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Giant ConversationsGC - #34 AI for InfrastructureTruly deep insights from Timo Derstappen on how AI will change the role of Platform Engineer Giant Conversations Episode #34 Join us for AI Beyond the Hype from Giant Swarm Episode Date: June 27, 2025 Topic: AI for Infrastructure Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Special Guest: Timo Derstappen AI Beyond the Hype AI for Infrastructure Recap of AI for Infrastructure - Mainly the presentation about AI: Your New Superpowered, Semi-Intelligent, Tireless Partner Conversation Starters Your New Role: The Product Manager
2025-06-2741 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #32 Onsite with AIIn this episode, Oliver and Tommy discuss the Giant Swarm onsites, AI in the news and plug our NEXT event AI for Infrastructure Giant Conversations Episode #32 AI for Infrastructure Giant Swarm NEXT: Coffee edition with QAWare June 24th, at 9:30 am CEST Join Us: https://swarm.ly/3FnyeeL AI for Infrastructure: How Will AI Change the Life of a Platform Engineer? Episode Date: June 4, 2025 Topic: AI Event and Onsites + Swarmalicious News Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin This years Team Onsites Location: Mallorca...
2025-06-0627 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #31 KubeCon UneditedWe bring back Heather and Joe to talk (almost) all things London and KubeCon. Just as chaotic, fun, and educational as KubeCon itself. See you there! Giant Conversations Episode #31 Episode Date: March 28, 2025 Topic: KubeCon London Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Special Guests: Heather Clancy Joe Salisbury ### See you at KubeCon - a marketer's take We'll be at KubeCon in London Drop by booth N450 Date: 1-4 April 2025 in London Giant Swarm Lineup - KubeCon: Marco Ebert: How...
2025-03-2844 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #30 One Year of Giant ConversationsIt's not a cut together sho of memories. Tech news keeps coming in and we're here to decipher it for you... still. Giant Conversations Episode #30 Episode Date: March 12 2025 Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Contributors: Puja Abbassi Martin Proffitt Marcus Noble Marian Steinbach ### Swarmalicious News We'll be at KubeCon in London Drop by booth N450 Date: 1-4 April 2025 in London Giant Swarm Lineup - KubeCon: Marco Ebert: How To Gateway With Ingress - 140 Days InGate Giant Swarm Lineup at Rejekts: Marcus Noble...
2025-03-1438 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #29 It's Puja Two Y'allConfidential computing, Flux 2.5 GA, agent mode for GitHub Copilot, and much more. Giant Conversations Episode #29 Episode Date: March 5 2025 Topic: Puja Two Y'all! Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Special Guest: Puja Abbassi Contributors: Puja Abbassi Timo Derstappen Simon Weald Zach Stone Martin Proffitt Marcus Noble Subscribe to Marcus' Kubernetes Newsletter https://cloudnative.now/ ### Swarmalicious News Marcus Noble: Tekton Incubation Application - This is from May 1, 2024. Is it new? Martin Proffitt: Introducing Flux 2.5 GA. General Availability of the Bucket API: The...
2025-03-0535 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #28 BestiesOur colleague Puja Abbassi joins us and we discuss some of our BFFs content. We're talk about you Frederic, Viktor, Tim, and Millennium BCP. Giant Conversations Episode #28 Episode Date: February 12 2025 Topic: Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Special Guest: Puja Abbassi Contributors: Puja Abbassi Timo Derstappen Simon Weald Zach Stone Martin Proffitt Marcus Noble Xavier Avrillier ### Swarmalicious News Zach Stone - TIL about this k8s native global load balancer project, currently CNCF sandbox: A cloud native Kubernetes Global Balancer Advantages: Kubernetes...
2025-02-1445 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #27 Our 2025 Cloud Native PredictionsOliver and Tommy delve into his Cloud Native predictions for 20 25 and recap his predictions from 2024 And looking into the future from the Team at Giant Swarm Giant Conversations Episode #27 Topic Cloud Native Predictions for 2025 from Giant Swarm Hosted by: Tommy Hobin Oliver Thylmann Last year's predictions: Was Oli right? Decision making will be a people topic CNCF will gain in strength and add key projects CNCF Project List and CNCF Project Count More companies or projects will fold or merge The IDP, Internal Developer Platform trend will go full force GitOps becomes the standard ...
