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Global AI training wars, Suno makes us forget, and Kesha crushes with Kruchkow.
Zuck DGAF: It Rhymes! Names In Today's Pod: Dan Kruchkow Crush Management Suno Rob Wells Orfium McKenzie Cummings Grady Josh Hawley Mark Zukerberg Meta Ashley King Daniel Tencer Tyler The Creator Kesha #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: Tyler Tracks Speed ranked https://www.billboard.com/lists/tyler-the-creators-dont-tap-the-glass-tracks-ranked/ Dan Kruchkow Exec of the Week https://www.billboard.com/pro/kesha-period-independent-debut-chart-topping-how/ Suno moves closer to a DAW, but still... https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/07/18/suno-v4-5-launch/ Hawley gets one right https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/07/17/josh-hawley-ai-companies-comments-senate-hearing/ Zuck DGAF https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/meta-rejects-eus-ai-code-of-practice-even-as-ai-giants-anthropic-and-openai-say-they-will-sign-on/ Orfium Gets an EU grant to detect AI training data https://www...
2025-07-22
06 min
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Hip Hop is not dead, no TACOs in Canada, and a couple of summer school assignments.
Kudos to Outpost partners for a succinct look at the Music Tech investment landscape. Names in Today's Pod: Andreas Lauer Outpost Partners Keith Caulfield Larry Miller Taiana Cirisano Musonomics Midia Research Paul Sipio Apollo Global Management Roblox Record Store Day TikTok Blackstone Ashley King Music Tectonics Jesse Buddington Createbase LINKS: Outpost Partners explains Music Tech Investment https://outpost.partners/music_tech_report_2025/ Musonomics With Tatina Cirisano and Paul Sipio https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/07/16/roblox-licensing-platform-launch/ No TACOs in Canada https://www.billboard.com/pro/tiktok-canada-shutdown-ceo-meeting-minister-of-industry/ https://ca.billboard.com/business/streaming/tiktok-canada-shutdown-july-2025 Roblox launches licensing platform, but not for music https://vari...
2025-07-21
08 min
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Omelets imply broken eggs, big, bigger, biggest in New York, and it's good to be Bruno Mars.
Thinking of Making Unlimited Supply Bingo Cards... Names In Today's Pod: Jamie Marconette Luminate Nabil Ayers Victor Zaraya Richard Burgess Glen Barros A2IM Tim Leiweke Oak View Partners #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: A2IM's new Board https://news.a2im.org/news/a2im-announces-2025-26-board-of-directors? Luminate Midyear Report https://luminatedata.com/reports/midyear-music-industry-report-2025 Tim Leiweke https://musically.com/2025/07/11/ex-oak-view-group-ceos-spokesperson-says-he-has-done-nothing-wrong/ https://www.billboard.com/pro/tim-leiweke-indictment-ovg-ceo-charges-asm-legends-merger/ Music Services Https://Musicservices.com Hangout.FM Hangout.fm Seated https://www.seated.com/ Copyright © 2025 Nodisc LLC
2025-07-17
08 min
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Prosthetic Vocals, you CAN spell layoffs with AI, and Billy Mann Sends a love letter
L-AI-o-f-f-s ahead? Names In Today's Pod: Billy Mann LyricFind Musixmatch TPG Daniel Tencer Thania Garcia Warner Music Hybe Alan Cross Electric Stage Soundcloud Eliah Seton Dylan Siegler Bravado #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: Billy Mann's Love Letter https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dont-waste-meeting-love-letter-warning-aspiring-music-billy-mann-7jqie/? LyricFind Ups the Ante https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/lyricfind-files-opposition-to-musixmatch-motion-to-dismiss-antitrust-lawsuit/ BPI asks for AI Tags https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/07/14/spotify-ai-tags-call-july-2025/ Warner Chappell Hiring an AI ops head https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/warner-music-group-hiring-a-director-of-ai-automation-growth/ Hybe GIves an artist and AI vocal Prosthesis https://musically.com/2025/07/11/k-pop-act-big-ocean-jj-used-supertone-ai-voice-tech-for-new-single/ Soundcloud Makes Vinyl easy for creatives https://variety.com/2025/music/news/soundcloud-elasticstage-artists-create-sell-make-vinyl-1236451428/ Bravado Recycles T-S...
2025-07-15
08 min
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Media's Transitional Phase, Suno Gets One Right, and Remember the TikTok Ban?
We are back! Today's pod left me literally breathless. Names In Today's Pod: Julia Alexander Paul Sinclair Suno Howie Singer Marc Schneider TikTok Capcut Ashley King #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: A transitional moment in media https://puck.news/how-ai-powered-search-will-transform-publishing/ Suno Gets Their Man https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/07/07/suno-appoints-chief-music-officer/ M2 Signaling A TikTok resolution https://www.billboard.com/pro/tiktok-ban-bytedance-us-app-version/ Capcut too https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/07/07/us-version-of-capcut-in-the-works/ Music Services Https://Musicservices.com Hangout.FM Hangout.fm Copyright C 2025 Lars Murray
2025-07-09
06 min
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Day to day -- upper body injury
Gonna be another day or two before we return.
2025-07-08
00 min
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Two kinds of cyclists, half a rack of broken ribs, and I may miss a few days.
No links today!
2025-07-07
02 min
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A new twist on holiday layoffs. Here's your COVID support --psych! and a Thursday/Friday mashup.
Layoffs -- just in time to ruin the holiday! Names in the pod today: Warner Music Group Robert Kyncl Bain Capital Elias Leight Ashley King Oliver Schusser Gideon Gottfried The Small Business Administration #musicindustry #podcast LINKS: Warner Layoffs. Ugh. https://www.billboard.com/pro/warner-music-group-layoffs-cutting-costs-300-million/ https://news.pollstar.com/2025/07/02/uk-music-report-music-tourist-spend-reaches-record-13bn-in-2024/ Apple lowkey shades Spotify https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/07/02/apple-music-price-hike-2025/ COVID Help -- Psych! https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/07/02/sba-demands-svog-funds-return/ Seated https://www.seated.com/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Music Services Https://Musicservices.com
2025-07-03
07 min
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Blackburn does the right thing, virals of the summer, and it's not clocking to you that I'm standing on business.
Marsha! Marsha! Marsha! Names in the pod today: Marsha Blackburn Scooter Braun Scott Desjarlais Andy Ogles John Rose Mark E. Green Chris Castle Monica Corton Tom Greene Bang Si-Hyuk Hybe Apple Corps. Chris Willman Links: Blackburn Gets It https://musictechpolicy.com/2025/07/01/senator-cruz-joins-the-states-on-ai-collapse-and-the-moratorium-quietly-slinks-away/ Scooter Scoots https://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/exec-moves/scooter-braun-hybe-america-ceo-2025-07-01 Greene in https://variety.com/2025/music/news/beatles-apple-corps-tom-greene-new-ceo-1236444938/ Justin Bieber has a viral https://www.tiktok.com/search?lang=en&q=clocking%20justin%20bieber&t=1751407457652 Olivia Dean is Having a Moment https://www.tiktok.com/music/Nice-To-Each-Other-7509652418617427985 This week's Viral For the olds https://www.tiktok.com/musi...
2025-07-02
07 min
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Onstage rants, retrofuture dystopia and retrofuture WANT
Is an AI Hank Jr. knockoff actually better than Temu Hank Jr.? Names In Today's Pod: Jessica Nicholson Deerhoof Dylan Smith Tim Ingham Tim Wipperman Maxell Deerhoof Cox Cable Daniel Ek Helsing Edward Lee Marsha Blackburn #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: Deerhoof Vs. Ek https://www.billboard.com/pro/deerhoof-remove-music-spotify-daniel-ek-ai-battle-tech/ What a boob https://www.billboard.com/music/country/gavin-adcock-slams-beyonce-cowboy-carter-concert-rant-1236010705/ Waiting for Congress, so... https://www.billboard.com/pro/supreme-court-music-piracy-liability-1-billion-cox-case/ A list of soon-to-be-moot suits https://www.linkedin.com/posts/edward-lee-18084652_map-of-ai-copyright-lawsuits-in-us-activity-7345475497033613312-4aS0? https://www.linkedin.com/posts/epsteinmike_free-music-tool-i-created-a-free-spotify-activity-7340362518437015552-rFNN? Two pieces on the AI band-pocalypse https://www.digi...
2025-07-01
07 min
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A two week deadline for TikTok, A TikTok deal for RumbleFish and Celines Barrington has an axe to grind
Two weeks fro a TikTok reveal? Hmmmm... Names in Today's Pod Celines Barrington TikTok Bobby Haber Yudu Gray Jr Rumblefish Lauren Apolito Music Services Inc. LINKS: Two Weeks, set a reminder! https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/29/trump-says-we-have-a-buyer-for-tiktok/ RublefishX ByteDance https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/hfas-rumblefish-inks-bytedance-deal-to-provide-music-admin-services-to-tiktok-capcut/ Mondo Vanguard https://www.mondo.nyc/vanguard https://247artists.com/ Celines Barrington has an axe to grind https://www.independencewealthmanagers.com/ RoyFi Https://www.royfi.com Hangout.FM Hangout.fm
2025-06-30
07 min
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DAW Wars, val-bituaries are so 2025, and introducing the song of the week.
DAW Wars, Nothing but DAW wars. And Margo Price has some advice. Names in the pod today: Suno Udio Kristin Robinson Sarah Silverman Daniel Tencer Winston Cho Anthropic Meta Sami Khazi Steven Masur Eliot Resnick Andy Tavel Ed Christman Margo Price LINKS: DAW Wars https://www.billboard.com/pro/suno-acquires-wavtool-a-music-editing-tools/ Fair Use Wars https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/court-shoots-down-sarah-silvermans-case-against-metas-ai-but-declares-using-copyrighted-works-for-training-is-not-fair-use/ https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-7343765211935363072-bIlk? Val-bituaries https://www.billboard.com/pro/brian-wilson-music-catalog-worth-how-much-money-earn-yearly/ https://www.billboard.com/pro/sly-stone-music-catalog-worth-how-much-money-earn-year/ Sami Khazi explains it all https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-7343765211935363072-bIlk? Margo Says "Don't Let the Bastards Get You Down" https://ope...
2025-06-27
08 min
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Tech touring Thursday, Fallaroo? Running an indie venue is hard.
Can you say Humanable? I don't really know how. Little Help? Names in the pod today: Daniel Tencer Anthropic Humanable Randall Foster Tim Whipperlee Kenny Ochoa Splice Avid Bonnaroo J.R. Lind Ariel King Sarah Pittman Katy Bain NIVA Seated #musicindustry #podcast LINKS: Score one for Big AI https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/court-rules-anthropics-use-of-copyrighted-books-to-train-ai-is-fair-use-but-it-may-not-have-much-bearing-on-music-rightsholders-case-against-ai-giant/ Humanable and Symphonic team up https://musicrow.com/2025/06/humanable-partners-with-symphonic-distribution-to-identify-ai-free-music/ Bonnaroo Fallout https://news.pollstar.com/2025/06/23/bonnaroo-opens-survey-on-future-dates-considers-moving-to-fall/ https://news.pollstar.com/2025/06/23/bonnaroo-wont-announce-future-dates-ups-refunds-to-100/ Deep Tropics Sustainability SUmmit https://www.billboard.com/pro/nashville-deep-tropics-festival-sustainability-summit/ Running an Indie Venue is hard https://news.pollstar.com/2025/06/23/nivas-state-of-live-survey-finds-independent-venues-generated-153-1b-in-total-economic-output-across-u-s-in-2024-64-stages-struggling-with-unprofitability/ RoyFi https...
