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Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceEpisode 1 - Bachelor in Paradise (2025)We're baaaaaaack and brief as ever! We basically had nothing to say about how excited we are that paradise is back and all the crazy changes and who the cast is. Honestly we didn't really care and had no opinions it's pretty whatever to us. PSYCH. WE HAVE SO MANY THOUGHTS AND WANT TO TELL YOU ALL OF THEM. We hope you are looking forward to joining us for another fabulous BIP season on the beaches of Mexico. Sorry. Costa Rica. Also Grace decided to try a new audio...2025-07-171h 54Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceFantasy Suites - The Bachelor (Grant)Anders isn't part of this episode and we're as disappointed as you are about it. We hope you enjoy the episode anyway, at least as best you can given the circumstances. We yet again have questions for production this episode, such as, why did you do that? Will you hire us? And what did Zoe ever do to you? xoxo Grace and Liv2025-03-261h 27Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWomen Tell All - The Bachelor (Grant)Well this is what we get for being excited for Women Tell All. Disappointment. Liv and Grace were not always on the same side this episode because they were on different team. Liv's team = reasonable in terms of right and wrongGrace's team = what makes a good storyline for TVUnfortunately everyone lost because it was not interesting TV nor was any justice served. They basically didn't even show Chloie! What was the point??2025-03-201h 12Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 4 - The Bachelor (Grant)We are absolutely cruising through this season! Did you know there's only one episode left before hometowns?? WTF?? This episode we truly never knew what was coming next. There is a new playbook in use and someone forgot to loop us in. The world is entirely falling apart and maybe we shouldn't be taking comfort in a show that is truly returning to it's heteronormative patriarchal ways with this season, but it's too late and you can't stop us!!! (cue laughter mixed with screaming)xoxox Liv and Grace2025-02-261h 13Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 2 - The Bachelor (Grant)Well, it's that time of year again. The time of year when Grace is working on a play and therefore our recording schedule gets completely out of whack. Also when her watching schedule gets completely out of whack. We are nevertheless going to try our darnedest to get episodes out as quickly as we can!! Continue to stay tuned, we haven't forgotten about you we promise.xoxo Grace and Liv2025-02-131h 19Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceThe question game with Grant's cast (ft. Mason Lok!!)Okay we are SO back this time!! We biffed it on recapping the Golden Bachelor and we will be the first to admit it, but we can and will do better! That resolution starts with our favorite pre-season tradition, the question game with Mason Lok! As usual, he knows nothing about the show, we know too much! We're the perfect combination.
Another resolution Grace has is to stop saying "like" so much. Hate to sound like a boomer, but it is truly horrifying to listen back to.
Check out the ABC cast bios to follow...2025-01-261h 11Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceFantasy Suites (and a little MTA) - The Bachelorette (Jenn)Hi team, so sorry this is late!! Grace ran into some very minor computer issues, but all is well now. Please enjoy this slightly rushed recap of Fantasy Suites and the main highlights of Men Tell All. We did suffer through it this time around, and you know we HATE to do that! We wish Jenn's top 3 were not in fact her top 3 but what can you do?? Justice for Hakeem!!! 2024-09-051h 29Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceThe Bachelorette - Hometowns (Jenn)Guys Jenn could have chemistry with a rock (aka Marcus). She had us giggling and kicking our feet all episode! If only there was a guy who actually wanted to be there besides maybe Devin, then everything would be perfect! In this recap Grace would like to fight Jeremy's family and Liv would like to tell you the exact longitude and latitude of Marcus and Jenn's Tacoma date.
Thanks as always for listening, and we are already DYING to talk fantasy suites with you!!!!!
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Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceFantasy Suites - The Bachelor (Joey) (Anders' Version)Guys we may have actually Mandela Effected ourselves. Both Liv and Grace have a distinct memory of a shot of Joey and Rachel making out in front of a waterfall being present in trailers for this season. However, when we went back, we cannot seem to find it??? We may be losing it, but thankfully we have our fantasy suite faithful guest Anders to hold us down. 2024-03-161h 21Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceHometowns - The Bachelor (Joey)In this week's episode Liv and Grace continue to express uneducated medical opinions, and you as the audience will learn that despite the fact that that Grace #believesscience she cannot bring herself to believe in supplements or anemia. On the subject of Joey, hometowns was a fun episode! Crazy stuff happened! Andy bet all the napkins! 2024-03-091h 09Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 7 -The Bachelor (Joey)Okay we're SORRY this is late. We actually recorded it at a very punctual time, but Grace was feeling unmotivated and did not get around to editing it until now. And if we're being honest she didn't give it her all. Hopefully she didn't miss any juicy secrets she was supposed to cut out.... You'll just have to listen and see.... Is this a new baiting tactic we're trying to get people to listen to the podcast...? Now that's one secret we'll never tell.