2025-01-3043 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #25 I Will Fucking Piledrive You If You Mention AI Again**From an article shared within Giant Swarm. Not (necessarily) our POV. Giant Conversations Episode #25 Episode Date: November 28 2024 Topic: I Will Fucking Piledrive You If You Mention AI Again Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Contributors: Puja Abbassi Franco Hielpos Fernando Ripoll Joseph Salisbury Łukasz Piątkowski Jonas Zeiger Simon Weald * Zach Stone Swarmalicious News Web Scraping in 2024: Protect Ya Neck. (Wu-Tang Clan Reference) The two main keys of web scraping in 2024 are infrastructure & tactics. With affordable & easily accessible defenses like Cloudflare, even small apps can pr...
2024-11-2833 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #24 The AI MillionaireFind out about the AI "who" became a millionaire. We talk Flux, Bluesky, KCDs, and image_0001. Giant Conversations Episode #24 Topic: Kubernetes Ecosystem News Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin AI News How AI is on the way to become a millionaire Two instances of Claude Opus (LLMs) together invented the “GOATSE OF GNOSIS” - a shock meme that went viral. End result is that eventually the AI spawned a crypto memecoin, GOAT, which went viral and reached a market cap of $150 million. Truth Terminal has ~$300,000 of GOAT in its wallet and is o...
2024-11-2229 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #23 A day in the life of a maintainerJames Strong and Marco Ebert, both NGINX maintainers open up about becoming maintainers and the good bad and ugly of their passion behind the code. Giant Conversations Episode #23 Episode Date: October 3, 2024 Topic: Ingress NGINX - or: A day in the life of a maintainer. Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Staring: James Strong Marco Ebert A day in the life of a maintainer. "Wait, you're doing what? Coding? In your free time? For free? Nobody is paying you?" In this episode of Giant Conversations we...
2024-10-0344 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #22 I wish Zach was HereOliver and Tommy muse over the absolute most impressive and good tech news. Zach wasn't invited but would have been nice to have him there. Giant Conversations Episode #22 Episode Date: Topic: It's the news! Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Giant Swarm 2024 Onsite Marrakech https://www.clubmed.de/r/marrakech-la-palmeraie/y https://www.inaracamp.com/les-terrasses-dagafay/ Swarmalicious News IBM acquires Kubernetes cost optimization startup Kubecost. IBM continues it's effort to bolster its IT and FinOps capabilities as enterprises increasingly look to better manage their increasingly complex cloud...
2024-09-2640 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #20 Is this thing on?Oliver Thylmann and his token American tackle the latest in tech news Giant Conversations Episode #20 Topic: Is this thing on - it's the news! Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Swarmalicious News Are we live - i so pale Elastic Search is Open Source again Elastic is adding AGPL as another license option next to ELv2 and SSPL in the coming weeks. We never stopped believing and behaving like an open source community after we changed the license. But being able to use the term Open Source, by using...
2024-09-0641 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #19 We're Baaack!After a short break, Oli and Tommy tackle the big tech news Giant Conversations Episode #19 Topic: News from the Ecosystem Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Swarmalicious News CNCF accepted Flatcar for incubation: Quote from Thilo Fromm from Microsoft mentioned on Mastadon "After 18 months of work (much more counting preps from before we filed the request." On January 6th Flatcar submitted to be a CNCF project. Was voted in favor at 81% (threshhold needed to be 66% to pass). CNCF project, External Secrets - ESO Inc. is launched From an advisor...
2024-08-3039 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #18 1:1 with Alexis Richardson - Listen Up1:1 with Alexis Richardson Giant Conversations Episode #18 Topic Meet Alexis Richardson Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Alexis Richardson Main topic: Interview Let's start with you, where do you come from, what did you study and how did you end up in the K8s space? There is the saying: we stumbled upon our greatest successes, but you only stumble if you are walking? Did you just walk where you liked it or did you target something? You then started WeaveWorks, what was the idea, what was it that the big VCs that...
2024-07-121h 09Giant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #17 Happy 10th Birthday Giant SwarmIt's Giant Swarm's 10th (and Oli had a birthday recently too). Tune in to the musings of your hosts who discuss Microsoft's Project Natick, the trick to a cleaner Google search, Rakuten Viber, and AI in all directions. Giant Conversations Episode #17 Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Main topic: Happy Birthday Giant Swarm Happy birthday to Oliver Thylmann and Giant Swarm! Swarmalicious News Microsoft waves goodbye to underwater data centers: Microsoft's Project Natick was deemed a successful trial for it's testing grounds but has no plans on submersing any more data centers...
2024-07-0427 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #16 Giant Swarm TrainingsAccount Engineer Lorenzo Soligo joins us to reveal Giant Swarm's approach to client education on cloud native technologies and our infrastructure. Giant Conversations Episode #16 Topic Giant Swarm's Training Schedule Explained Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Lorenzo Soligo Main topic: Giant Swarm's Training Schedule Present Training Schedule: Management 101: high level overview of management at Giant Swarm Giant Swarm 101: introduction to Giant Swarm (company, support model, architecture, …) Kubernetes 101: introduction to Kubernetes (why use it, how to deploy an app, …) Troubleshooting and Best Practices 101: how to troubleshoot apps in Kubernetes and...