2025-06-26
09 min
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A streaming stall, social "-ifications," and Kesha wins World War III.
World War III may have a winner and it's not who you think. Names in the pod today: Paul Resknikoff Whatsapp Tiktok Spotify Youtube Music Pandora Andrew Hutchinson Miranda Nazzaro Sarah Fischer Links: Streaming Subs Down in USA https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/pro/weekly-streaming-subscriber-q1-2025/ TikTok is the Geopolitical Side order of Onion rings https://www.axios.com/2025/06/24/meanwhile-tiktok-sale-talks-stall-media-trends Dont Be Lobbying on Whatsapp! https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5365017-whatsapp-banned-congressional-staffers/amp/ Facebook Workflow changes https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/facebook-advice-suggests-adding-links-in-comments-not-post-caption/750754/ TikTok-ification at Facebook https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/facebook-renames-all-videos-reels/750973/ More QVC-ification at TikTok https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/tiktok-launches-community-fest-live-stream-creator-showcase/751416/ Black Eyed...
2025-06-25
07 min
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ANT not HAL, Spotify code mining and more fun with Suno
An AI manager never sleeps, but it won't bail you out of jail, either. Names In Today's Pod: Absolute Label Services Suno Udio Spotify Murray Stassen Glenn Peoples Timbaland Tony Justice K-Fresh Bruce Wheeler Dave Lory Worldwide Entertainment Group #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: ANT not HAL https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/absolute-label-services-launches-anthology-business-management-portal-for-independent-sector-featuring-support-from-an-ai-powered-music-executive/ Still waiting for Spotify HD... https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/20/spotify-hifi-june-2025/ https://www.billboard.com/pro/spotify-hifi-audio-delay-pay-off/ Wait, Spotify USED to have this... https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/23/spotify-music-import-tool/ Suno 1: K-Fresh and Timbaland AI Kerfuffle https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/20/k-fresh-attorney-timbaland-suno-open-letter/ Suno 2: Class Action by Tony Justice https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/suno-and-udio-hit-with-class-action-lawsuits-from-independent-artists/ Cong...
2025-06-24
07 min
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Bundlegate's anniversary, one-second lawsuits, and when song parody becomes history.
Hey Bud, get your licenses! Names in Today's Pod Adam Parness Spotify Dylan Smith Marsha Blackburn Melissa Goldberg Rob Stringer FUGA Sam Taylor Jay Gilbert AB/Inbev/Budweiser Paul Sampson Cannes Lions Gogi Gupta Jeremy Holley Firebird Leo 33 Elias Leight Shira Gans Water & Music LINKS: Bundlegate Turns One https://www.billboard.com/pro/spotify-bundling-songwriter-royalties-year-later/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/20/spotify-ftc-investigation-calls/ Rob Stringer: 4D Chess? https://completemusicupdate.com/did-sonys-rob-stringer-just-hand-regulators-the-case-to-tank-universals-downtown-dreams/?ref=cmu-daily-newsletter Jay and Mike on that... https://bio.to/UloQY6 Bud-not-so-weiser https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-7341779596419252226-Uir6? Melissa Lists the Nashville Jobs https://www.linkedin.com/posts/melissagoldberg_the-response-to-my-last-post-about-industry-activity-7341191518558306306-eWI0? Leo33: How...
2025-06-23
07 min
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Another TikTok TACO, Who's the Humongous? and Hybe stock gets a (K)pop.
Mad Max, TACOs, and Birthdays. Names in the pod today: Tatiana Cirisano Andrea Gleason Tom Truitt Midia Research Sonia Chien Jason Hradil ISTA Veronica Sanjines TikTok Hybe Mandy Dalugdug LINKS: TikTok TACO https://www.billboard.com/business/business-news/trump-extends-tiktok-ban-deadline-third-time-1236003393/ Tatiana's Metaphor for the Industry https://www.midiaresearch.com/blog/welcome-to-entertainments-mad-max-era-heres-where-it-leads My Metaphor for the Music Industry https://youtu.be/9y3lt2oWh_0?feature=shared Why Aren't Artists Touring? https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/17/why-artists-arent-touring/ Hybe Stock gets a (K)Pop https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/bts-plan-march-2026-return-report/ ISTA is Great https://www.psychedelicbabymag.com/2024/10/megawatt-by-ista-interview-new-album.html Music Services Https://Musicservices.com Hangout.FM Ha...
2025-06-20
06 min
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Deadlines have different meanings,TikTok is the new QVC, and Ma-Who?
Europe understands the meaning of the word deadline. The US, not so much. Names in the pod today: TikTok FUGA Universal Music Ashley King Tony Tan Google Apple Ashley King Paul Resnikoff Andrew Hutchinson QVC Murray Stassen Snap Inc. Links: Deadlines in the UK https://www.billboard.com/pro/umg-downtown-deal-european-commission-regulatory-review/ Deadlines in the US https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2025/06/17/tiktok-ban-extension-deadline-trump-june-19/84241653007/ TikTok is the New QVC https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/tiktok-says-in-app-shop-sales-up-this-year/750755/ Insta changes https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/instagram-launches-creator-inspiration-campaign-profile-grid-rearrange/750612/ Apparently Audio works on Snapchat https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/snapchat-shares-insights-into-key-connection-trends-brand-approaches/750493/ A South African singer with a Japanese stage name and a g...
2025-06-18
08 min
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The exploitation table, robo-Kardashians, and hip-hop history rhymes.
Every Tuesday seems like AI Tuesday these days... Names In Today's Pod: Dion Wiggins Dario Amodei Whatsapp Universal Music Group Patrick Whitesell The Grammys Mia Sato Emma Roth Ethan Millman Timbaland TikTok Suno Jaeson Ma Wyclef Jean Madeline Nelson #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: Grammy Date: Set Your Calendars https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/grammys-reveal-key-dates-for-2026-awards-1236263547/ UMGXWhitesell https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/umg-and-hollywood-agent-patrick-whitesell-launch-joint-venture-with-backing-from-silver-lake/ Dion Wiggins has a message for us all... https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/big-ai-industrial-complex-most-dangerous-cartel-earth-dion-wiggins-uwf6c?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&utm_campaign=share_via WhatsApp Enshittifies https://www.theverge.com/news/687519/whatsapp-launch-advertising-status-updates AI to disrupt SponCon? ht...
2025-06-17
07 min
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Touching Grass, Touching Water, and Stop Touching it!
r/WellThatSucks is a thing. And Bonnaroo was featured there this weekend. Names in Today's Pod Rob Stringer Sony Music Gregg Stein Dan Rys Murray Stassen Dylan Smith Tuttii Vocana Vinylly Spotify Nabil Ayers Annie Ortmeier Jorge Breu Richard James Burgess Bonnaroo r/Wellthatsucks Harvey Mason LINKS: Rob Stringer's Flex https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/sony-music-spent-2-5bn-across-60-deals-over-the-past-year-and-7-more-things-you-should-know-from-rob-stringers-latest-investor-presentation/ Cancelroo https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/bonnaroo-music-festival-canceled-weather-concerns-refund-1236291026/ r/wellthatsucks is a thing https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/comments/1lb1no4/my_neighbors_campsite_at_bonnaroo/ Stop Touching it, Spotify https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/13/spotify-monthly-listeners-count-removal/ Pitch panel at Indie Week has a...
2025-06-16
06 min
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Bundlegate goes East, a Coke-fueled label, and Merge...merges.
A Coke-Fueled Label? Names in the pod today: Coca Cola David Israelite Oliver Schusser NMPA Spotify Reservoir Media Tencent Music Ximalaya Mac McCaughan Laura Ballance Phil Waldorf Jem Aswad Sam Friske Dave Hanson Nerea Serrano Marc Schneider WIN A2IM Matt Harmon Charles Kirby-Welsh Billy Jones Baby's All Right LINKS: A Coke-Fueled Label https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/11/coca-cola-launches-record-label-with-umg/ Schusser Subtly Shades Spotify https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/apple-music-oliver-schusser-questions-free-music-tiers-1236263357/ BundleGate Costs https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/nmpa-says-spotify-bundling-move-could-cost-music-publishers-3-1bn-through-2032/ But Publishing Grew YOY https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/us-music-publishing-revenue-jumped-13-4-to-7bn-in-2024-outpacing-the-growth-of-rate-of-recorded-music/ Merge Merges https://variety.com/2025/music/news/secretly-merge-records-announce-partnership-1236422584/ ReservoirxA-Trak ht...
2025-06-13
09 min
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A Warped Reminder, "Sunosudio," and just go listen to Pet Sounds.
Names in the pod today: Kevin Lyman Dave Brooks Warped Tour Barry Walters Howie SInger Suno Udio Jonathan Mayers Bonnaroo Vicki Beercock SXSW London Oscar Areliz Matt Harmon Chris Moncada Sanil Chawa Michael McDonald Peter Harvey #musicindustry #podcast LINKS: Just Go listen to Pet Sounds https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/brian-wilson-death-beach-boys-7340676/ A reminder of Warped Ethos https://www.billboard.com/pro/warped-tour-founder-ticket-price-nostalgia-future-plans/ Howie Breaks Down Sunosudio https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/past-prologue-ai-edition-howie-singer-fkihe?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&utm_campaign=share_via Vicki Beercock reviews SXSW London https://www.linkedin.com/posts/vicky-beercock_sxswlondon-culturalrelevance-creativeindustries-activity-7338254068412243969-BwhF? RIP to A Bon...
2025-06-12
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Influencer pop FTW, Threads gains steam, and yup, Linkin Park really is back.
Slingin' Deals, Baby! Names in the pod today: Amanda Petrusich Julia Ress Addison Rae Sony Music Pitchfork The New Yorker Andrew Hutchinson Jeff Laughlin Mark Eckert Hunter Linkin Park Reddit Links: Like it or Not, Linkin Park Still rules https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/s/C1JuwBtBmu How Addison Rae Went from TikTok to the Pop Charts (not really) https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/06/25/how-addison-rae-went-from-tiktok-to-the-pop-charts How Addison Rae Went from TikTok to the Pop Charts (really) https://www.theringer.com/2025/06/10/music/addison-rae-new-album-review-alex-warren Threads Gains on X https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/threads-continues-download-momentum-may-2025/750252/ Music Services Musicservices.com Hangout.fm Https://hango...
2025-06-11
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Elephant parts, Tim and Max do tech, and ethical AI under the bus?