xoxo 2024-03-051h 10Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 6 - The Bachelor (Joey)A succinct and efficient weekly recap for you all! Not sure what sped us along so quickly this week, it may have been the threat of danger coming from the yellowjacket in Grace's room. We remain delighted with this season, and thoroughly stumped as to who will be making it to hometowns! We cannot wait to watch LIVE and TOGETHER for the next episode and hope to have this coming week's recap out very soon. Thanks as always for listening. xoxo2024-02-2659 minWrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 1 - The Bachelor (Joey)Guys, we love Joey. We love him. It's no surprise that this episode boosted ratings for the first time in years because we are CHARMED. Charmed by him, charmed by Daisy, absolutely blown away by Lea, weirded out by Lauren, etc. This is already shaping up to be an amazing season of the bachelor and we cannot wait to keep watching Joey on his journey to find love. Which we hope he doesn't end up finding so he can be Grace's plus one to Liv's wedding... 2024-01-311h 10Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceJoey's Cast Bios Question Game (ft. Mason Lok!)It's the start of a new season and you know what that means! It's time for a special pre season episode with everyone's favorite non-bachelor watcher, Mason Lok! We answer such burning questions as, who is the meanest to waiters? Who definitely drives a Prius? And much, much more! (You know Liv wouldn't let us out of one of theses episodes without asking who is most likely to be a magical creature...)
If you'd like to follow along with us, the ABC cast bios that we used to record this are linked here. If...2024-01-231h 18Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceFINALE!!! - BIP (2023)Oh boy. Not going to lie to you guys, this episode has a weird energy. Mostly we are bummed at such a lame an unsatisfying end to what used to be the best part part of the franchise. Then Grace gets weirdly worked up and angry in the middle kind of about nothing? Then we transition to whining about it being boring, finishing off the episode by trying to bring the vibes back up for Joey. What can we say? This episode sucked and this season was poorly designed. That's not our fault, they didn't ask our opinion! Should...2023-12-191h 27Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 9 - BIP (2023)Okay so it took us a while to record this. And then it took Grace even longer to edit and publish it. What do you want from us??? We are not machines! Sleep is an activity now! Anyways, we think all episode of the bachelor should actually just be one hour because this was a tasty little treat this week. Join us as we continue to ride the sinking ship that is this season of bachelor in paradise all the way to the ocean floor. 2023-12-121h 01Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 8 - BIP (2023)You guys, we were feeling a little narcissistic this episode so why not lean in for the episode description and tell you that we feel this was one of our best recaps of the season. We were on fire! Or maybe just delirious from hunger! Only you can be the judge! Please enjoy and try not to judge our (Grace's) inflated sense of self too much. xoxo 2023-11-211h 12Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 7 - BIP (2023)We're not going to lie to you guys. We're not doing well. Daylight Savings Time really hit us right in the seasonal depression and it shows. If you listen to this episode and you're like "dang this kind of sounds like a cry for help," that's because it is a little bit OKAY?? Also sorry for the weird echo-y noise this week, both of our mics were picking up a little of the other person and Grace tried her best to fix it, but again, the seasonal depression meant she only cared enough to try a certain amount. If...2023-11-131h 07Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 6 - BIP (2023)Has a recap podcast episode literally e v e r been this punctual??? (don't answer that). A good but mostly uneventful episode (Grace only had 2.5 pages of notes), but it set us up with great success for shit to hopefully hit the fan this coming week. We are dying for a rose ceremony over here, and even more we are dying for more Charity screen time!! Can't wait to see how it all pans out... 2023-11-071h 21Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 2 - BIP (2023)Look if there's one thing I'm not gonna do (this is Grace speaking), it's edit and post these episodes in a timely manner. I'M SORRY OKAY. I know it's very delayed but it is technically being released before the next week's episode airs (on the west coast). Please enjoy our recap of week 2, and best of luck opening your champagne bottles. Always remember, you could never be worse at it than Avan.2023-10-131h 38Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 1 - BIP (2023)Bachelor in Paradise is back and so are we!!! Overall we started this season off not with a bang, but with more of a... I don't know, something pitiful. It wasn't the most exciting first episode, but Paradise never disappoints, and if the previews are anything to go off of, we are in for a killer season. We can't wait to see what happens, who else shows up on the beach, and how many more people Grace will fully have forgot existed! 2023-10-041h 29Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 5 - The Bachelorette (Charity)It's almost hometowns and we're in New Orleans and the drama is at a tasteful simmer. Nothing is boiling over just yet, but you can just tell it's about to. We had two lovely one on one dates this episode that had us blushing and kicking our feet (Joey if you don't ride off into the sunset with Charity, please give Grace a call), and two awkward group dates that accomplished nothing. This week we learned more about how much we love Joey and Dotun, we began to grow skeptical of Xavier, and frankly just felt bad for Tanner...2023-07-291h 16Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 3 - The Bachelorette (Charity)For the first time ever, Grace was more right about who someone looked like than Liv! This will never happen again so savor this historic moment. Who is this mysterious someone? We're not going to tell you so we guess you'll just have to listen to the episode... This episode contained a Barbie themed date, so you KNOW we were invested! And of course we had to cover our Warwick conspiracy theories. Thanks as always for listening! xoxo 2023-07-121h 24