2024-06-2829 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #15 Giant Swarm On-sites & MansionsTommy jumps on with Joshua Olson-Kerrigan (otherwise known as Dr. OK) to talk On-sites and mansions, with a cameo from Oliver from his On-site. Giant Conversations Episode #15 Topic Giant Mansions: How we bring a remote team together Hosted by: Joshua Olson - Kerrigan Tommy Hobin * Cameo from Oliver Thylmann Main topic On-sites and Mansions Intro to Josh Human Resources / HR Teams Involvement Why we do On-sites Planning and Logistics Benefits Retro's done in the past Slide Deck to Teams' mansions Has Team-Team noticed any "...
2024-06-2032 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #14 Total RecallEnjoy the musings of Oliver Thylmann and Tommy Hobin as they discuss Kubernetes Ecosystem news, AI and our Slack channel #YELLING Giant Conversations Episode #14 Topic News from the Ecosystem Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Swarmalicious News Introducing Hydrophone: a lightweight runner designed to streamline Kubernetes tests using the official conformance images released by the Kubernetes release team. Microsoft's new recall feature seems to be a really good idea… This very simple tool extracts and displays data from the Recall feature in Windows 11, providing an easy way to access information about your PC...
2024-06-1334 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #13 Podcast SausageTommy is joined by esteemed Podcast Producer Heather Clancy to reminisce over the last 12 episodes. Giant Conversations Episode #13 Topic Podcast Sausage: A walk down memory lane… Hosted by: Tommy Hobin Heather Clancy Main topic We take a look back at our last 3 months of Giant Conversations and have a few laughs about each episode. Guests in these episodes: Miles Bryant Liz Rice Cortney Nickerson Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Zach Stone Joe Salisbury Timo Derstappen Marian Steinbach Looking back: a tour of episodes gone by! ...
2024-05-3039 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #11 From Flatcar to Emotional Support GatorsThis is our news. Directly from the source of Giant Swarm Giant Conversations Episode #11 Topic Diving into the latest buzz with Swarmalicious News Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Swarmalicious News The Kubernetes Resource Model (KRM) has proven to be a powerful design decision, enabling generic tooling and reducing the effort required to manage diverse resource types. By using the same format for at-rest serialization and API communication, KRM allows resources to be self-describing, facilitating various management tasks and automation scenarios. The current state of systemd-sysext in Flatcar and the...
2024-05-1641 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #10 Unpacking Open Source with Cortney Nickerson Giant Conversations Episode #10 Topic Unpacking Open Source with Cortney Nickerson Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Starring: Cortney Nickerson Main topic From KubeCon in Paris, we asked our guest this question: Can successful open source projects only originate from organizations that don’t prioritize monetizing the project? Cortney's answer resonated with us in the era of new Open Source Licensing, and we just had to have her on. Theme: Corporations and Open Source: How should corporations approach and engage with open source pr...
2024-05-0943 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #09 It's Liz Rice!Come meet Liz Rice as we talk about how much we all love our Kubernetes community. So actually it's an Episode about you. Giant Conversations Episode #09 Topic Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Starring: Liz Rice Main topic: Interview with Liz Rice Questions: 100's of people lined up at KubeCon. Invited to all the events. Asked to speak on webinars, at meetups, at conferences… How does it feel being a cloud native celebrity? How did you end up in the Kubernetes space? There is the saying: we stumbled up...
2024-05-0247 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC - #08 News from the EcosystemWe discuss digital nomads, IBM buying Hashicorp, the Puppet State of DevOps report, and scary Boston Dynamics robots Giant Conversations Episode #08 Topic: News of the week from Giant Swarm Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Swarmalicious News By 2035, the number of digital nomads is projected to reach 1 billion worldwide. Kubernetes v1.30: Uwubernetes is here and the logo is very cute We can talk about the name. :) 10 years of effort Cost to develop and People required for Kubernetes development More news from Hashicorp It seems that OpenTofu, an open source project, has been...
2024-04-2531 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC #05 - Hanging with MonzoMeet Miles Bryant from Monzo bank Giant Conversations Episode #05 Topic Meet Monzo Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Starring: Joe Salisbury Miles Bryant Main topic Monzo aims to improve the financial lives of millions of people, and key to this is building a bank using modern technologies that don’t suck. They made a bold decision to adopt Kubernetes quite early on (version 1.3). Why did they choose Kubernetes, and what have they learnt?