See you around Indie week today! Names In Today's Pod: Brad Navin Colleen Theis Dan Rys Hipgnosis Kristin Robinson Suno Udio Tracy Chan Splash Sourceaudio Morgan Hayduk Marsha BlackBurn Scott Desjarlais Andy Ogles John Rose Mark E Green Ro Khanna Timbaland Max Martin Maia Aniverse Dave Macli #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: Brad Navin Interview https://www.billboard.com/pro/orchard-music-distribution-brad-navin-interview/ SMP scoops up some Dead Elephant IP https://www.billboard.com/pro/sony-music-publishing-acquires-hipgnosis-songs-group/ Suno/Udio/UMG Reaction from ethical AI players https://www.billboard.com/pro/ethical-ai-music-firms-react-majors-suno-udio-license-talks/ Timbaland calls it A-Pop https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/06/timbaland-ai-genre-suno-signing/ Max Martin Invests in Syn...
2025-06-10
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The Who Sells Out David Israelite edition, Two weeks in one in NYC, and Taco Monday.
Caption Names in Today's Pod Melinda Newman David Israelite Denis Ladagaillerie Darryl Ballantyne Lyricfind A2IM NMPA AIMP TikTok Believe Music Ashley King Danielle Pascual Gregg Stein Arsh Shah Nick Sciorra Peter Harvey LINKS: CMA Fest 2025 https://www.billboard.com/lists/cma-fest-2025-day-3-nashville-best-moments/ Olivia is our favorite daughter https://www.billboard.com/lists/olivia-rodrigo-governors-ball-2025-best-moments-david-byrne/ Musixmatch vs Lyricfind https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/musixmatch-files-motion-to-dismiss-lyricfinds-antitrust-lawsuit/ TACO Tuesday TikTok Edition https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/06/trump-preparing-tiktok-ban-deadline-extension/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/02/donald-trump-taco-trade-acronym-explained/83988040007/ I thought Believe had already gone private! https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/05/ladegaillerie-believe-buyout-offer/ Only the best clients... https://www.digitalmusicnews.co...
2025-06-09
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Poking the three bears. Another look at Suno, and questions in the air.
Fever adds ticketing--now it's on! So many Goldman Report Questions, and Suno extends feelers. Names in the pod today: Virginie Berger Howie SInger Suno Nick Alt Nicole Muhoberac VYNL Paul Resnikoff Goldman Sachs Fever Dice Ethan Millman Chris WIllman Atte Hujanen Singa Suzy Schultz LINKS: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ai-isnt-your-savior-its-replacement-music-industry-were-berger-0pcxc/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/04/goldman-sachs-report-streaming-plateau/ https://musically.com/2025/06/05/fever-acquires-ticketing-firm-dice-in-live-tech-consolidation https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/04/singa-warner-music-deal/ https://variety.com/2025/music/news/vinyl-me-please-acquired-owners-restore-record-subscription-1236416655/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/04/primary-wave-acquires-artist-royalties-the-cars/ Music Services Https://Musicservices.com Hangout.FM Hangout.fm
2025-06-06
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Conscious uncoupling, Fever's Rod. And yes, there is crying in baseball.
Some non-Live Nation Non-AEG touring News! and Shakira: There's crying on tour but no crying in Baseball (Parks) Names in the pod today: David McKay John Griffin Ashley King Andy Gensler Taylor Mims Fever Seated Sofar Sounds Shakira Fyre Fest #musicindustry #podcast LINKS: Seated Uncoupling https://www.billboard.com/pro/seated-founders-re-acquire-ticketing-platform-sofar-sounds/ Fever's Rod https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/04/fever-funding-100-million-to-reinvent-live-music-experiences/ Gov Ball 15 https://news.pollstar.com/2025/05/30/against-all-odds-governors-ball-celebrates-15-years-as-it-becomes-nycs-top-major-music-festival/ Llorando en Beisbol https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/01/shakira-cancellations-dc-show/ Honduras Vice https://www.billboard.com/pro/fyre-festival-pop-up-event-honduras-island-hotel-resort/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Music Services Https://Musicservices.com
2025-06-05
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Arista Succession, Big brothers roll out new tools, and another messy viral.
Names in the pod today: Clio Massey David Massey Matt D'Arduini Arista Dylan Smith Andrew Hutchinson Links: Arista Succession https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/clio-massey-and-matt-darduini-appointed-co-presidents-arista-records/ TikTok For Artists https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/tiktok-for-artists-launches-globally-after-beta-testing/ Meta repalcing epople with AI https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/meta-plans-to-enable-fully-ai-automated-ads-by-2026/749604/ Music Services Musicservices.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm Lydia's V30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0tG6NjUzug
2025-06-04
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The Taylor effect, backroom dealings, and not-so-backroom dealings.
Anyone know how a Suno or Udio Licensing deal would be structured? Hit me up! And don't say Dario Amodei didn't warn you. Names In Today's Pod: Dylan Smith Ashley King Elizabeth Dilts Marshall Musi Jim Vandehei Michael Allen Axios Dario Amodei Anthropic AI Suno Udio #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: The Taylor Effect https://www.billboard.com/pro/taylor-swift-masters-battle-industry-impact-what-different/ Shady Backroom dealings, nahhh https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/30/musi-backroom-dealings-accusations-app-store-removal/ Shady Backroom dealings, yeahhh https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/06/02/udio-suno-settlement-talks/ Martina, Call your Congressman https://www.billboard.com/pro/martina-mcbride-no-fakes-act-ai-guest-op-ed/ Don't Say Dario Amodei didn't give you fair warning https://www.axios.com/2025/05/28/ai-j...
2025-06-03
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Taylor's (Re)version, Publishings 11 Queeners, the Chairman's Bang and Tudum!
"Tudum" and "Chairman Bang" are fun to say. Names in Today's Pod Glenn Peoples Rob Sheffield Jem Aswad Marc Schneider Bang Si-Hyuk Adam B. Vazy Shira Gans NY Music Month Netlflix Shamrock Capital LINKS: Taylor's Reversion https://www.billboard.com/pro/taylor-swift-regains-control-master-recordings-shamrock/ https://variety.com/2025/music/news/taylor-swift-timeline-music-rights-battle-1236414186/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/how-taylor-swift-won-commentary-1235351833/ Pictures of Chairman Bang https://www.billboard.com/pro/hybe-stock-falls-chairman-bang-investigation/ Gaga Rescues Tudum https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/netflix-tudum-lady-gaga-stranger-things-squid-game-1236415155/ 11 Queeners https://www.billboard.com/pro/music-publishing-market-worth-11-billion-globally-report/ NY Music Month https://www.nymusicmonth.nyc/ RoyFi Https://www.royfi.com Hangout.FM Hangout.fm
2025-06-02
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Country power diversifies, Hybe's Busy week, and catalogue for cocktail parties.
Country Power Players and HYBE has a busy week. Names in the pod today: Ashley King Elizabeth DIlts Marshall Barry Massarsky Citrin Cooperman Golnar Khosrowshai Reservoir Music Ghazi Katie Studley Marc Schneider Scott Borchetta Scooter Braun HYBE Tencent Big Machine SM Entertainment Bang Si-Hyuk Jay Gilbert Mike Etchart LINKS: Country Power Players https://www.billboard.com/p/country-power-players-2025/ Cocktail Party Catalogue https://www.billboard.com/pro/music-catalog-market-worth-citrin-cooperman-experts/ Reservoir Earnings https://www.billboard.com/pro/reservoir-media-earnings-q4-revenue-up-subscriptions-sync/ HYBE 1 https://www.billboard.com/pro/hybe-sm-entertainment-sale-tencent-music/ Hybe 2 https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/28/hybe-america-sells-big-machine-rock/ Taylor to own all versions? https://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/page-6-t...
2025-05-30
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Double black diamonds, a virtual black diamond and revenge of sorts.
Virtual ABBA and now Virtual KISS complete the 1977 Junior High Perfecta Names in the pod today: Alain Jourgenson Metallica Steve Driss PopHouse Per Sundin Elizabeth Dilts Marshall Josh Wyatt Avant Gardener Gary Richards Ryan Borba #musicindustry #podcast LINKS: KISS Joins Abba In 1977 JHS Holo-fame https://www.billboard.com/pro/pophouse-kiss-avatars-vegas-show-new-avicii-music/ Brooklyn Mirage makes a change https://www.billboard.com/pro/brooklyn-mirage-opening-josh-wyatt-out-avant-gardner-ceo/ RIP to some cool Folks https://news.pollstar.com/2025/05/24/update-sound-talent-group-families-share-additional-information-on-those-who-perished-in-san-diego-crash/ Ministry's Revenge https://open.spotify.com/album/6Wkf21TuFg0tEVFkCyMQp7?si=Doj3w8t3SvGYalndydFF0g RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Music Services Https://Musicservices.com
2025-05-29
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Winds of change from the East, score a couple for the rights holders, and a "Messy" trend.
Global Power, ChatGPT Power, and Messy Memes Names in the pod today: Andrew Hutchinson ChatGPT Discord Sarah Perez Amanda Silberling Sarah Moses Monica Kulkarni Jacob Geskin Links: Billboard Global POWER https://www.billboard.com/pro/billboard-global-power-players-2025-list/ ChatGPT on The March in April https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/chatgpt-traffic-rising-versus-other-top-visited-websites-infographic/749090/ Surf Provides custom feeds https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/22/open-social-web-browser-surf-makes-it-easier-for-anyone-to-build-custom-feeds/ Score two for the rightsholders https://www.billboard.com/pro/beastie-boys-social-media-lawsuit-diddy-trial-recap-lil-wayne-case/ How Brands can avoid getting Schooled by the rightsholders https://www.billboard.com/pro/how-brands-avoid-lawsuits-music-social-posts-op-ed/ Discord Is aware of its issues https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/23/discord-seeks-to-solve-a-problem-that-it-created/ Music Services Musicservices.com Hangout.fm Https://ha...
2025-05-28
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Air gapping your brain. What year is this? And the inevitable AI chop shop?
Reasonable AI expectations for rightsholders? Names in Today's Pod Nick Clegg Rob Levine Youtube Spotify Gabe Newell Valve Shira Perlmutter Reservoir Music Roots Picnic LINKS: AMAs https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/amas-winners-2025-list-1235980888/ Spotify Songs of the Summer Nominees NIck Clegg Simps for Big AI https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/26/former-meta-exec-its-not-reasonable-for-artists-to-opt-out-of-ai/ Content ID is possible https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/23/youtube-content-id-payouts/ Copyright office in Chaos https://www.billboard.com/pro/what-going-on-chaos-copyright-office-trump/ I'm Keeping my Brain Airgapped https://www.theverge.com/news/673938/gabe-newell-valve-founder-brain-computer-interface-first-chip-starfish RoyFi Https://www.royfi.com Hangout.FM Hangout.fm
2025-05-27
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You can't fire me and I don't quit, Music City under the bus, and a pagan celebration.