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 4 - The Bachelor (Zach)The cast of the Bachelor has traveled to the Bahamas this week, and we would also like to go to there. Or skiing. Or basically anywhere that isn't moving or doing a two show day on a Saturday. This week we discussed whether Kat's date to snorkel with sculptures was scary (Grace) or cool (Liv), and get to engage in our first real Wrong Reasons™️ discourse of the season. Zach continues to frankly do a good job of being the bachelor, and we are having a very nice time watching this season. Can't wait to see what disasters lie in s...2023-02-201h 23Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 3 - The Bachelor (Zach)We hope you tuned into this podcast for a 20 minute breakdown of how similar or dissimilar Megan Fox and Angelina Jolie look, because if not you are out of luck. It does not help that Liv is uncommonly good at recognizing facial characteristics, while Grace is uncommonly bad at that. Please do not judge us for the fact that we genuinely called Zach genuine multiple times in this episode. we don't like it either. Join us to discuss the age old question of whether a museum or sky diving date brings you closer, and a very sexy pool party.2023-02-131h 36Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 2 - The Bachelor (Zach)You know what team, we don't really know what to say here. We recorded this on Monday because of Grace's crazy schedule and we're publishing it on Thursday yet again because of Grace's crazy schedule. This week was not a winner for us personally #survivingnotthriving. Please enjoy this ep, at this point we can't even remember what we talked about. We're going to try harder next week lol. 2023-02-101h 36Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceFINALE- BIP (2022) (ALSO OUR 100TH EPISODE WHAAAT??)You guys holy shit. Grace just decided for kicks to check how many episodes we had before she published this and it turns out this is our ONE HUNDREDTH FREAKING EPISODE?? Imagine if she'd checked after like 3 more episode lol. It feels so fitting for this milestone to fall on a Bachelor in Paradise finale episode. There's so much to cover and we wish the episode had honestly been 2 hours longer (don't tell ABC or Jesse Palmer that we said that), but we did our best to fit everything in. Thank god we didn't know at the time this was...2022-12-011h 59Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 9, Episode 1 - BIP (2022)Shoutout to Grace's dad for letting her use his phone to record this podcast, and we especially appreciate the restraint he showed in only coming silently into the room to indicate he wanted it back once. If he really wanted his phone back then he shouldn't have been such a loving and generous father during her childhood because now she thinks she can walk all over him (she did not give the phone back). We just want to be upfront and say this episode is primarily recap and less analysis. We ended up saying goodbye to most of our...2022-11-231h 17Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 8, Episode 1 - BIP (2022)What is worse: being a human taco, human burrito, or human churro? If you're not sure what exactly that means, don't worry. We discuss it at great, great length in this episode of the podcast. It is one of very few issues where Liv and Grace are on very different sides of the argument. Other prime examples of issues where they are split are the attractiveness of 6th movie Ron Weasley, Mr. Tumnus, and how to go about cutting a lemon. Pretty much nothing good happened this episode, so if you enjoy our commentary when we hate things then...2022-11-191h 36Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 6, Episode 2 - BIP (2022)Welcome to our podcast about Grace's relationship with Liv's Grandma, our thoughts on prenups, and if we would spend $100,000 on a dog. Oh wait, did you come here to hear about Bachelor in Paradise? We're pretty sure we also talked about that... Just kidding, of course we talked about it! You're gonna hand us Hayden saying crazy stuff on a silver platter and not expect us to do a deep dive into that one? You're gonna have us watch not one, but two, absolutely wild Aaron and Genevive fights and not expect us to do a complete analysis of...2022-11-081h 26Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 3, Episode 1 - BIP (2022)This week Liv and Grace break down several pressing questions. Is Ashley and Jared's presence annoying? Did Sierra come on to strong? Would you rather get in a fight with Justin or Logan? We know those have been keeping you up at night and so we have answers for you! The answers are primarily that being a human is complicated and there's no right way to exist in social situations. That being said there are a lot of wrong ways, and we plan on pointing them out. Thanks for following along with our slightly chaotic BIP recording schedule, and...2022-10-161h 10Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceGabby and Rachel Season Recap!! (and a bunch of other stuff)Alright you guys, you got us. We did an absolutely shit job recapping this season, by which we mean we did not do it at all. In our defenses they don't get the Bachelorette in Europe, which is where Grace was for most of the season, and Liv is also very busy and hot and cool doing her own stuff. We promise to do better for Bachelor In Paradise. We mostly feel confident in that promise because BIP is actually fun, unlike the joyless, time suck that was this season. In this episode we discuss all the problematic themes...2022-09-231h 28Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceGabby and Rachel's Bachelorette Premiere!WE HAVE TEA. Hi everyone, guess what, this recording is LATE because Grace decided to be a jerk and go on a vacation and also Liv is now editing the episodes so please feel free to direct all complaints to her, but keep in mind that she currently has 335 unread text messages. This episode was a wild ride, from literally no one (including the producers) being prepared to run this season, to a man absolutely not following forklift PROCEDURE, to an extremely embarrassing and brutal elimination, this may yet prove to be the MoST dRamAtIC sEAsOn EvEr?!!!
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Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceThe Question Game (in which we welcome back Mason)Hey hey hey - it's time for our favorite part of the pre-season! Making snap judgements about the people we are about to watch on TV for the next 10 weeks based on nothing but approximately 3 facts about them and how we feel about their face. And of course we couldn't do it without the expert insight of Mason Lok. He brings to the table absolutely no knowledge of the bachelor franchise (he didn't even know who Rachel and Gabby were) and a thrilling level of chaotic neutral to balance out Grace's lawful good and Liv's chaotic evil.
