkD...
2021-05-181h 14
Broadening the NarrativeRaise Your Voice with Kathy KhangIn this episode, I talked with writer, speaker, and yoga teacher Kathy Khang. We discussed Kathy's book Raise Your Voice: Why We Stay Silent and How to Speak Up.Connect with Kathy Khang:IG @mskathykhangTwitter @mskathykhangWebsite kathykhang.comThe Fascinating PodcastChasing Justice podcastResources Mentioned:"Body Language with Kathy Khang" on HER with Amena BrownThey Were Her Property by Stephanie Jones-Rogers"Letter from a Birmingham Jail" by Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
2021-05-111h 08
Broadening the NarrativeExamining the Bible We Have with David CadyIn this episode, I talked with David Cady. David pastors a church in Hawaii called The Well. We discussed what the bible is and ways to engage with it.Connect with The Well:Website - thewellhawaii.orgIG - @thewellhawaiiResources Mentioned:Inspired by Rachel Held EvansThe music from this episode is "Humming Fools" by Micah Bournes. I want to thank Jordan Lukens for his help with editing and Danielle Bolin for creating the episode graphic. If...
2021-05-041h 28
Broadening the NarrativeThe Bible and the Lives of Transgender Christians with Austen HartkeIn this episode, I talked with Austen Hartke. Austen is the author of Transforming: The Bible and the Lives of Transgender Christians, the founder and director of Transmission Ministry Collective, and the creator of one hundred videos for the Transgender and Christian YouTube series. In addition to discussing Austen’s book, we also talked about current anti-transgender legislation and how to oppose these bills.Connect with Austen Hartke:IG @transmissionministryTwitter @TransmissionMinFacebook @transmissionministryWebsites austenhartke.com & transmissionministry.comYouTube Channel AustenLionheartRe...
2021-04-271h 03
Broadening the NarrativeWhen Your Christian Theology Is Considered Heretical with Jordan LukensIn this episode, I talked with Jordan Lukens. Jordan and I met almost 10 years ago because he was the worship leader at the church where I was a member. We discussed various doctrines we once believed that were taught to us within evangelicalism, what we are theologically exploring now, and how it feels to lose your community when you're considered apostate. Resources Mentioned:"#ChurchToo with Emily Joy Allison" on Broadening the NarrativeThe Naked PastorWhat If Project podcast"Christian Nationalism: Diagnosis & Treatment" on You Have Per...
2021-04-202h 11
Broadening the NarrativeAll Black Lives Matter with Nandi KayyyIn this episode, I talked with Nandi Kayyy. Nandi Kayyy is a Southern-born, Queer, non-binary, artist, activist, and podcast host with a passion for Black liberation, soul music, and fried chicken. We discussed the necessity of specifying that ALL Black lives matter, their podcast Black Friends Dinner, music, and activism.Connect with Nandi Kayyy:IG @nandikayyyTwitter @NandiKayyyFacebook facebook.com/nandikayyyWebsite nandikayyy.comSoundCloud soundcloud.com/nandikayyyBandcamp bandcamp.com/nandikayyyBlack Friends Dinner podcastResources M...
2021-04-131h 06
Broadening the NarrativePastoring in a Pandemic with Reverend Melanie Vaughn-WestIn this episode, I talked with the Reverend Melanie Vaughn-West. Melanie serves as one of the two pastors at Oakhurst Baptist Church. We discussed Melanie’s journey toward ordination, how the pastoral team at Oakhurst dismantles hierarchy, and the creativity that has helped church members be included virtually.Resources Mentioned:Walking with the Wind: A Memoir of the Movement by John Lewis and Michael D'OrsoThe Characteristics of White Supremacy CultureThe music from this episode is "More Love" by Bandy. I want to thank Jordan Lukens for hi...