Music City Reps throw copyright under the bus. Just Sayin'... Names in the pod today: Shira Perlmutter Martin Lorentzon Marsha Blackburn Scott Desjarlais Andy Ogles John Rose Mark E. Green Klaus-Peter Schulenberg Udio CTS Eventim Spotify LINKS: Perlmutter claps back https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/donald-trump-sued-by-us-copyright-office-director-over-blatantly-unlawful-firing/ A Big Beautiful Copyright sellout https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/22/ai-safe-harbor-provision-big-beautiful-bill-act/ NOFAKES in the Senate https://www.billboard.com/pro/martina-mcbride-speaks-out-ai-deepfakes-senate-hearing/ CTS has a Big Quarter https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/cts-eventim-revenues-soared-19-1-to-3bn-in-2024/ Remove a Tariff, watch biz boom https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/spotify-says-ios-payment-rule-change-boosted-premium-subscription/ UDIO hits the App store https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/udios-mobile-app-launches-on-ios-priced-at-up-to-30-per-month/ Mus...
2025-05-23
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Death, taxes and Livenation, more AI-nxiety and what's better than donuts.
A dizzying arrat of Livenation litigation Names in the pod today: Richard Smirke Elizabeth Dilts Marshall Eriq Gardner Live Nation Dave Brooks Richard Grenell The Josephine Network LINKS: An extra dose of AI-nxiety https://www.billboard.com/pro/eu-ai-act-code-europe-music-industry-tech-concerns/ The powers that be Live nation https://puck.news/podcast_episode/taylors-swifties-v-live-nation/ COVID Collusion Kerfuffle https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/live-nation-and-aeg-face-probe-over-pandemic-refund-policies-report/ https://news.pollstar.com/2025/05/19/feds-probe-live-nation-aeg-for-alleged-covid-era-collusion-report/ The Kid is catching on https://www.billboard.com/pro/live-nation-donald-trump-appointee-richard-grenell-board/ The Tickets are too damn high! https://www.billboard.com/pro/concert-ticket-prices-studies-spending-debt-consumer-trends/ Handy Dandy cheap tickets resources https://www.billboard.com/culture/product-recommendations/best-cheap-tickets-sites-1235380283/ The Jose...
2025-05-22
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A flat circle built on flat circles past peak TikTok, and hang on to that publishing.
"Without You" is this week's viral for the olds. Names in the pod today: Fred Goldring Josh Gruss Universal Music Ashley King Emma Roth Mike Spinella Ryan Redington Amazon Music Soundcloud Spotify TikTok Links UMG Goes Back to Bricks and Mortar https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/umg-to-relocate-new-york-offices-to-penn-2-building-in-manhattan-with-future-premium-retail-experience-dedicated-to-serving-music-superfans/ https://www.billboard.com/business/business-news/bookstores-comeback-record-stores-follow-op-ed-1235966827/ Amazon AI Playlisting > Spotify AI Playlisting https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/20/amazon-music-ai-powered-search/ https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/entertainment/amazon-music-ai-music-discovery Spotify Leans harder into Audiobooks https://www.theverge.com/news/669933/spotify-iphone-app-audiobooks-purchase-apple-ruling Past Peak TikTok? https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/20/tiktok-loses-most-downloaded-app-crown/ A SoundCloud-y Promo https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mikespinella_1000bpm...
2025-05-21
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Another wave of layoffs, air quality, and supercomputers versus bachelorettes.
Drummer Layoffs Problematic artists and supercomputers in Space Names In Today's Pod: Jem Aswad Tressie Macmillan Cottom Ashley King Chriss WIllman Steven J. Horowitz Ted Suh Snap Blue Origin Kyle Orland Shira Gans New York Music Month #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: Drummer Layoffs https://variety.com/2025/music/news/foo-fighters-fire-josh-freese-drummer-shocked-disappointed-1236400951/ https://variety.com/2025/music/news/the-who-fires-zak-starkey-again-advance-farewell-tour-1236402638/ Cottom on Wallen https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/18/opinion/country-music-beyonce-lana.html Aswad on Wallen https://variety.com/2025/music/opinion/morgan-wallen-fans-maga-trump-1236400045/ Discord Hacks Kanye https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/19/kanye-west-album-leaked-discord/ https://variety.com/2025/music/opinion/morgan-wallen-fans-maga-trump-1236400045/ Epic Games fights for all of us. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2025/05/epic-goes-to-court-to-force-fortnite-back-on-us-ios/ Bach...
2025-05-20
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The atmosphere we breathe, the Olds start at 22, and earnings learnings
If you are sleeping on Shorts, wake up! Names in Today’s Pod: Glenn Peoples Rob Stevenson Matt Signore YouTube Resorts World Peter Bjorn and John Lone Wolves Jack Hedges LINKS: Moragan Wallen is everywhere https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/morgan-wallen-im-the-problem-breaks-sreaming-records-1235974784/ Katy Perry OOF https://nypost.com/2025/05/17/entertainment/katy-perry-not-invited-back-to-vegas-after-residency/ Under 21's are coming. https://www.billboard.com/lists/21-under-21-music-2025-list/ And they are doing it on YouTube Shorts https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/15/youtube-shorts-revenue-now-equals-regular-videos/ Earnings Learnings https://www.billboard.com/pro/music-earnings-report-q1-trends-cost-cutting-subscriptions/ RoyFi Hangout.fm
2025-05-19
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Nine-toed cats in court, Albini drops and Apollo bucks go to work.
Back from MusicBiz! Names in the pod today: Jonathan Vlassopoulous Byron Coley Portia Sabin Mandy Dalugdug Daniel Tencer Bill Ackman Concord Music LINKS: AI Roundup https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/pro/tech-bros-weekly/ Nine toes in court https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/did-anthropics-own-ai-generate-a-hallucination-in-legal-defense-against-song-lyrics-copyright-case/ ALbini Drops stevealbiniscloset.com. Concord On Broadway https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/09/broadway-licensing-global-concord-acquisition/ Aurocorrect Hates this... https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/producer-poo-bear-launches-ttikr-app-allowing-creators-to-monetize-content-without-ads/ Spotify payouts up in UK https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/uk-artists-generated-more-than-1bn-on-spotify-in-2024-up-8-from-a-year-earlier/ Ackman bows out https://www.billboard.com/pro/bill-ackman-resigns-universal-music-group-board-umg/ Next year in Atlanta https://www.billboard.com/pro/music-biz-conference-return-atlanta-2026/ Music Services Https://Musicservices.com Hangout.FM Hangout.fm
2025-05-16
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Sony earnings. Doing the right thing. And honey, warm up the defibrillator.
Last Day in ATL and my voice is shot! Names in the pod today: Sony Music Elizabeth Dilts Marshall Lone Wolves Community Soundcloud Eliah Seton CBGB Fest Michael Delle Donne Rob Dekker Ricardo Briceno Portia Sabin Ticketmaster Katie Bain #musicindustry #podcast LINKS: Sony done Good in Q1 https://www.billboard.com/pro/sony-music-fiscal-earnings-revenue-profits-streaming/ Doing the right thing 1 https://www.billboard.com/pro/soundcloud-artificial-intelligence-open-letter-terms-ceo/ Doing the right thing 1 https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/12/ticketmasters-all-in-pricing-arrives-nationwide/ Canada Festival soft? https://www.billboard.com/pro/canada-music-festival-market-declining-report/ CBGB Fest Returns https://news.pollstar.com/2025/05/12/cbgb-festival-heads-to-under-the-k-bridge-with-iggy-pop-jack-white-sex-pistols-more/
2025-05-15
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Too debased, too frightening and too disturbing, and a viral for the olds, for the win.
Some things are too debased, too frightening and too disturbing to be shared with the public. Names in the pod today: Dick Wingate Universal Music Group Drake Fiona Bloom Jamie Marconette Dylan Smith Bill Rosenblatt Eric West iHeart Media Ashley King Tencent Entertainment Adam Jacobsen Jeremy Sirota Elias Leight Quanisha Madison Connie Francis David Pellum II Links iHeart Earnings https://rbr.com/a-good-start-to-2025-comes-for-iheartmedia/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/13/iheartmedia-us-radio-advertising-spend-percentage/ Drake suit Too debased, too frightening and too disturbing. https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/12/drake-umg-lawsuit-protective-order/ AI strip mining in the dark of night https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/12/house-republicans-ban-on-ai-regulation/ Tencent Earnings https://www.mus...
2025-05-14
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Filling a FUGA-shaped hole? Our weekly AI fear and loathing Who are you and why are you here?
Day One in ATL.. Names In Today's Pod: Bruno Guez Revelator Suno Soundcloud Ed Newton-Rex Wes Davis Kyle Wiggers Jay Gilbert Richard James Burgess Lindsay Montgomery Sam Pritikin Steve Driss Maulin Hermani Craig Gonzalez Joel Andrew #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: Revelator Doubles up https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/revelator-hits-15-billion-stream-landmark-looks-to-double-revenues-in-2025/ Suno keeps Rolling https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/suno-upgrades-ai-music-generator-with-enhanced-vocal-capabilities-extended-track-length/ Soundcloud's mixed AI signals https://www.theverge.com/news/664683/soundcloud-denies-training-ai-with-user-music ChatGPTing your way through college https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/openai-chatgpt-ai-cheating-education-college-students-school.html Music Services Musicservices.com RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com
2025-05-13
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An apocalypse hoagie, defenestrating the copy cop, and has Spotify peaked?
Alright Music Biz Let's do this thing... Names In Today's Pod: Robert Levine Paul Resnikoff Spotify Glenn Peoples Ted Gioia Shira Perlmutter Ghost Sleep Token Rob Dekker Michael Del Donne Ricardo Briceno LINKS: Past Peak Spotify? https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/pro/weekly-spotify-subscriber-2025-decline/ Copy Cop Defenestrated https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/donald-trump-fires-top-us-copyright-official-sending-concerning-message-over-music-and-ai/ Private Equity is problematic but I doubt it's destroying frontline... https://www.billboard.com/pro/private-equity-catalog-market-hurting-new-music/ Rob Levine tells a Ghost Story https://www.billboard.com/pro/inside-alluring-concept-rock-ghost/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm
2025-05-12
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Everybody loves a chart, arrows pointing in all directions, and don't leave out the good stuff!
Don't leave out the good stuff! Names in the pod today: Robert Kyncl Shazam Ralph Tashjian Sphere Warner Music SM entertainment Glenn Peoples Andrew Kahn Daniel Tencer Elizabeth Dilts Marshall LINKS: A new CHART! https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/07/shazam-launches-viral-charts/ WMG Arrow Pointing down https://www.billboard.com/pro/warner-music-group-earnings-fiscal-q2-2025-revenue-profits/ Yamaha Gets set to invest https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/yamaha-launches-50m-fund-to-power-music-and-media-startups/ SM earnings poinitng up https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/sm-entertainment-revenues-up-5-to-166m-in-q1-2025-on-music-concert-growth/ Sphere Earnings pointing in all directions https://www.billboard.com/pro/sphere-earnings-call-ceo-not-worried-tourism-downturn/ Oh Yeah, That Guy! https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/indie-music-platform-intercept-secures-50m-in-financing-for-catalog-acquisitions/ Andrew, Let's Talk htt...
2025-05-09
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Suits versus geeks, spotting the pimps and thieves, and the Streisand effect move of the week.