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Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceBachelor Nation Recap (Spring 2022)We're baaaaaack!!! Our sincere apologies for the long LONG hiatus, we knew we were going to have to take a break when Grace got jaw surgery, but no one could have predicted the shit show that followed. As the hardware has finally been mostly removed from her mouth, and she has been given the go ahead to speak without clenching her teeth together, we were finally able to get recording again. However, so many big things have happened in the world of the bachelor franchise since we last recorded that we didn't feel like we could just jump right...2022-06-1443 minWrong Reasons with Liv and GraceIT'S OUR 2ND ANNIVERSARYYou're telling us we've been doing this podcast for two years??? Is this a joke?? We have now recapped 7 full seasons of this show (6 if you don't count Listen to Your Heart, which maybe we shouldn't...) and done plenty of fun stuff during the off seasons. The second year of Wrong Reasons brought us Bachelor Bookclub and The Question Game (feat. Mason Lok) - two of our absolute favorite types of episodes. We have had so much fun continuing to get creative and weird with this podcast, and have plenty more fun ideas for this coming year. As always...2022-04-1741 minWrong Reasons with Liv and GraceHometowns - The Bachelor (Clayton)Has there ever been a more boring, less confrontational hometowns episode? Probably not. I mean I know we're always saying we hate unnecessary drama, but jesus they gotta give us SOMETHING. We have never seen the parents be so throughly unfussed with this whole bachelor situation, though to be fair it did mostly seem to be because they were coming at it from the position of "she's in charge of what makes her happy and we trust her to make good decisions" about their daughters, which we do appreciate. The biggest conflict this episode was between the two of...2022-03-031h 18Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 2 - The Bachelor (Clayton)If you thought Clayton was a snoozefest before... He somehow managed to lose any whisper of a personality he might have had between last week and this week. Luckily there are some interesting women on this season by which we mean Cassidy (terrible person, great TV), Elizabeth (seems like a good person, enduring emotional trauma with incredible grace on TV), and Ziwe (she's not a contestant, she was just the only other interesting person in this episode). Whoever underutilized Hilary Duff this episode should be fired, and whoever suggested Ziwe deserves a raise. In fact we'd like the two...2022-01-121h 14
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 1 - The Bachelor (Clayton) (with special guest Timothy!)This week we welcomed Grace's cousin Timothy to help us kick of Colton- we mean Clayton's season! Is Clayton boring? Yes. Is this group of women absolutely wild? Also yes. Are we going to be able to tell Clayton and Jesse apart? Definitely not. Night one is always tough because there's so many names to remember and very few story arcs, that being said multiple crazy things still went down and we can't wait to talk about them with you!2022-01-061h 24
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceThe Question Game (with special guest Mason)First of all, so sorry if the audio is a little weird in the beginning - having three people all on zoom trying to hear each other and sync their recordings can be a bit challenging sometimes.
Welcome back to the question game, with one of our absolutely favorite people to have on the pod: Mason! Please enjoy us haphazardly answering questions based on the bios of all the women lining up to win Clayton's heart. We did varying levels of prep (from most to least: Grace, Mason, Liv), but we also have varying l...2022-01-041h 29Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceHometowns - The Bachelorette (Michelle)Rodney was ROBBED. Not of Michelle's heart, but of the position of Bachelor and worst of all of his brand!!!! ABC we are absolutely furious with you on behalf of the angel that is Rodney - you do not deserve him! That being said this was an absolutely lovely hometowns episode, not a thing to complain about the whole way through basically. Grace would like to eat her words - she has no problem admitting she was wrong and the Bachelorette is much better than the Bachelor. Not looking forward to IMPOSTER Clayton's season after the triumph that is...2021-12-051h 18Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 6 - The Bachelorette (Michelle)Wow Grace cannot WAIT to talk about Martin's behavior this week with her therapist. Other that that steaming pile of garbage masquerading as a human, we have got to give it up for Michelle's final 6! Not a bad guy in the bunch! This week we were primarily just charmed. And we are prepared to remain charmed as we head into hometowns which is somehow next week?? 2021-12-011h 29Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 4 - The Bachelorette (Michelle)First and foremost Grace would like to apologize for how sicky she sounds. She really didn't think it was that bad until she was editing and heard her 1 million sniffles. We do still recommend listening despite her snotty voice, as this was yet another stellar episode of the bachelorette. We have a lot of thoughts about the men of this season, a lot of fashion critiques, a lot of slightly bitchy analogies, and plenty of positive thoughts as well. As has been the case with every episode so far this season, there were multiple really good conversations worth hearing...2021-11-121h 16Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 3 - The Bachelorette (Michelle)Michelle continues to reign supreme as the greatest lead of all time who could ever exist. We are nearly as smitten with her as this cast of men, possibly even more so. If we're being perfectly honest we talked for at least 30 minutes before even getting to what happened on the show this episode, so we kind of sped through some things - but we hit all the important parts. At this point in the season the main point of contention between Liv and Grace is how sexy is Rodney? Is he friendzone material or not? Would you be...2021-11-081h 33Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 2 - The Bachelorette (Michelle)You guys Michelle is so good at her job!!! Both as a teacher and as the bachelorette!!! She handled every situation in this episode like a champ, and what a good episode it was! It had the perfect amount of drama in all the right ways, 2 group dates, a one-on-one, a cocktail party, and a rose ceremony. We really can't say enough good things (which is why the episode is long again lol whoops). We also talked about all the drama happening in bachelor nation right now and Grace embarrassing herself in front of her boss. 2021-10-291h 34Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 5 - BIP (2021)If this whole episode was just Aaron and his "big facts" we would not have had any complaints. However it had Brendan being a dickwad and some toe sucking so we do in fact have complaints. We hoped this would be the last episode where we had to discuss dickwad Brendan, but alas that seems like it will not be the case. Keep tuning in to hear the rest of our thoughts on Paradise, because after this week we only have two episodes left!!!! 2021-09-171h 34Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 4, Part 2 - BIP (2021)So the drama did in fact continue on Tuesday this week, but we only got resolution to 1 out of the 3 crazy storylines from Monday! The rest was just new drama! And the preview for next week looks even crazier than this week!! We're not sure how much more we can handle!!!! It was almost enough good TV to make Grace forget we have now gone a full week without a rose ceremony. almost... (she's still pissed). 