2021-04-061h 22
Broadening the Narrative#ChurchToo with Emily Joy AllisonIn this episode, I talked with yoga teacher, poet, and author Emily Joy Allison. We discussed Emily Joy's new book #ChurchToo: How Purity Culture Upholds Abuse and How to Find Healing. Order your copy of #ChurchToo wherever you buy your books.Connect with Emily Joy Allison:IG @emilyjoypoetryTwitter @emilyjoypoetryFacebook facebook.com/emilyjoypoetryWebsite emilyjoypoetry.comResources Mentioned:#ChurchTooBook Launch Part 2 on IGTVBroadening the Narrative: "Trusting Your Body with Danielle Stocker"Jo Luehmann Twitter threadDear Sister...
2021-03-231h 26
Broadening the NarrativeReframing Missions with Mekdes HaddisIn this episode, I talked with African missiologist Mekdes Haddis. Mekdes is also the Founder and Executive Coach at Just Missions, and she has a forthcoming book with InterVarsity Press. We discussed reframing missions.Connect with Mekdes Haddis:IG @mekdeshaddisTwitter @MekdesHaddisWebsite mekdeshaddis.com [sign up for Mekdes’s newsletter and to download “5 Questions to Ask Yourself Before Going on a Missions Trip.”]Just Missions Facebook Group facebook.com/groups/justmissionsResources Mentioned:Interview with Sharon Amunga on the Just Missions Facebook page "The...
2021-03-161h 13
Broadening the NarrativeNavigating Seminary as a Woman with Kari HeltonIn this episode, I talked with my friend Kari Helton. Kari shared about her experiences as a woman at two different seminaries.Resources Mentioned:Broadening the Narrative - “Part 1: Singleness in the Church with Christine Allen, Danielle Bolin, Ruth Fujino, and Kari Helton”Broadening the Narrative - "Part 2: Singleness in the Church with Christine Allen, Danielle Bolin, Ruth Fujino, and Kari Helton"Jesus Feminist by Sarah BesseyThe Liberating Truth by Danielle StricklandThe music from this episode is “More Love” by Bandy. I want to thank Jordan...
2021-03-091h 20
Broadening the NarrativeDeconstruction After Liberty University with Danielle BolinIn this episode, I talked with one of my dearest friends Danielle Bolin. Danielle shared about her faith deconstruction journey post Liberty University.Resources Mentioned:Broadening the Narrative - “Part 1: Singleness in the Church with Christine Allen, Danielle Bolin, Ruth Fujino, and Kari Helton”The Color of Compromise by Jemar Tisby“The Real Origins of the Religious Right” by Randall BalmerJesus and John Wayne by Kristin Kobes Du Mez“Liberty University Brings Back Its Students, and Coronavirus Fears, Too” by Elizabeth WilliamsonKyle Howard tweet
2021-03-021h 03
Broadening the NarrativeIf Your Church Isn't Repenting of White Supremacy with Lettie ShumateIn this episode, I talked with historian, antiracism educator, and podcast host Lettie Shumate. Lettie has a master’s degree in history and a master’s degree in conflict management and resolution. Lettie explained how we got to where we are today in white and “multiethnic” churches with Christian leaders not denouncing and repenting of white supremacy and ways these churches can even cultivate a culture where white supremacy thrives. You can also listen to Lettie's episode from season 1, "The Importance of History," if you haven't. Follow Lettie and join her Patreon community.Connect with Lettie Shumate:IG...
2021-02-231h 09
Broadening the NarrativeThe Church and Sex with Megan Wooding[TW: There is reference to sexual violence.]In this episode, I talked with author Megan Wooding. We discussed her book Dear Sister, and Megan read an excerpt. She also shared about purity culture, modesty, patriarchy, and why sexual education is important.Connect with Megan Wooding:IG @mwooding Facebook facebook.com/MEWoodingWebsite meganwooding.com Resources Mentioned:Dear Sister by Megan WoodingThe Beauty Myth by Naomi WolfBeauty Sick by Renee EngelnThe Forgotten Desert Mothers by Laura SwanPaul and Gender by Cynthia Long WestfallThey Were Her Property by Stephanie Jones-RogersAin’t I a Woman: Black Women and Feminism by bell hooks“God Cares About...