2024-04-0444 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC #04 - Back from KubeCon EUThis episode scours the halls of KubeCon Paris to get answers to what everyone is talking about. Giant Conversations Episode #04 This episode scours the halls of KubeCon Paris to get answers to what everyone is talking about. From what best talks are, to which booth had the best SWAG and even opened up the Pandora's box of Should Open Source Projects be monetized. Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Main topic Cloud Native Ecosystem Q & A at KubeCon in Paris 2024 Selected Questions Srsly? In your opinion...
2024-03-2837 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC #03 - It's all about securityTalking to our own Zach about our Zachurity approach Giant Conversations Episode #03 and date Topic Giant Swarm, Security and Open Source. Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Starring: Zach Stone Main topic We delve down deep into our security approach. The falacy of CVEs, the importance of PSS, the difference of developers and security practicioners and a lot more. News from #swarmalicious Cloud Native Computing Foundation’s FluxCD Project Gains New Corporate Support Puja is quoted: "Giant Swarm chose Flux as the core of our GitOps ex...
2024-03-2149 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC #02 - The Pre-Kubecon SpecialLet's go to Kubecon in Paris Giant Conversations Episode #02 and date KubeCon is approaching quickly and we can't wait to represent 22+ deep. Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin News from #swarmalicious VMWare is still a talking point with posts on license increase from $8m to $100m and Glassdoor reviews stating: “CEO admits he has no hobbies outside of work. Stock price only thing that matters.” But there are also more balanced views New CNCF contribution view (seems to only count code contributions and is limited to Kubernetes project) Marcus is in the lead...
2024-03-1437 minGiant Conversations
Giant ConversationsGC #01 - The Big IntroductionThis episode introduces the Giant Swarm Conversations Podcast and will be an introduction to what follows over the next 3 months. We also cover NEWS 1, 2, 3. Giant Conversations Episode #01 This episode introduces the Giant Swarm Conversations Podcast and will be an introduction to what follows over the next 3 months. We also cover NEWS 1, 2, 3. This weeks jingle from Nikolai Rodionov Hosted by: Oliver Thylmann Tommy Hobin Main topics Introduction to why Giant Swarm does a Podcast This will be a time limited experiment. We want to have conversations with interesting people. We want...
2024-03-0733 minCatch the Tornado Podcast
Catch the Tornado Podcast51. beCommerce with Oliver Thylmann, co-founder and CCO of Giant SwarmGiant Swarm provides an API Driven Open Source Platform that enables businesses to easily provision and scale Kubernetes clusters together with a wide set of managed services. Some of its customers include leading organizations from Fortune 500 to technology-first companies. Today, Markus Lorenz speaks to Oliver Thylmann, the co-founder and CCO of Giant Swarm. The two have a very honest conversation about customer service, understanding customer needs, collaboration, identifying real pain points, and building strong, trustworthy business partnerships. Oliver also shares plenty of insights on building a fast-growing company, as well as building lasting relationships within the company itself, even...
2021-08-2638 minDigital // Duell - Die Pressedebatte für die Digitale Transformation von Wirtschaft, Gesellschaft und Politik
Digital // Duell - Die Pressedebatte für die Digitale Transformation von Wirtschaft, Gesellschaft und PolitikDigital // Duell (Folge 21, KW23/2021) - Gast war Oliver ThylmannDigital // Duell - Die Pressedebatte für die Digitale Transformation von Wirtschaft, Gesellschaft und Politik mit Tobias Kollmann und Klemens Skibicki. Die Idee und damit das Konzept vom Digital // Duell ist einfach. Die beiden Internet-Experten bringen sich gegenseitig spannende Schlagzeilen zum Thema „Digitale Transformation“ aus der Online- und Offline-Presse der jeweiligen Woche mit in die Sendung und debattieren diese im Hinblick auf die Auswirkungen auf Wirtschaft, Gesellschaft und Politik. Da der Partner diese Schlagzeilen vorher nicht kennt, entwickelt sich ein spontaner und spannender Schlagabtausch zur Digitalisierung, der durch Gäste und Zuschauerfragen in der Sendung noch intensiver wird. In dieser 21. Folge...
2021-06-1352 minFinancial Independence Europe Podcast
Financial Independence Europe Podcast136 - Crypto Assets Update - New Applications and Infrastructure for 2021Hi this is Mathias,In this episode we dive quite deep into crypto currencies and assets! Because decentralized financial systems will one day compliment or replace the current financial system. Decentralized technologies are also evolving and can fuel all kinds of non financial transactions, too. Like insurance policies, event tickets or investing in companies. And right now mainstream financial provider like paypal starting to adopt crypto currencies like bitcoin.  Hedge fund managers like Peter Druckenmiller and companies like Square and microstrategy favor investing their company capital in crypto currencies. Conventional so call...