2021-09-091h 07Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 4, Part 1 - BIP (2021)The theme of this episode was "lie better"!!! If you are going to insult us and Natasha with your shoddy plans that no one seems to be on the same page about, you could at least have the decency to come up with better lies about it?? But alas we have learned that sweet, innocent seeming Brendan is actually the fuckiest of boys who lacks even a shred of empathy. Oh how the mighty have fallen (to see exactly how far check out @bachelordata). This was another wild episode, and we are in for another wild one coming up...2021-09-081h 41Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 3, Part 2 - BIP (2021)What an episode! It is absolutely insane how no one knows how to talk to each other. For the second episode in a row every relationship is falling apart. However, Becca K and Kendall are both even hotter than we remembered so that's neat. We continue to be tired of Demi. 2021-09-061h 00Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 3, Part 1 - BIP (2021)Oh my god you guys, sorry for such a long episode, but this week was bananas! Also we were both super tired so it is possible that our train of thought kept wandering, but mostly there was so much to cover! People getting together, break-ups and almost no make-ups. Honestly Mari throwing a cake in a fire is one of the less dramatic things that happened if you ask us. And frankly we found that irritating - much like Tre and Riley we thought it seemed like a waste of cake. 2021-09-031h 30Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 2, Part 2 - BIP (2021)The theme of this episode was apparently sex appeal. Thomas and Riley both entered the beach looking sexy as hell. Thomas once again proved he has a 0/10 personality and is not long for paradise, but Riley once again out did himself with being a fucking amazing person. Could we handle all that sincerity and eye contact in a relationship? Absolutely not. But we are delighted for anyone who can. However, despite all the sexiness on the beach this week it was still easy to pick out the best couple: Tahzjuan and her crab. 2021-08-271h 08Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 2, Part 1 - BIP (2021)Paradise is in full swing now babes, with two episodes a week! How are we to keep up? Don't worry, we'll spare you from having to watch 4 full hours of tv per week if you instead just listen to 2 full hours of our podcast per week instead! (We're only getting slightly better at keeping it concise). This week the ones who stood out were those who don't know how to play the game (looking at you Brendan and Kelsey). Tammy seems to be taking over as the new queen of paradise and we are certainly not going to stop...2021-08-261h 05Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 1 - BIP (2021)Paradise is back and better than ever babyyyyy!!! This week was just episode one and it already proved why BIP is everyone's favorite part of the franchise! We were excited to welcome back old favorites and to see old least favorites get ignored by a beach full of hot people. We can't wait to see what's next and watch a full 4 hours of bachelor content every week. Also I am not sure what producer figured out or made the Tahzjuan/Tre's Uncle thing happen - but they deserve to make more money than Mike Fleiss (I mean everyone does...2021-08-181h 22Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceFINALE - The Bachelorette (Katie)MESSY MESS MESS are the eloquent words we would choose to describe this episode. But it's over y'all, we made it through another season, and we did it together which is the important part. This episode did not need to be three hours, but we had a lot to say on the things that happened in it so this is still a long recap, sorry that's our bad. Overall this was a very watchable season until the very end, when it became, as we said, a MESSY MESS MESS. But hey, now that that's over we can get back...2021-08-121h 43
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceHometowns - The Bachelorette (Katie)40 minutes of fun, an hour and 20 minutes of a big time bummer. This could describe either this episode of the Bachelorette or this episode of our podcast. Sorry it's so long this week, we blame Gaslight Gatekeep Greg. 2021-08-052h 03Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 8 - The Bachelorette (Katie)WE WERE TRICKED. This was not hometowns, this was bamboozlement! We only got 20 minutes of Michael A. and then had to watch a whole hour and 40 minutes of Men Tell All (well it would have been an hour and 40 minutes except our wifi kept going out for long chunks of time so it was really more of a whoosie-whatsits of time). Highlights include the sweet angel baby that is Michael, Andrews extraordinary masterclass in how to be the Bachelor, and Tayshia and Kaitlyn lookin smoking hot as always. Lowlights include Connor B being a general disappointment. 2021-07-291h 09Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 7 - The Bachelorette (Katie)Hometowns are next week??? Somehow hometowns always sneak up on us! But you know what they mean - lots of men telling a girl how much their moms will love her. They can't all love her, that's not how it works. One or more of them have to be lying. This episode was fine, but was honestly mostly a vessel to get us through to our FINAL FOUR BABYYY! Lucky for you guys our recaps are always 🔥🔥🔥 regardless of the quality of the episode so you are in for another treat with this one. Don't forget to rate and review. 😘...2021-07-231h 20Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 6 - The Bachelorette (Katie)This week was about honesty and sacrifice... For us, not for the contestants. For the contestants this week was about complaining about not getting to jerk off and making fun of Hunter for being short and liking The Bachelor. Not a cute look you guys. Also we'd like to lodge a formal complaint with whoever creates the day of promos for this franchise. Telling us this week would have FIVE SURPRISE EXITS was a BLATANT LIE and we got excited for no reason! This is like when they made us think the fence jump was always going to be...2021-07-151h 21Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 5 - The Bachelorette (Katie)In an embarrassing turn of events we are very much enjoying ourselves this season. Blake is meh, Greg is meh, Connor is meh, but Michael is amazing and so are Andrew and Justin. Does LITERALLY ANYONE in charge here understand the definition of sex positivity, I feel like we have to ask this every week. That being said, stoked for the rest of the season, everyone seems like they sob at least once.