2021-02-161h 15
Broadening the NarrativeThe Necessity of Reparations with Sequana MurrayIn this episode, I talked with hip hop artist and poet Sequana Murray, or Bandy as she is known by her stage name. We discussed the realities of poverty and the necessity of reparations. Sequana was a guest on the first full episode in season 1, "Intersection of Multiple Identities," so in this episode for season 2, she shared about what’s happened in her life since we recorded in July 2020.Connect with Bandy:IG @bandythenomad and @vizionandflowTwitter @MurraySequana Bandcamp bandy17.bandcamp.com/Kickstarter for Bandy's Notebook Album EPV...
2021-02-091h 15
Broadening the NarrativeEmbracing Your Multiethnic Identity with Chandra CraneIn this episode, I talked with author, speaker, multiethnic specialist, and podcast host Chandra Crane. Chandra shared about her journey toward embracing the fullness of her multiethnic identity in the multiethnic Christ. We discussed her new book Mixed Blessing: Embracing the Fullness of Your Multiethnic Identity and the Christian church. Chandra also read an excerpt from Mixed Blessing. You can visit ivpress.com/mixed-blessing and use the code EVN40 to get 40% off and free shipping.Connect with Chandra Crane:Twitter @ChandraLCraneIG @chandralcraneLinktree linktr.ee/chandracrane/Website chandracrane...
2021-02-021h 16
Broadening the NarrativeMy Experience with Spiritual Abuse at Remedy Church with Nicki PappasIn this episode, I shared about my experience with spiritual abuse at Remedy Church. From the beginning of the church until January 2019, I was part of Remedy Church, a church plant that officially launched in January 2009. Remedy is part of the Acts 29 Network and is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention.“My Story of Spiritual Abuse at Renovation Church in Atlanta” by Judy Wu DominickBoundaries for Your Soul by Dr. Alison Cook and Kimberly MillerThe Art of Memoir by Mary Karr“Let’s Put an End to the Rumors: Why I’m Not in Church” by Nicki Pappas"Healing from Church Hurt...
2021-01-051h 17
Broadening the NarrativeNightmares, Daydreams, and Prophecies with Micah Bournes[TW: There is reference to sexual assault 56 minutes into the episode.]In this bonus episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with Long Beach poet, rapper, singer/songwriter, and author Micah Bournes. We discussed Micah’s new book Here Comes This Dreamer. Micah answered all my questions about his book, including why it is arranged in three sections. He also read his poem “Lament for Mother Tubman,” and it was a powerful experience. Order Here Comes This Dreamer for yourself or purchase a copy as a gift for someone in your life.Micah’s Patreon: patreon...
2020-12-081h 14
Broadening the NarrativeTrusting Your Body with Danielle StockerIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with my lovely friend Danielle Stocker. We discussed trusting your body. Danielle shared about her journey toward seeing her body as a source of good and honest truths, the benefits of the internal family systems model of therapy, and why she believes this is important for everyone. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any recommended resources. Then, you can share with people who know and love you, and little by...
2020-11-2458 min
Broadening the NarrativeCultivating a Community Garden with Greg SingletonIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with my friend Greg Singleton about the community garden he has cultivated. Greg shared about his vision for the garden and the community as well as the benefits, challenges, and celebrations. I enjoyed our conversations, and I know you will, too. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any recommended resources. Then, you can share with people who know and love you, and little by little, person by person, we can...
2020-11-1752 min
Broadening the NarrativeHealing from Church Hurt with Jordan LukensIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with Jordan Lukens to discuss healing from church hurt. Jordan was a worship leader in an evangelical church. He shared about his ongoing healing, his journey through deconstruction, and his desire to reconstruct a faith that loves people as they want to be loved. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any recommended resources. Then, you can share with people who know and love you, and little by little, person by...