Sarah Landry is a real hero. Names in the pod today: Ted Gioia Syd Schwartz Ashley King Rob Stringer Clive Davis Sarah Landry Vinyl Me Please The Mirage Brooklyn Sphere Beyonce #musicindustry #podcast LINKS: Vinyl Me, Please goes Kaput https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/07/vinyl-me-please-bankruptcy-liquidation/ Heroes and Villains https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ted-gioia-338597_how-i-identify-heroes-villains-in-the-music-activity-7321613854092738563-Gw4i?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAAC_y4Bj_55MYX2ryKaHuxhU84V4OgAAeM But don't underestimate the suits https://jazzandcoffee.substack.com/p/rip-vinylmeplease The Mirage is a cluster... https://www.billboard.com/pro/brooklyn-mirage-opening-delayed-construction-permit/ Sarah Landry is a Hero https://www.bil...
2025-05-08
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Just picture Zuckerberg watching. I want my AI underfed, and your grandpa from Bensonhurst.
Meta AI...I'm sitting this one out for now. Change my Mind. Names in the pod today: Andrew Hutchinson Geoffrey Fowler Mark Zuckerberg Jesse Kanner Meta AI Snap Inc Reddit Xi Jinping Connie Francis Matt Berry Addison Rae Links Meta AI https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/meta-ai-chatbot-reawakens-concerns-personal-data-tracking/747189/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/what-is-meta-ai-everything-to-know-about-the-tech-giants-ai-tools/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/05/05/meta-ai-privacy/ Threads Up https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/threads-reaches-350-million-monthly-active-users/746828/ Kicking the TikTok ban further down the road https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/tiktok-us-sell-off-bill-china-extension/747202/ TikTok makes EU mad https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/tiktok-eu-fine-data-transfers-china/747076/ Reddit UP https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/redd...
2025-05-07
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Nobody's perfect, A pair of 22 year-olds, and a couple of wins...for now.
Adam Smith, or Roy Cohn? Names In Today's Pod: Howie SInger Dylan Smith Daniel Tencer Steve Jobs Adam Smith Roy Cohn Tim Cook Apple Spotify Skype #musicindustry #musictech #Podcast LINKS: iTunes turns 22 https://www.cultofmac.com/apple-history/itunes-music-store-opens Apple's 30% Armor penetrated https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/02/spotify-ios-update Steve Jobs Wasn't Perfect https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/key-changes-steve-jobs-his-missed-take-howie-singer-8tzre? A UK AI Holding action https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/uk-record-industry-warns-against-celebrating-uk-governments-copyright-bill-amendments/ RIP Skype at 22 https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/05/skype-is-shutting-down-today-these-are-the-best-alternatives/ Music Services Musicservices.com RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com
2025-05-06
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Earnings Insights MIDIA's Twin Peaks +1 and May the fifth be with you.
Back in the Eastern time zone, for better or worse. Let's get Music Biz meetups on the books! Names In Today's Pod: Mark Mulligan Tataina Cirisano Laura Fisher Elizabeth Dilts Marshall Glenn Peoples Michael Rapino David Israelite Scott Walker Hybe SM Livenation MIDIA LINKS: Earnings insights https://www.billboard.com/pro/2025-q1-earnings-every-music-company-report/ https://www.billboard.com/pro/spotify-live-nation-umg-economy-hurt-music-business/ https://www.billboard.com/pro/hybe-shares-up-earnings-music-stocks-rise/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/01/live-nation-earnings-q1-2025/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/05/01/siriusxm-q1-2025-earnings/ Bundlegate never gets old https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/nmpa-says-spotifys-q1-growth-due-to-undercutting-of-songwriters-via-audiobook-bundling1/ Peak Frag? https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7324046575297597441/ Peak Fan...
2025-05-05
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Today I grind my own damn axe.
Two things have never gone away, have never gone bankrupt, have never decided to shut down, taking all of your data with them, have never been abandoned by their user base, and have been actively employed by almost the entire online universe on a daily basis for all of those years... Names in the pod today: The Wants Bandcamp Cousines Like Shit Ed Rivadavia Openstage Fancircles LINKS: The Wants need a real website Https://Thewants.xyz Cousines Like Shit Have a good website https://www.cousines-like-sh.it/ Openstage https://openstage.live/ Fancircles https://www.fancircles.com/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com H...
2025-05-02
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We don't usually talk about individual tours, IGs replace OGs, and a thin strand of shared reality.
Kneecap Kneecapped. Happy Meals and shared reality. Names in the pod today: Jason Feinberg Ticketmaster Ashley King Wiz Khalifa Pandora Beyonce Ice Cube Travis Scott Kneecap LINKS: TICKET Act Passes https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/29/ticket-act-passes-house-now-headed-to-senate/ Beyonce ticket sales/Happy Meal https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/29/beyonce-sofi-stadium-tickets/ https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/beyonce-cowboy-carter-tour-blue-ivy-rumi-night-1-1235957800/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/29/beyonce-tickets-happy-meal-really/ Wiz Khalifa bigger than B? https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/29/wiz-khalifa-sean-paul-good-vibes-only-tour/ Ice Cube Truth to Power? https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/ice-cube-2025-tour-dates-north-america-1235947075/ Kneecap Truth To Power https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/29/kneecap-fallout-us-visa-german-festival/ Travis Scott https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/28/coachella-fined-20000-over-travis-scott-performance/ Wiz Khalifa al...
2025-05-01
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A Q1 earnings roundup, waiting for super premium and we touch a little grass.
STILL Waiting for Spotify SuperPremium Names in the pod today: Ole Obermann Daniel Ek Tracy Newman Spotify Hybe Universal Music Group Deezer Glenn Peoples Elizabeth Dilts Marshall Ashley King Dylan Smith Murray Stassen Daniel Tencer Beach Bunny Links Spotify Q1 https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/29/spotify-ceo-word-salad-super-premium-plan/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/29/spotify-earnings-q1-2025/ UMG Q1 https://www.billboard.com/pro/universal-music-q1-earnings-revenue-streaming-subscriptions/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/29/universal-music-group-earnings-q1-2025/ Hybe Q1 https://www.billboard.com/pro/hybe-earnings-q1-2025-revenue-up-new-boy-band-details/ Deezer Q1 https://www.billboard.com/pro/deezer-earnings-q1-2025-revenue-up-subscriber-growth-france/ Congrats Ole https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ole-obermann-and-rachel-newman-named-co-heads-apple-music/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https...
2025-04-30
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Gifts of the gods, Dotcom Bust flashbacks, and Dr. Evil's Pinky.
A Dotcom Bust Flashback? Names In Today's Pod: Mike Van ashley King Phoebe Liu Iain Martin John Acunto Eleven Labs Infinite Reality Napster touchcast LINKS: The old Gods are smiling... https://www.billboard.com/pro/pink-floyd-at-pompeii-concert-film-imax-movie/ Spotify's 100 Million pod thing https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/28/spotify-podcasts-payout-q1-2025/ If a DJ goes AI does anyone notice? https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/27/sydney-radio-station-ai-dj-use/ Spotify's other pre-earning flex https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/24/spotify-expands-ai-playlist-beta-to-40-more-countries/ CMGI 2.0? https://www.forbes.com/sites/phoebeliu/2025/04/24/infinite-reality-john-acunto-155-billion-metaverse-startup-biggest-fundraise/ Congrats Mike Van! https://www.billboard.com/business/business-news/mike-van-first-billboard-ceo- RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm
2025-04-29
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Delays on the Downtown expressway, suffocating layers of content and Working for MCA.
Pompeii is a great metaphor... Names In Today's Pod: MIke Harris Dave Cobb Tencent Music Downtown Ximalaya Tim Ingham Murray Stassen Paul Resnikoff LINKS: The Downtown Expressway https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/why-universal-music-group-will-be-allowed-to-buy-downtown/ Delays on that Expressway https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/confirmed-european-competition-regulator-to-assess-umgs-775m-acquisition-of-downtown-music/ Working for MCA https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/umg-nashville-rebrands-as-music-corporation-of-america/ Nascent Chinese Bundlegate https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/tencent-music-close-to-2-4-billion-deal-to-acquire-podcast-firm-ximalaya-with-a-potential-payday-for-sony-music/ Suffocating layers of AI-Gen Music https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/tencent-music-is-developing-ai-powered-tools-to-help-reduce-the-barrier-to-music-creation/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm
2025-04-28
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Axegrinder Friday: Jorge Brea on Streaming Fraud
Jorge Brea is CEO of Symphonic distribution. Symphonic is a 100% independent company offering full service distribution, marketing, royalty collection and more, for artists, managers, and distributors alike. Jorge Is deeply concerned about Streaming fraud and he grinds this axe today. His Full BillBoard Editorial on Streaming Fraud is HERE: https://www.billboard.com/pro/streaming-fraud-music-industry-how-fight-guest-column/
2025-04-25
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Who Are You and Why Are You Here? Extended Play: Lynn Lowe
You may have noticed that when a conference happens, I run around with a microphone and ask people, who are you and why are you here? So today we've got a Who are You and why are you here? Extended Play Edition brought to you with the support of Music Services Inc. Music Services is a division of SESAC Music Group, and they've pioneered technology, licensing, and administration solutions to meet the growing needs of record labels and music publishers worldwide. We sat down with Lynn Lowe from Music Services Inc. Which is the Publishing Administration division of...
2025-04-24
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Monopolistic practices, egos, confusion, and There She Goes.
Instagram goes hard vs.TikTok and a great viral for the olds. Names in the pod today: Kevin Systrom Mark Zuckerberg Lauren Feiner Instagram Cyril Dominic Preston Andrew Hutchinson The La's Links: Systrom Testifies Against Meta https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/21/world/video/trump-tariffs-china-warehouses-tiktok-digvid A New Insta Feature https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/instagram-launches-blend-reels-sharing-feature/745690/ Another New Insta Feature https://www.theverge.com/news/653136/instagram-edits-meta-capcut-clone-tiktok-bytedance Wait I thought TikTok was OK now... https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/children-turning-to-tiktok-instead-of-church-for-guidance-summit-ministries-gen-z-jeff-myers TikTok Bad https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/21/world/video/trump-tariffs-china-warehouses-tiktok-digvid YouTube is still King of all Streaming https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/youtube-ctv-market-share-nielsen-gauge-report/745840/ RoyFi https://www...
2025-04-23
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The merch-pocalypse, AI flooding the zone, and Flashback 2000.
Tariffs help choke off one of the last reliable artist revenue streams. Names In Today's Pod: Ed Newton-Rex Deezer Tim Ingham Steve Knopper Scott Galloway Infinite Reality TouchCast Michael C. Wood LINKS: Merch Screwed By Tariffs https://www.billboard.com/pro/trump-tariffs-affecting-music-merch-industry/ Deezer Flooded By AI https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ai-music-invasion-doubles-on-deezer-20000-bot-created-tracks-now-uploaded-each-day-to-streaming-platform/ Google Monopoly Stuff https://www.theverge.com/policy/652708/google-search-antitrust-remedies-trial-opening Ed Newton-Rex on Legislators Flooded by AI lobbying https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/creators-ai-copyright-battle-1236192627/ Infinite Reality: Google or CMGI? https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/18/infinite-reality-acquires-touchcast/ RIP Leap Pad guy https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/19/business/michael-c-wood-dead.html? RoyFi https://www.RoyF...