@wrongreasons_podcast2021-07-071h 33Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 4 - The Bachelorette (Katie)Seattle is in the middle of a heat wave and we are tired and sweaty!! But that didn’t stop us from watching this episode from the safety of a dark room with AC. Compared to last week, this episode felt like kind of slow going, especially with a group date that they completely copy/pasted from Tayshia’s season. However the rose ceremony was truly shocking and we finally got to see see the long awaited arrival of Blake! Now the true question is Blake: hotter or notter from the last time we saw him?2021-06-301h 16Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 3 - The Bachelorette (Katie)Sorry this is a long one folks, we have a lot to say - mostly about the Bachelorette! This week was full of must-consume media with Rachel Lindsay's New York Magazine article and this episode. Rachel's article reminded us that we need to be conscious consumers of what storylines we are being fed by the Bachelor producers, and we are going to work on doing our best to provide wholistic recaps to try and see through what is simply being presented to us. That being said we love Michael and f*ck you Thomas. This is an Aaron and...2021-06-231h 34Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 2 - The Bachelorette (Katie)This week we are obsessed with Justin, Andrew S., and in a shocking turn of events... Aaron? We have maintained our medium stance on Greg, and Cody and Karl give us the heebie jeebies. Honestly gotta give it up, this was a mostly fun episode to watch and many of the men made surprisingly reasonable decisions. Is this potentially the most watchable season of the Bachelorette since who even knows when? Only time will tell!
If you wanna be nice pleeeeeease rate and review us on Apple Podcasts we will love you forever. And follow us on i...2021-06-171h 29Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 1 - The Bachelorette (Katie)We were told that "Marty brings the party" but instead Marty just brought a bag of rocks.... Happy Bachelorette season premiere to all who celebrate! And to those who don't, thanks for tuning in anyways. We were pleasantly surprised for the most part about how well this episode went, and about how few of these men we genuinely hated. Maybe we're just turning into happier, more understanding people, or maybe it's maybelline. We're looking forward to the rest of this season and hope you'll follow along with us as we recap Katie's journey to find love.
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Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceThe Question Game with Liv (Grace is also there) (and Mason)We know we've talked a lot about a person named Mason on past episodes, this is not that same Mason! (We talk about Liv's boyfriend Mason Carter pretty frequently, but this is Mason Lok, our friend from college™). Katie's reign as Bachelorette is about to begin and we'll be back to our regularly scheduled content, but we wanted to squeeze in one more off season episode before then. This week we get to know the men of the upcoming season a little better with Liv's favorite game! We know we covered some of this in a prior episode, but he...2021-06-051h 15
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceBachelor Book Club - Diamonds + HeartsFor this episode we were delighted to welcome Jay and Jasmine (who host their own pod titled A Working Woman and Her Dumb Friend - check it out)! This poetic memoir from Chris Siegfriend (with a little help from Desiree Hartsock) would have been truly incredible satire, if it was in fact satire. Unfortunately the author seems to be taking himself incredibly seriously, meaning that instead of being funny this book is just truly baffling. But, if you've ever thought "hey, I love minor league baseball and poetry - I wish someone would combine those two things" this is certainly...2021-05-301h 05
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceBachelor Book Club - I Didn't Come Here to Make FriendsWelcome to Bachelor Book Club, where we read almost exclusively terrible books by members of the bachelor franchise. This week we discussed possibly the only not terrible book in this genre, and that's only depending on how you look at it. I Didn't Come Here to Make Friends: Confessions of a Reality Show Villain by Courtney Robertson is a hilarious, shocking and wild read - and if you don't want to take our word for it just ask Anders! We were so happy to have literary and Bachelor scholar, Anders, back on the show this week to talk about...2021-04-271h 55Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceIT'S OUR ANNIVERSARY (happy 1 year to us!!)It's our freaking one year anniversary, can you believe that?? When we sat down with Max, a broken leg, and the start of a global pandemic last April we had no idea what we were doing or what to expect. Now we only kind of have an idea of what we're doing, but doing this podcast for the past year has been an absolute blast. We are so grateful to everyone and anyone who listens to the nonsense we've been spewing and we intend to keep doing it! For this episode we just wanted to have a good time...2021-04-1629 min
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceBachelor Book Club - A Perfect LetterWelcome to Bachelor Book Club, where we read almost exclusively terrible books by members of the bachelor franchise. To start us off we obviously had to go with A Perfect Letter by stupid Chris Harrison. Before you get any ideas, this episode is IN NO WAY an endorsement of this book or Chris Harrison. This was an awful book, please don't waste your time reading it. Really. Don't. That being said we still had a blast discussing it because we were joined by the lovely Claire Jones (expert on both reading and reality TV)! We had a lot to...2021-04-101h 50