2020-11-101h 12
Broadening the NarrativeProtesting and Organizing with Kayla TolbertIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with Kayla Tolbert. We discussed Kayla’s experiences with protesting in our hometown and organizing a protest after the murder of George Floyd. Kayla also addressed why white parents need to be having antiracism conversations with their kids, the importance of intersectionality, and how she takes care of herself as a Black woman. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any recommended resources. Then, you can share with people who know an...
2020-11-031h 05
Broadening the NarrativeQuestioning Racial Identity with Ruth FujinoIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with my dear friend of a decade Ruth Fujino. We discussed Ruth’s ongoing journey in questioning her racial identity and what it means for her. She talked about the model minority myth, microaggressions, tokenism, dismantling white supremacy, and resisting anti-Blackness. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any recommended resources. Then, you can share with people who know and love you, and little by little, person by person, we can br...
2020-10-271h 00
Broadening the NarrativeBringing People Together Through Art with Dennissa YoungIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with Dennissa Young about the art she creates and bringing people together through art. Dennissa is a newly Chicago-based Spanish and Native-American video performance and relational artist. With projects focusing on activism, organizing, and collaborating, she has exhibited all across the US and internationally. She shared about her depression, the evolution of her art, and how she desires to foster gentleness, radical empathy, and softness through her work. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and...
2020-10-201h 09
Broadening the NarrativeBecoming Boundaried with Kate JacoIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with my best friend Kate Jaco. We discussed becoming boundaried and shared about our journeys toward developing boundaries alongside one another. Kate is an Enneagram 9, one of the most generous people I know, and a delightful human being. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any recommended resources. Then, you can share with people who know and love you, and little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative.
2020-10-131h 03
Broadening the NarrativeValuing the Voices of Children and Youth with Joshua PappasIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I shared reasons why we must value the voices of children and youth. When the voices of children and youth are valued, particularly those of marginalized children and youth, we can implement their ideas to usher in a world of peace, equity, and true justice. The guest I spoke with was my five-year-old Joshua Pappas. He offered advice, we talked about feelings, and he sang a few songs. It was such a special conversation for me. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the...
2020-10-0624 min
Broadening the NarrativePoetry in a Pandemic with Cameron BellmIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with the lovely Cameron Bellm. As you can see in her IG profile, Cameron is a writer of prayers, academic turned contemplative, and Seattle mom and maker. She has a Ph.D. in Russian literature from UC Berkeley. Her favorite things are justice, libraries, and her Catholic faith. You can purchase her ebook A Consoling Embrace: Prayers for a Time of Pandemic for $2.95 and be encouraged and challenged to live out a love for our most vulnerable neighbors during these uncertain days. I hope that if you know and love...
2020-09-2954 min
Broadening the NarrativeEarly Childhood Education with Vania LoveIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with my friend Vania Love. Vania is the owner of Journey 5:11 Academy, a preschool she founded in January 2019. We discussed the narrative surrounding early childhood education in this country, Vania’s vision for Journey 5:11, and tips for parents and caregivers to engage toddlers during these COVID-19 days. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any recommended resources. Then, you can share with people who know and love you, and little by li...
2020-09-2251 min
Broadening the NarrativeIt All Comes Down to Love with Donna PowellIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with one of the most amazing people I know, Donna Powell. Ms. Donna shared about her journey through suffering in various ways as well as how she now differently understands that everything comes down to love. Make sure you listen to hear the stories behind each of her 8 tattoos and visit the Broadening the Narrative blog to see images of Ms. Donna's tattoos. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any...
2020-09-1540 min
Broadening the NarrativeThe Importance of History with Lettie ShumateIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with historian, antiracism educator, and podcast host Lettie Shumate. Lettie has a master’s degree in history and a master’s degree in conflict management and resolution. We discussed Lettie’s journey toward loving history, her passion for connecting the dots, and why history is important. Follow Lettie on IG (@sincerely.lettie) and on Facebook (facebook.com/sincerelylettie). Join her Patreon community by visiting patreon.com/lettieshumate to support her work. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media...