2025-04-22
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Maximum wage versus minimum wage. EDM goes home. And are we really toing down to a deadline?
Now they call it an apprenticeship?? https://unlimitedsupply.podbean.com/e/boomer-school-at-coachella-superfan-saturation-and-it-always-starts-in-the-low-countries/ Names In Today's Pod: Joel Katz Jem Aswad Steve Knopper OVO Dam Milmo Michael Beckermann TikTok BeatPort LINKS: RIP Joel Katz https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/18/music-industry-says-goodbye-to-legal-heavyweight-joel-katz/ For Shame, OVO https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/4185793215/?refId=r3iJxy4O1om%2FWdgbnf%2BLJg%3D%3D&trackingId=r3iJxy4O1om%2FWdgbnf%2BLJg%3D%3D Coachella YouTube Streams Matter https://www.billboard.com/pro/coachella-youtube-livestream-global-fan-engagement-artists/ TikTok Washington Fixer Leaves https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/17/tiktok-us-head-of-policy-steps-down/ EDM Surges on TikTok https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/apr/20/views-of-tiktok-posts-with-electronic-music-outgrow-those-using-indie?utm_source=chatgpt.com EDM Come...
2025-04-21
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Unlimited supply turns One, repeating things five times, and other lessons.
It's Unlimited Supply's first anniversary!!! Names in the pod today: Syd Schwartz Ed Christman Record Store Day Denis Ladegaillerie Believe Music Charles Goldstuck Goldstate DMN's Investment Rundown Paul Resnikoff Mandy Dalugdug Tony Van Veen Daniel Ek LINKS: Syd on RSD https://jazzandcoffee.substack.com/p/post-mortem-record-store-day-2025 Billboard on RSD https://www.billboard.com/pro/record-store-day-2025-report-swift-sales-long-lines-weather/ Denis Solidifies Believe Hold https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/denis-ladegaillerie-backed-by-eqt-and-tcv-makes-move-to-fully-acquire-believe/ Goldstuck raises 5 Rods https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/charles-goldstucks-goldstate-raises-500m-to-buy-music-blishing-make-for-even-odder-rights-with-investment-from-northleaf-capital-and-ares-management/ DMN tracks the investment Boom https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/pro/weekly-music-funding-q1-2025/ How Much Spotify is not paying the Long Tail https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/17/spotify-stream-minimum-estimate/ How...
2025-04-18
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Festival counter-fomo, Brookchella, and a dead cat bounce?
Rock is back. Again. It never went away, Again. Is it a dead cat bounce? Names in the Pod today: Jonathan Azu Alison Hagendorf Mark DiDia Spotify Zoom Rich Schaefer Reggie Watts Gideon Gottfried Coachella Bonnaroo Rae Isla LINKS: Rock Takes a Holiday https://www.techradar.com/news/live/spotify-down-april-2025 Worker Bees Touch Grass https://www.theverge.com/news/650123/zoom-down-outage-video-calls Pollstar Live hub https://news.pollstar.com/2025/04/14/pollstar-live-2025-hub-stevie-nicks-jelly-roll-lns-michael-rapino-kevin-cronin-fireaid-aegs-rich-schaefer-kevin-lyman-more/ Reggie Watts Does not love Coachella https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/16/reggie-watts-coachella-lost-its-soul/ Bonnaroo looks like fun https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/16/fyre-festival-2-postponed-all-tickets-refunded/ Gullible suckers get refunds https://variety.com/2025/music/news/fyre-festival-2-p...
2025-04-17
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Lost in the chaos, No rush for TikTok, and clipping on the rise.
Clipping Campaigns...Fad or revolution? Names in the pod today: TikTok Kevin O'Leary James Hale Andrew Hutchinson Alex Heath OpenAI Gametune DDG Links: NO hurry for Bytedance https://www.tubefilter.com/2025/04/11/tiktok-us-earnings-bytedance-sale/amp/ https://www.theverge.com/openai/648130/openai-social-network-x-competitor#comments OpenAI Social Net? https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/open-ai-considers-its-own-social-network/745467/ Clipping Campaigns start to roll.. https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/28/media/election-social-media-video-clips-viral/index.html https://www.instagram.com/p/DIRZp8xOvZA/ https://www.linkedin.com/posts/anthony-pisano-7ba19040_futureofmusic-contentstrategy-creatoreconomy-activity-7316129994357776384-Oq8N/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm Lydia's V30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0tG6NjUzug
2025-04-16
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Attacks on your sanity, a tax on your sanity, and tech on your sanity.
Pexit! Names In Today's Pod: Amadea Choplin Pex Vobile Chris Castle Jack Dorsey David Solomon Paolo Confino Ashley King Marissa Mayer Dolby LINKS: Pexit https://www.linkedin.com/posts/amadeachoplin_pex-vobile-activity-7317561716727238657-9H4w?utm_sourcet=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAAC_y4Bj_55MYX2ryKaHuxhU84V4OgAAeM Chris Castle Recognizes Patterns https://musictech.solutions/2025/04/14/does-publicly-available-ai-scraping-mean-they-take-everything-or-just-anything-thats-not-nailed-down/ Maybe agentic AI will come for the bankers first. https://fortune.com/2025/01/17/goldman-sachs-ceo-david-solomon-ai-tasks-ipo-prospectus-s1-filing-sec/?utm_source=generativeaienterprise.ai&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=goldman-cuts-time-to-value-by-95 I guess Jack Dorsey wants to give up his patents and Trademarks https://www. ..digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/14/jack-dorsey-ip-comments/ Perplexity AI on...
2025-04-15
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Boomer school at Coachella, superfan saturation, and it always starts in the low countries.
Superfans, Superfans, and...Bernie Sanders Names In Today's Pod: Nick Holmsten Tim Ingham Syd Schwartz John Semley Bernie Sanders Glenn Peoples Mark Mulligan Tatiana Cirisano Dylan Smith Pollstar Music Sustainability Alliance LINKS: Bernie Schools the Infuencers https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/bernie-sanders-coachella-2025-clairo-1235945316/ Spotify Squeezes the Low Countries https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/11/spotify-price-increases-benelux-april-2025/ Superfan Streaming predictions https://www.billboard.com/pro/superfan-music-streaming-how-much-money/ A new Superfan Challenger Bank https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/nick-holmsten-launches-superfans/ Record Store Day Precaps https://jazzandcoffee.substack.com/ https://www.billboard.com/lists/record-store-day-2025-best-releases/ https://defector.com/how-record-store-day-became-the-stupidest-day-in-music Pollstar Live https://www.pollstar.live/flow/ovg/psl...
2025-04-14
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West beats East, tariff consequences, and "it's the system man!"
It's the System, Man! Names in the pod today: Glenn Peoples Interscope Elizabeth Dilts Marshall Kate Nash Jeff Lebowski David Macias Oscar Hoglund Epidemic Sound Dan Rys Daniel Tencer LINKS: West Beats East at UMG https://www.billboard.com/pro/record-label-market-share-q1-2025-kendrick-lamar-interscope/ Coachella Bargain getaways https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/10/coachella-2025-last-minute-guide-tickets-lodging/ Kate Nash https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/10/kate-nash-spotify-umg-paltry-payments/ Music as a safe haven? https://www.billboard.com/pro/could-uncertainty-global-markets-boost-music-investments/ Or maybe not? https://www.billboard.com/pro/trump-tariffs-us-music-business-effects/ GEMA's good year https://www.billboard.com/pro/gema-2024-results-revenue-up/ Epidemic's very Good Year https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/epidemic-sounds-revenues-jumped-29-to-181-6m...
2025-04-11
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A Spotify premium ad tier? Legislators legislating, and more fantastical tales.
Tales of Myth, Legend, and Congress. Names in the Pod today: Robert Kyncl Jermaine Dupree HYBE Warner Music Group Scotter Braun Elliot Grainge Ali Nawaz Khan Daneil Tencer Spotify Daniel Ek Amy Klobuchar Gerald Casale Perry Farrell Marc Geiger Richard Bienstock Tom Beaujour LINKS: ScooterXJ.D. https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/08/hybe-america-so-so-def-recordings-distribution-deal/ WMG SuperFan https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/warner-music-group-is-readying-its-superfan-app-with-help-from-ed-sheeran/ Spotify Adding Ads to Premium? https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/09/rumor-mill-says-spotify-putting-ads-in-premium-spotify-denies/ The "No Fakes" Act Lives https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/no-fakes-act-aimed-at-cracking-down-on-deepfakes-reintroduced-in-us-congress-this-time-with-support-of-google-and-openai/ The TICKET Act also lives: https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/08/ticket-act-house-committee-approval/ Legends of Lolla 1.0 https://news.pollstar.com/2025/04/04/lollapalooza-the-uncensored-story-of-alternative-rocks-wildest-festival/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com H...
2025-04-10
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Squads of reporters, better fake news search, and chicken jockeys.
Your Fake news is gonna be easier to find now. And...Rocky Horror for Gen Z? Names in the pod today: Lauren Hirsch Tiktok Instagram David McCabe Sapna Maheswari Adam Mosseri Sarah Perez Andy Pulver Dan Milmo Minecraft Links: China Weighs in https://www.reuters.com/technology/china-says-tiktok-deal-subject-government-review-2025-04-09 the Tick Tock on the TIKTOK fail https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/07/technology/trump-tiktok-china-tariffs.html TikTok for artists https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/tiktok-soft-launches-tiktok-for-artists-platform/ Community Notes now live on Meta https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/meta-community-notes-now-live-US/744679/ TikTok For Artists https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/08/instagram-is-beefing-up-its-search-to-compete-with-tiktok/ Insta Beefing up Search https://www..com/film/2025/apr/09/cin...
2025-04-09
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Lifestage passages, a TikTok-Fugee lifeboat, and one AI article to rule them all.
An essential AI state of the art-icle linked today. Names In Today's Pod: David Massey Virginie Berger Ashley King MTV Declan McGlynn Aly Gillani Mark Cuban Skylight Sara Perez Fortnite LINKS: David Massey Retires https://www.musicweek.com/labels/read/david-massey-to-retire-from-arista-records-as-rob-stringer-pays-tribute/091739 MTV Joins Matlock https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/04/cbs-snags-mtv-vmas-paramount-pre-show/ Skylight Is here https://skylight.social/ https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/01/mark-cuban-backs-skylight-a-tiktok-alternative-built-on-blueskys-underlying-technology/ Ouchella https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/07/coachella-weekend-2-passes-dropping-below-face-value/ Sabrina on Fortnite https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/07/sabrina-carpenter-headlines-fortnite-festival-season-8/ Was Bandcamp the answer? https://futurefilter.substack.com/p/was-bandcamp-the-answer-all-along Virginie Lays out the AI landscape (MUST READ) https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/01/mark-cuban-backs-skylight-a-tiktok-alternative-built-on-blueskys-underlying-technology/? RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com ...
2025-04-08
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TikTokalypse postponed, FOMO deflation, and the end of the world.