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceKatie's Mens with Emma and Neco!Welcome to the off season, where we scramble to fill our time and the hole in our lives left by the absence of Bachelor Mondays. This week we welcomed Emma and Neco to go over the men who will be joining Katie's season of the Bachelorette. We cannot promise we stayed on topic all the time, or even most of the time, but we had a good time (and hopefully you will too!) Here is a link to the article we were going off of in this episode description so you can follow along and look at the photos...2021-04-011h 38Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceFINALE - The Bachelor (Matt)Matt James deserved better than this finale. We have so enjoyed watching him this season and it made us very sad to see his journey come to a close like this. That being said Emmanuel Acho absolutely destroyed as host of After the Final Rose and we want him to come back every time! The bachelorette announcement was also very exciting and gave us a little flicker of hope, but there are still a million and one problems with the bachelor franchise, and if we are going to keep watching this show it is also our responsibility as viewers...2021-03-171h 51
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceFantasy Suites - The Bachelor (Matt)Other than the problematic airing of a deeply personal conversation between Matt and his father this really felt like the most boring fantasy suites week in a while. And Rachel's episode long breakdown was not what we needed to make it more engaging. That is why we were so glad to welcome Anders back to the pod this week because he can make any subject entertaining!
Also we had many difficulties this episode, technical and not technical, so please bear with us as Grace is not a professional editor! That being said I think she did a p...2021-03-121h 24Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWomen Tell All - The Bachelor (Matt)Grace and Liv discuss Taylor Nolan's tweets, as well as the least dramatic Women Tell All in Bachelor history (that they somehow managed to make two hours long). Also yay Brittany!
We mentioned in the episode that we would link some accounts of people who have been contributing to the discussion surrounding the current situation with Taylor Nolan. However most people who we saw who commented on the situation put things on their stories that have since gone away. However we still wanted to link these accounts as they are people who have been leading a...2021-03-031h 40Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceHometowns - The Bachelor (Matt)Big news loyal listeners - we are in love... with Michelle's parents! And also Michelle. And also Bri's mom. And also everyone's family except Rachel's. Whoops. Overall a stellar Hometowns episode, it wasn't able to rival Tayshia's but that's an unrealistic standard to hold any episode to. We'd say we're looking forward to recapping Fantasy Suites for you but unfortunately we have to suffer through Women Tell All (gag) first, so I guess we'll see you next week for that shit show. 2021-02-251h 15Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 7 - The Bachelor (Matt)More happened on this episode than the entire rest of the season combined. If they think having two rose ceremonies is going to get them back into our good graces, they're gonna have to do a lot better than that! Also, in an embarrassing turn of events.... Heather... Finally, in very exciting news - we get to crown our sexy #5 of this season (the only position that matters) (we're not talking about sex get your mind out of the gutter)!2021-02-201h 26Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 6 - The Bachelor (Matt)Fire Chris Harrison. We do recap this week's episode (sorry we're so late), but first we get into Chris Harrison's recent Extra interview with Rachel Lindsay about Rachael Kirkconnell and the discussions about race that it sparked in Bachelor Nation this week. Accountability is not the same thing as cancel culture.
Petition to remove Chris Harrison from the Bachelor Franchise: https://www.change.org/p/abc-remove-chris-harrison-from-the-bachelor-franchise
Rachel Lindsay Abasolo: @therachlindsay
The Blckchellorettes: @theblckchelorettes
Taylor Nolan: @taymocha
Two Black Girls, One Rose: @2blackgirls1rose
Higher Learning Podcast: @ringer2021-02-131h 18
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 5 - The Bachelor (Matt)Liv, Grace, and special guest Anders tackle the epic highs and lows of high school volleyball (just kidding, but MJ was totally captain of the team). We bid a satisfying and joyful farewell to Anna and Victoria, and are bored out of our skulls by an episode primarily about Rachel and Kit. Maybe that's why we went on so many tangents. Join us as Liv goes on a journey of discovery - whether it's bcc or what a red bottomed Louboutin signifies. 2021-02-051h 31Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 4 - The Bachelor (Matt)Liv & Grace have a bad time with a bunch of dickheads on this episode. Update: we hate Anna and we don't know how we feel about basically anyone else except for Katie. This mob mentality shit has GOTTA GO!!! We don't happen to think that Brittany is an escort, but if she was it wouldn't matter. Sex work is real work. 2021-01-271h 23Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 3 - The Bachelor (Matt)Grace & Liv go on 79 tangents but still somehow make it through the episode. The main character of this episode was definitely the donkey we forgot to talk about. Also if anyone is interested in joining our Bachelor Book Club we're starting a reading list.2021-01-201h 21Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 2 - The Bachelor (Matt)Grace & Liv complain about Victoria for a long time, just like everyone else in the episode. They are also pleasantly surprised by the number of seemingly chill and articulate participants who also happen to be incredibly hot. 2021-01-131h 24Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 1 - The Bachelor (Matt)We're back bitches!!!! Did you miss us? You better have, it's been a whole week! Please join us as we experience Matt James' journey to find love with one of the 32 fucking women ABC cast this season. We like Anna and Bri and some other people and will be mourning the loss of Alicia until we inevitably see her in paradise (are you listening Mike Fleiss??). 2021-01-061h 20