2021-03-0947 minAethervox
AethervoxAVE #342: Oliver ThylmannJeden verdammten Donnerstag: Gossip, Rants und ‎Lebenshilfe. Aus Köln und Berlin. Zu Gast ist der Unternehmer, Entwickler und Podcaster (https://interesse.podigee.io/) Oliver Thylmann (Giant Swarm: https://t.co/FCswLT6glv?amp=1). Oliver Thylmann ist Serial Entrepreneur, Developer Whisperer und Co-Founder. Ich traf ihn bei mir zu Hause und wir sprachen über sein Leben, seine Karriere, Technologie, Ambitionen, Innovationen und Möglichkeiten. Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/aethervoxehrenfeld Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AethervoxEhrenfeld/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aethervoxehrenfeld/ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/aethervox-ehrenfeld/id928942483 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5dBTH298yyPuJVmileTsFK Teleg...
2020-11-261h 59Digitale Leute
Digitale LeuteDL Insights - 40 - Pipedrive's CTO about exponential growth and his learnings at SkypeABOUT THIS EPISODE In this episode, Sergei Anikin provides us deep insides, at one hand historically, when he shares his experiences with Skype going through the hands of eBay and Microsoft. And on the other hand, concerning Pipedrive’s development, as he sheds light on how the company was able to healthy grow exponentially and maintain great product quality at the same time. ABOUT THE HOST Oliver Thylmann is a serial entrepreneur based in Cologne, Germany. He is the co-founder of Giant Swarm, a 60-person SaaS company providing managed microservice infrastructure to big enterprises. ABOUT THE PODCAST Digitale Leute Insights is...
2020-09-021h 07Digitale Leute
Digitale LeuteDL Insights - 18 - Dana Lawson, VP Eingineering at GitHubABOUT THIS EPISODE - About Dana's tech career, especially how she started in the US Military around the turn of the millennium in an all-female team - Definition of the role of a VP Engineering. - How to manage the reliability of Githubs services on the one hand and being able to try out new stuff on the other. - Who fixes features when they break. - How Github prioritize feature development. Do feature requests from paying customers receive a different treatment than those from free users? - What the road map for Github is. - What trends Dana sees...
2019-09-0250 minDigitale Leute
Digitale LeuteDL Insights - 16 - Daniel Eichten, Senior Director Platform Engineering at AdidasABOUT THIS EPISODE In this episode, you will learn: - How Adidas e-commerce revenue went up from 40 Million to 4 billion Euro. [00:02:07] - How platform engineering made the old platform five times more scalable and how to reduce P1s to zero with little changes. - How they started replacing the old system with new apps which can withstand one million sales in 48 hours. [00:07:31] - How they went full-in on Kubernetes first at one market, re-architecting the solution, improve caching and rolling it out to more and more markets. [00:23:24] - How to decide whether you build the solution on your own...
2019-07-251h 12Digitale Leute
Digitale LeuteDL Insights - 09 - hosted By Oliver Thylmann - CTO of Typeform about scaling up to 200 employeesABOUT THIS EPISODE In this episode our host Oliver Thylmann, co-founder of Giant Swarm, interviews Typeform’s CTO Jason Harmon to find out how Typeforms infrastructure is scaled and how the company dealt with growing up to over 200 employees. SHOWNOTES: https://www.digitale-leute.de/interview/podcast-episode-9-jason-harmon-cto-at-typeform-about-scaling-up-to-200-employees/ ABOUT THE PODCAST Digitale Leute Insights is the podcast for passionate product people. We interview product developers from around the world and take a closer look at their tools and tactics. ABOUT OLIVER Oliver is a serial entrepreneur based in Cologne, Germany. He is the co-founder of Giant Swarm, a 30-person SaaS co...
2019-02-2752 minGeekstammtisch
GeekstammtischGST017 - developer-whisperer.DLLMit Oliver Thylmann (@othylmann) über Gründung (in Köln), Start-Ups und die Firma der Zukunft Wir sprechen mit Oliver Thylmann über Köln als Gründerstadt, Gründungen im Allgemeinen, die Firma der Zukunft und und und. Dabei schweifen wir (also Oli) immer wieder mal ab, haben uns dann aber doch ganz gut im Zaum gehalten und ein gutes zeitiges Ende gefunden. Vielen Dank an @luebken für die Shownotes!
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