A packed weekend and packed week ahead Names In Today's Pod: TikTok Murray Stassen Tony Blair Foundation Ashley King Coachella Downtown Music Record Store Day LINKS: TikTokalypse postponed (Not news) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-07/trump-says-china-s-objections-to-tariffs-stalled-tiktok-deal TikTokers say Whatever. https://www.npr.org/2025/04/05/nx-s1-5351788/sale-trump-tiktok-china-creators-fatigue The New TikTok Business Model https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/apr/06/profiting-from-misery-how-tiktok-makes-money-from-child-begging-livestreams New Music Miley https://mileycyrus.lnk.to/listen Wet Leg https://wetlegband.com/ TV Girl (seriously, get a website! UGH!) https://tvgirl.bandcamp.com/ The Dare https://www.itsthedare.com/ Uncool Brittannia? https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/tony-blairs-institute-just-wrote-a-report-calling-for-uk-copyright-law-to-be-ripped-up-heres-what-it-says/ UMG-Downtown EU Sc...
2025-04-07
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JOHN RASO -- Who Are You and Why Are You Here? EXTENDED PLAY
For this episode we're doing something a little different. Music Services, a division of SESAC Music Group, offers a wide range of technology, licensing, and administration services for music publishers, record labels, and artists around the world. That’s a lot under one roof. And with a name like Music Services, it can mean a lot of different things. To help break it all down, we sat down with John Raso, CEO of Audiam—the division of Music Services that helps artists get paid from YouTube. This is the first in a series of co...
2025-04-04
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Will the TikTokalypse finally arrive? Is music a safe haven? And superb Swedish things.
A lot of Swedish Richness today... Names in the pod today: TikTok Amazon Applovin Oracle Amazon Frank McCourt Shot Tower Capital Aisha Malik Per Vikstrom Bjorn Ulvaeus Marc Schneider Tim Pithouse Daniel EK LINKS: The ABCs of the TikTokalypse https://abcnews.go.com/Business/amazon-joins-bidding-war-tiktok-deadline-sale-approaches/story? The Veep Veeping https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/04/03/vp-vance-on-tiktok-deal-before-this-weekend/ Youtube posts up https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/03/youtube-shorts-takes-on-tiktok-with-new-creation-tools/ Superb Swedish Fundraising https://www.billboard.com/pro/pophouse-raises-billion-catalog-acquisitions-experiences/ BMG's 2024 Queener https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/bmg-surpassed-1-billion-revenue-in-2024-up-6-4-yoy-ebitda-surges-to-record-287m/ Unsupberb Swedish cashout news https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/daniel-ek-pockets-another-27-6m-from-selling-spotify-shares/ Congrats Tim Pithouse https://www.hitsdailydouble.com/new...
2025-04-04
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Axegrinder week Thursday with Matthew Hawn
Matthew Hawn has an axe to grind about Measurement Obsession. And we check in on some touring thThursday and TikTok News. Names In Today's Pod: Matthew Hawn Kid Rock Abby Jones Linkin Park Ashley King TikTok Amazon Lauren Hirsch Maggie Haberman Zolan Kanno-Youngs Karen Weise Sapna Maheshwari LINKS: Amazon to the TikTok Rescue? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/02/business/media/amazon-tiktok-bid.html Linkin Park Bingo https://www.stereogum.com/2302353/linkin-park-downgrade-dodger-stadium-show-slash-ticket-price/news/ Kid Rock's stopped clock moment https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/31/trump-executive-order-price-gouging-entertainment/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm Lydia's V30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0tG6NjUzug
2025-04-03
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It's Axegrinder Week with Peter Harvey Plus Viral Wednesday.
Peter Harvey has an AI Axe to grind. Names In Today's Pod: Peter Harvey Triller Merlin TikTok Andreessen Horowitz Reuters Krystal Scanlan Daniel Tencer LINKS: Andreesen Horowitz to the TikTok Rescue? https://www.reuters.com/technology/andreessen-horowitz-talks-help-buy-out-tiktoks-chinese-owners-ft-reports-2025-04-01/ But Folks are taking it in stride https://digiday.com/marketing/marketers-are-calmer-about-tiktoks-future-in-the-u-s-even-as-its-ads-team-thins-out/ Triller's bad week. Sued again... https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/merlin-sues-tiktok-rival-triller-for-breach-of-contract-over-allegedly-unpaid-music-licensing-fees/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm Lydia's V30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0tG6NjUzug
2025-04-02
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Jack Hedges has an AI Axe to grind. Axegrinder Week TUESDAY
Jack Hedges has an AI Axe to grind. Names In Today's Pod: Jack Hedges Canvasback Music Transgressive Records Dylan Smith Mandy Dalugdug Tiger Baby Records Sony Music Kakao Hybe LINKS: Canvasback has cool artists https://canvasbackmusic.com/ India Streaming in reverse gear https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/28/indian-music-market-2024-data/ But Sony is playng the long game https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/sony-music-forms-record-label-joint-venture-with-tiger-baby-films-in-latest-move-in-india/ Weverse launches listening parties (Hangouts are available to all artists) https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/hybes-weverse-launches-in-app-streaming-service-listening-party/ Every Superfan Coke deserves a Superfan Pepsi https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/youve-heard-of-superfan-app-weverse-now-the-parent-company-of-hybes-arch-rival-has-launched-a-direct-competitor-meet-berriz/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm
2025-04-01
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It's Axe Grinder week, MONDAY -- Syd Schwartz
Syd Schwartz has a Record Store Day Axe to grind. Names In Today's Pod: Syd Schwartz Jazz And Coffee Roman Mars Podcast Evolutions 99% Invisible LINKS: Syd's Awesome Substack https://jazzandcoffee.substack.com/ Record Store Day https://recordstoreday.com/ 99% Invisible https://99percentinvisible.org/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm
2025-03-31
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More TikTok, more Spotify and Scalpers fight recessions?
Parasites regulating the music ecosystem and other oddities today... Names in the pod today: Charlie Hellman Murray Stassen Paul Resnikoff Tom Corson Lisa Wolfe Dale Connone TikTok Spotify GetReal The Orchard PPL In2une LINKS: Tariffs vs TikTok https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/27/trump-lower-tariffs-china-tiktok-deal/ USA Streaming share https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/pro/dsp-ranking-2024-spotify-apple-music-two-thirds/ Spotify makes its artist case https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/charlie-hellman-22100-artists-generated-over-50-meaningful/ Get Real Raises a Bag https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/getreal-security-raises-17-5m-to-combat-ai-deepfakes/ PPL and PRS working together! https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/uk-collection-org-ppls-2024-revenue-jumps-6-yoy-to-record-384m/ Scalpers Fight Inflation?!?! https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/03/23/live-music-seems-recession-proof-thank-ticket-scalpers In2uneX...
2025-03-28
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Agency tectonics, a publishing setback in AI, and a StubHub IPO?
Idiosyncrasy and Complexity are the words of the day. Names in the Pod today: Anthropic Soundcloud Stubhub Jeremy Zimmer Ari Emanuel Glenn Peoples Elias Leight Dylan Smith The Pinnacle LINKS: Anthropic Wins one in AI https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/26/anthropic-lawsuit-music-publishers/ Soundcloud Flexes https://www.billboard.com/pro/soundcloud-report-listeners-new-music-gen-z-tastemaker/ Stubhub Finally files for its IPO https://www.billboard.com/pro/stubhub-ipo-2024-revenue-1-77-billion/ Agency Tectonics 1 https://news.pollstar.com/2025/03/19/david-kramer-set-to-succeed-jeremy-zimmer-as-uta-ceo/ Agency Tectonics 1 https://news.pollstar.com/2025/03/24/endeavor-goes-private-emanuel-drops-ceo-title-as-silver-lake-wraps-25b-deal/ The Pinnacle Probably won't sell out a lot https://www.billboard.com/pro/pinnacle-aeg-presents-flagship-venue-nashville/ Shakira Rains Money on Mexico https://www.billboard.com...
2025-03-27
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Napster eternal, TikTok as usual, and the only adult in the social room.
We are still talking about Napster! And TikTok is getting interesting again. Names in the pod today: Jon Vlassopoulous Napster Evan Spiegel Blake Chandlee TikTok Ashley King Elias Leight Snapchat Sapna Maheshwari Andrew Hutchinson Pinterest Links: Napster's Next Phase https://www.billboard.com/pro/napster-acquired-infinite-reality/ Another Big TikTok Exit https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/25/technology/tiktok-ban-ads.html TikTok as Usual https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/25/technology/tiktok-ban-ads.html Evan Spiegel is the adult in the room https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/snap-ceo-evan-spiegel-zuckerberg-ar-content-moderation/743373 Pinterest enters the Aughts (guess which look I made up?) https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/pinterest-trends-coachella-2025/743400/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com ...
2025-03-26
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Repeating things five times. AI fussing and fighting and ax grinders are go.
Lots of our Axe Grinder guests showing and proving... Names In Today's Pod: Milana Lewis Kritin Graziani Bob Valentine Mark Meharry Murray Stassen Dylan Smith Shara Senderoff Howie SInger Lee Martin Matt Slifkin Lauren Blitzer-Wright Drew Thurlow LINKS: Two Takes on Concord Stem https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/concord-acquires-stem/ Mark Maharry https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/on-understanding-the-critical-value-of-data-ownership/ Shara Senderoff Cares about AI Training Data... https://www.billboard.com/pro/generative-ethical-ai-fix-music-licensing/ ...So Does Howie Singer https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/key-changes-ai-fair-use-fussing-fighting-howie-singer-uc5oe/ Lee Martin Does another Cool Thing https://www.linkedin.com/posts/leepaulmartin_last-week-i-had-a-wonderful-talk-with-matt-activity-7309930535361880064-uTgi Axegrinders Launch a podcast https://www.youtube.com...
2025-03-25
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Inflation adjusted hype, two weeks in one, and the internet is for porn.
The Wisdom of Avenue Q is eternal... Names In Today's Pod: Ted Gioia Daniel Ek Ashley Carman Kyle Barr Mandy Dalugdug Winter Music Conference Miami Music Week Ultra Music Festival BillBoard Women In Music LINKS: Inflation Adjusted Hype https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ted-gioia-338597_question-what-happens-when-you-adjust-music-activity-7308904561858031617-dxP4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&rcm=ACoAAAAC_y4Bj_55MYX2ryKaHuxhU84V4OgAAeM Spotify Is for Porn https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-03-20/porn-on-spotify-is-infiltrating-the-streaming-service-s-top-podcast-charts?srnd=undefined https://gizmodo.com/spotify-is-blocking-porn-that-rises-to-top-of-podcasts-2000579307 A Creator Friendly AI decision https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/21/ai-generated-works-cannot-be-copyrighted-in-the-us-court-of-appeals-rules/ The Great Spotify Cash Out Continues https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/20/nmpa...
2025-03-24
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Open kimonos, queeners and rods for newbies, and Mexico conquers Australia.