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceFINALE - The Bachelorette (Tayshia)Well we made it folks. To the end of the season that first destroyed and then renewed our faith in the bachelor franchise. It also gave us one of our most favorite new bachelor couples to date (congrats Tayshia and Zac 2020-12-291h 32Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceFantasy Suites - The Bachelorette (Tayshia)We are back on board the loving the bachelorette train!! This episode was totally predictable and we enjoyed every minute of it! Can't wait to see how the season wraps up!!! (well Liv already watched the finale and Grace accidentally saw spoilers but you get the point...)2020-12-241h 01Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceHometowns - The Bachelorette (Tayshia)Liv and Grace will continue to be sad for the rest of the season because we love literally every single person left and just want Tayshia to marry all of them and never send any of them home. But she has to do it. And we are SAD ABOUT IT. Also everyone has terrible opinions but us about Ben. 2020-12-181h 08Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 10 - The Bachelorette (Tayshia) (and Men Tell All)First of all we love our final four guys!! Only good part of this episode!!! (Other than Riley and Jason at the Men Tell All - we love you bbs). Fun fact: the T in "MTA" actually stands for terrible - which is what this episode was.2020-12-161h 07Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 9 - The Bachelorette (Tayshia)Blake is still here??????????????????2020-12-111h 07Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 8 - The Bachelorette (Tayshia)Liv and Grace have a bad time talking about Bennet and his weird presence and presents (get it?). We stan Zac C. Send Blake home. 2020-12-031h 12Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 7 - The Bachelorette (Tayshia) (with special sibling guests!!)Joining us this week are Louise and Gio - also known as our little sisters!!! It is very cute and fun and we had a blast talking about some of our bachelor nation faves, as well as what we hated about this episode. Obviously Ivan was a shining star, but there was not much else to redeem this week. And of course the question on everyone's minds: Zach C. - Zaddy or no?2020-11-301h 37Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 6 - The Bachelorette (Tayshia)Oops this episode is very long and an unfortunate amount of time is spent on exposition about Ed and Chasen. We are very sorry, it's just that we couldn't care less about them and so we didn't have anything funny to say about the situation cause we just hate it. But we also get to talk about how much we love Joe, Liv's genius plan for becoming the Bachelorette, and also Grace gets the hiccups at one point. Enjoy! 2020-11-201h 22Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 5 - The Bachelorette (TAYSHIA! FINALLY.)In an unfortunate turn of events Grace and Liv are forced to defend Spencer (very hot) and look at multiple men in speedos (very not hot). That being said we are SO excited that Tayshia is finally the bachelorette and can't wait to finish the season with her!! (p.s. why is Kenny still on this show?)2020-11-1354 minWrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 4 - The Bachelorette (Clare and TAYSHIA?????)Clare and Dale are INSANE and finally we get a glimpse (but not enough) of Tayshia!2020-11-0756 min
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 3 - The Bachelorette (Clare)Friend of the pod and man-who-use big-word (Anders) is BACK and ready to give you the hottest takes from the latest embarrassingly bad dumpster fire of an episode.
P.S. Was Ed on the show before this episode?
P.P.S. We experienced many technical difficulties (but did not cry!) so very sorry if the audio is a little off.2020-10-291h 20
Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 2 - The Bachelorette (Clare)We love Bennet and Jason and NOTHING ELSE ABOUT THIS EPISODE. 2020-10-221h 04Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWeek 1 - The Bachelorette (Clare)The Bachelorette is FINALLY back and so are we! We're so excited to follow Clare's journey for the few short weeks she's actually on the show...2020-10-1757 minWrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWrong Reasons: Episode 6 - Listen to your Heart (FINALE!!!)Wow everyone. We thought these audio files were lost to time, but on this fine day in late February we unearthed them from the depths of our "sent" folders. We don't want to make ourselves seem over-important, but we really feel like this podcast episode is one for the history books. Why? Because HOLY SHIT WE RECORDED IT SO LONG AGO.
Here's what was going on when we recorded this episode on May 12th, 2020:
We had been in quarantine for 2 months
The filming of Clare's season of the Bachelorette was delayed due to filming (we hadn't e...2020-05-261h 01Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWrong Reasons: Episode 5 - Listen to your Heartwe're coming to a close on this series! Excitement!
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Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWrong Reasons: Episode 3 - Listen to your Heart (Feat. Anders!)We are joined today by the lovely Anders! We apologize for the delay on this episode Max's computer kept crashing.
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Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWrong Reasons: Episode 2 - Listen to your HeartA continuing debate of the new Bachelor Season.
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Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWrong Reasons: Episode 1 - Listen to your HeartIn which Liv and Grace embark on the friendship ending journey that is The Bachelor Presents: Listen to Your Heart. Are they strong and brave enough to face the music; or will they fall flat (get it)? Listen and find out!
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Wrong Reasons with Liv and GraceWrong Reasons: Episode 0 - Love is BlindTwo high quality gals (Grace Heller and Olivia Mangione) discussing low quality TV and anything else that comes to mind.
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