2020-09-081h 16
Broadening the NarrativeLife as an Artist with Marquis LoveIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with my friend Marquis Love about the art he creates and his vision for the Grave Robbers community. Stick around until the very end of the episode to hear Marquis perform his poem “American Misery.” Follow @beagraverobber, support the artists who are a part of the community, donate to the artist fund each month, and participate in the Open Mic nights. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any recommended resources. Then...
2020-09-0158 min
Broadening the NarrativePart 2: Singleness in the Church with Christine Allen, Danielle Bolin, Ruth Fujino, and Kari HeltonIn part 2 of this episode of Broadening the Narrative, four of my dear friends, Christine Allen, Danielle Bolin, Ruth Fujino, and Kari Helton, share their experiences in the evangelical Church as single women. They discuss complementarian theology, identify what they've gained from their singleness, and give advice on how the Church can better love singles. Kari also reads a beautiful prayer she wrote. The conversation is vulnerable, authentic, and powerful, just like these four women of valor. I want to acknowledge that the women on this call cannot speak for all single people. All four women are cishet, 3 are...
2020-08-2545 min
Broadening the NarrativePart 1: Singleness in the Church with Christine Allen, Danielle Bolin, Ruth Fujino, and Kari HeltonIn part 1 of this episode of Broadening the Narrative, four of my dear friends, Christine Allen, Danielle Bolin, Ruth Fujino, and Kari Helton, share their experiences in the evangelical Church as single women. The conversation is vulnerable, authentic, and powerful, just like these four women of valor. I want to acknowledge that the women on this call cannot speak for all single people. All four women are cishet, 3 are white, and all have never been married. The experiences and perspectives of numerous single people in the evangelical church are missing from this exchange, including but not limited to Black...
2020-08-1848 min
Broadening the NarrativeOur Journey Toward Mutuality with Stephen PappasOn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I am joined by Stephen Pappas, my partner in this life for the past 10 years. We discussed gender roles, what we used to believe, what we believe now, and why this is important. Our journey from defending complementarian theology to embracing egalitarianism has brought us closer and is impacting the way we live. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any recommended resources. Then, you can share with people who know and love...
2020-08-1146 min
Broadening the NarrativeIntro Episode for Season 1 of Broadening the NarrativeThis is the very first episode of the Broadening the Narrative podcast, a podcast where I will talk to some of my favorite people who have broadened the narrative for me. In this episode, I share how my journey began in broadening the narrative I had been taught regarding race. From there, the narratives I had been taught concerning gender, politics, sexuality, mental health, and religion were broadened. Numerous people have broadened the narrative for me, and I am asking many of them to come onto the podcast. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage...
2020-08-0414 min
Broadening the NarrativeIntersection of Multiple Identities with Sequana MurrayIn this episode of Broadening the Narrative, I talked with my friend Sequana Murray, or Bandy as she is known by her stage name. Sequana is a Black woman who is low-income, Queer, and a single mother. We discussed what her experience has been like in the church living at the intersections of multiple marginalized identities. A clip from Bandy's song "Confessions" closes out the conversation. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any recommended resources. Then, you can share...
2020-08-0431 minBroadening the NarrativeBroadening the Narrative Season 1 TrailerIn Season 1 of the Broadening the Narrative podcast, I will talk to some of my favorite people who have broadened the narrative for me. I hope that if you know and love me you can engage with the Broadening the Narrative blog, social media accounts, and podcast, as well as any recommended resources. Then, you can share with people who know and love you, and little by little, person by person, we can broaden the narrative. Broadening the Narrative blog - broadeningthenarrative.blogspot.com Broadening the Narrative on IG @broadeningthenarrative Broadening the Narrative on Twitter @broadnarrative Please subscribe and review the...
2020-07-1100 min