Welcome to all the new listeners this week! We explain some of our shorthand. Names in the pod today: IFPI Dylan Smith Jamie Marconette Isabela Raygoza QoBuz Dan Mackta Elizabeth Dilts Marshall STEM Paul Resnikoff Primary Wave Tencent Deezer LINKS: DMN on IFPI https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/19/global-music-industry-revenue-2024 The IFPI full preort https://globalmusicreport.ifpi.org/ Mexico Conquers Australia https://www.billboard.com/pro/mexico-top-10-global-music-market-ifpi-report/ Qobuz opens the kimono https://www.billboard.com/pro/qobuz-releases-per-stream-royalty-rate-streaming-platform/ Song value now vs 1999 https://www.billboard.com/pro/how-much-hit-song-worth-today-1999-analysis/ One Rod for Stem https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/20/concord-stem-acquisition-price/ Two Rods for Biggie http...
2025-03-21
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Trained chimps, Neil, Beyonce, and a thin line.
"No conflict, no interest" means I can shill my actual own indie rock show Saturday Night. Names in the Pod today: Dave Brooks Nicole Halimpoor Bob Allen Pollstar LiveNation Nancy Nicholson LINKS: Neil Rejects Platinum Tickets https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/17/neil-young-abandons-platinum-tickets-calls-it-fan-exploitation/ Bey Sells a Wagonload of Tickets https://www.billboard.com/pro/beyonce-cowboy-carter-tour-ticket-sales-prices/ PollStar Q1 Report https://news.pollstar.com/2025/03/18/q1-analysis-data-points-to-another-mixed-year-following-post-pandemic-golden-age/ DOJ v LiveNation rolls on https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/16/live-nation-doj-antitrust-battle-trump/ Anyma at The Sphere https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/19/anyma-the-end-of-genesys-stage-production-sphere-las-vegas/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout Https://hangout.fm
2025-03-20
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The craft beer strategy, swarming TikTok bees and dunking on Drake.
Music May not be so recession-proof this time. Names in the pod today: Mark Mulligan Emma Roth Andrew Hutchinson RIAA @privden2 Links: US Recording music barely beats Inflation https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/recorded-music-streaming-revenues-grew-by-just-3-6-yoy-in-the-united-states-in-2024-dragged-down-by-a-decline-in-advertising-payouts/ Mark Mulligan has the solution https://www.midiaresearch.com/blog/a-model-for-a-new-music-streaming-industry Dunking On Drake https://www.theverge.com/news/631902/drake-umg-not-like-us-lawsuit-response TikTok Tea leaves https://www.theverge.com/news/631999/oracle-tiktok-ban-deal-project-texa TikToks Getting longer https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/research-tiktok-longer-videos-get-more-reach/742754/ TikTok creators prepare to Swarm to Youtube https://www.dailydot.com/culture/the-youtube-shorts-colonization-tiktok-march-25/ Community Notes on Mets, What could got wrong? https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/me...
2025-03-19
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The A. I. Super Bowl, Thieves and Pimps 2. 0, and WTF is WAF?
A concept of an AI training data licensing plan. Names In Today's Pod: Jensen Haung Invidia Trip Mickel Skye Jacobs Ashley King Wes Davis Virginie Berger Songwriters Guild of America Society of Composers and Lyricists Music Creators of North America Sonos LINKS: The Super Bowl ofAI https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/18/technology/nvidia-gtc-conference-ai.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare Thieves and Pimps 2.0 https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/14/google-weighs-in-on-us-ai-action-plan/ https://www.techspot.com/news/107158-openai-seeks-trump-administration-help-ai-fair-use.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/virginieberger/2025/03/15/the-ai-copyright-battle-why-openai-and-google-are-pushing-for-fair-use/ The Copyright guys fight back https://www.forbes.com/sites/virginieberger/2025/03/15/the-ai-copyright-battle-why-openai-and-google-are-pushing-for-fair-use/ Sonos https://www.theverge.com/news/630883/sonos-update-new-features-future-updates RoyFi https://www.Ro...
2025-03-18
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South by So Long, a Bundlegate Double Down, and Finance Friday Leftovers.
A true crime procedural set in the music industry... Names In Today's Pod: Ana Gutierrez Brendan Gilmartin Dennis Scheyer Ashley King Kristin Robinson Dylan Smith Glenn Peoples Murray Stassen Believe Music Mark Mulligan LINKS: SXSW Music Retrench https://www.statesman.com/story/entertainment/2025/03/16/sxsw-2026-schedule-half-price-badges-early-bird-available-now/82470583007/? Not Really the TikTok News https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/14/is-oracle-the-frontrunner-to-run-tiktok/ Ambient Under Siege? https://www.billboard.com/pro/can-ambient-music-boom-withstand-ai-genre-report/ UMG Tracks the US Market https://www.billboard.com/pro/universal-music-group-shares-fall-pershing-stock-sale/ Believe Crosses $1B https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/believe-generated-over-1-billion-in-2024-as-annual-revenues-grow-11-5-yoy/ Bundlegate is working out for Spotify https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/pro/weekly-dsp-bundling-rates-2024/ Spotify Sho...
2025-03-17
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The elephant is a memory, Spotify's short tail, and who are you and why are you here?
You may be scoundrels, rascals, and grifters, but you're my scoundrels, rascals, and grifters. Names in the pod today: Daniel Tencer Dylan Smith Drew Thurlow John Mlynczak Kristen Robinson Billie Jean Sarullo Mike Odabashian AIMS Heidi Hartsclub Thomas Athey Alan Benedict Bria Chris Eggertson Steve Zapf Thomas Athey Alan Benedict LINKS: Dead Elephant Dead https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/12/recognition-music-group-launch/ Spotify's short Tail https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/12m-artists-uploaded-music-to-spotify-last-year-less-than-0-6-generated-10000-or-more-in-royalties1/ Some Good AI news https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/bria-raises-40m-to-expand-patented-attribution-engine-to-ai-generated-music-content/ Roan gives back https://www.billboard.com/pro/chappell-roan-support-mental-health-charity-backline/ That Mexican Telecaster's price is about to go up. https://www.billbo...
2025-03-14
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Fogerty Shreds. Get thee to Kraftwerk, and the UK does the right thing.
SXSW is still a grind but if you aren't here... Names in the Pod today: John Fogerty Isabela Raygoza Mark Sutherland Kraftwerk SXSW LINKS: The UK does the Right things https://variety.com/2025/music/global/indie-venues-levy-arena-concert-tickets-1236327834/ Bad Bunny Gooses the Puerto Rican Economy https://www.billboard.com/pro/bad-bunny-puerto-rico-residency-help-local-economy/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout Https://hangout.fm
2025-03-13
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Does TikTok still matter? Short fingered jazz hands and another jiggy viral.
Alexis Ohanian is everywhere. Names in the pod today: TikTok Alexis Ohanian Paul Resnikoff Chartmetric Ashley King Mandy Dalugdug Digg Kevin Rose Stumbleupon Civ Links: Chartmetric's new Tool https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/02/24/chartmetric-talent-search-tool/ TikTok Sale Jazz Hands https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/07/tiktok-sale-negotiations-march-2025/ Alexis Ohanian is Everywhere 1 https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/reddit-co-founder-alexis-ohanian-joins-frank-mccourts-peoples-bid-to-buy-tiktok/ Alexis Ohanian is Everywhere 2 https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/06/alexis-ohanian-kevin-rose-team-up-to-buy-back-digg/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm Lydia's V30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0tG6NjUzug
2025-03-12
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A licensing history lesson, Sony bar the door, and Drew Thurlow has an axe to grind.
A nod to my mentors and a rare show of unity Re: AI. Names In Today's Pod: Paul Resnikoff Audoo Elias Leight Don Rose Rob Simonds Arthur Mann Doug Lexa Mandy Dalugdug Drew Thurlow LINKS: Audoo is better than a Baseball Bat https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/07/audoo-song-tracking-data-denver-pro/ A Licensing History Lesson https://www.billboard.com/pro/major-label-licensing-deals/ Sony Bar the Door! https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/sony-music-reveals-75000-ai-deepfake-takedowns-criticizes-uks-rushed-copyright-reform1/ Drew Thurlow https://www.linkedin.com/in/drewthurlow/ RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm
2025-03-11
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Even less radio? More hiding the music? And what's a label for? Answered.
Behind the Tate McCrae domination and Ezra Edelman doesn't hide the music. Names In Today's Pod: Jordan Blaugrund RCA Dan Rys Joseph Perla Steve Knopper Audacy Dylan Smith Ador Min-Hee Jin Bob Holmes Ezra Edleman Pablo Torres LINKS: Ezra Edelman on Pablo Torres finds out. https://www.youtube.com/watch? Congrats Jordan https://www.billboard.com/pro/how-tate-mcrae-scored-career-best-debut-so-close-to-what/ Audacy Layoffs https://www.billboard.com/pro/audacy-layoffs-radio-company-200-employees/ Korean HR https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/07/newjeans-ador-injunction-hearing/ Ambient Country Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ambient-country/id1695988317 RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout.fm Https://hangout.fm
2025-03-10
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UMG's year, 37 million cartons of eggs, and let me put that into perspective.
Ball or Ball-er Status, the price of eggs, and some perspective checks. Names in the pod today: Lyor Cohen Jim Turner Universal Music Aquarian Raven Capital Rudy Sashay David Israelite Daniel Ek Liangelo Ball Elizabeth Dilts Marshall Glenn Peoples Dylan Smith Paul Resnikoff Stuart Dredge Tim Ingham LINKS: Youtube Music over 125M https://musically.com/2025/03/05/youtube-now-has-125m-music-and-premium-subscribers/ BlackPInk over 75 Mil https://musically.com/2022/06/30/blackpink-are-first-music-artist-with-75m-youtube-subscribers/ As go UMG earnings... https://www.billboard.com/pro/universal-music-group-earnings-2024-revenue-up-streaming-merch/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/06/universal-music-earnings-q4-2024/ More money flowing in https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/06/raven-music-partners/ Resnikoff's Funding Update https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/pro/2025-funding-jan-feb-yoy/ Dea...
2025-03-07
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Mr. Offset goes to Moscow, TSA is a bouncer now, and more warm buttered noodles.
A Lyric scrum begins... Names in the Pod today: Daryl Ballantine John Trimble Offset Antones Lyricfind TPG Musixmatch Hamilton Leithauser LINKS: You might not know John Trimble... https://www.linkedin.com/posts/john-trimble-79b5a86_as-runs-go-this-journey-was-pretty-good-activity-7302678448391573504-xkM6? LyricFind Sues MusixMatch and TPG https://www.lyricfind.com/openletter? Moscow Trap House https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2025/03/05/offset-announces-tour-date-in-moscow-despite-label-boycott/ Antones at the AIrport https://news.pollstar.com/2025/03/05/antones-lands-at-austin-bergstrom-international-airport/ ColdplayXFIFA https://www.stereogum.com/2299383/coldplay-will-help-curate-first-world-cup-final-halftime-show/news/ https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/44117914/2026-world-cup-final-host-super-bowl-style-half-show Hamilton Leithauser's Bobby Short Act https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/04/arts/music/hamilton-leithauser-cafe-carlyle-this-side-island.html RoyFi https://www.RoyFI.com Hangout Https://hangout.fm
2025-03-06
08 min