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At The Table with Patrick Lencioni
247. Stop Trying to Be Cool—Lead Instead
Why might being “cool” make someone a dangerous person to work for? And why are some of the greatest leaders uncool? In episode 247 of At The Table, Pat and Cody challenge the cultural obsession with being “cool” and examine how it can corrupt leadership. Using a global study that defined six traits of coolness—especially “powerful” and “hedonistic”—they reveal how these values run counter to responsible leadership. Through stories, examples, and hard truths, they make the case that great leaders are often deeply uncool—and that's precisely what makes them trustworthy.Topics Patrick Lencioni...
2025-07-22
19 min
The LeadingSmart Podcast
Ep. 10 — Staffing and Structure After the Pastoral Succession
In the final episode of Season 1, Holly and Tim wrap up the series on pastoral succession by tackling a topic that’s often overlooked—but critical: staffing and structure in a new season of leadership.Whether you're an executive pastor, board member, or senior leader, this episode will help you think clearly and strategically about what your team should look like after a new senior pastor steps in. From aligning your structure with the new leader’s strengths to preserving a healthy culture and avoiding silent staff turnover, this conversation is packed with insights you can act on.
2025-07-22
21 min
KFM On Demand
The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni - 91. It's an E Thing
What makes the Genius of Enablement (“E”) such a crucial part of team implementation?Episode 91 of the Working Genius Podcast dives into the Enablement Genius with guest Tracy Noble, Chief Development Officer at The Table Group. Pat, Cody, and Tracy explore the subtle power of Enablement—how it brings relational glue to implementation and drives team cohesion. They also unpack the differences between Enablement and people-pleasing, and how to regulate Enablement without shutting it down.Topics explored in this episode: (0:52) The Complexity of Enablement* Tracy describ...
2025-07-15
23 min
The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni
91. It's an E Thing
What makes the Genius of Enablement (“E”) such a crucial part of team implementation?Episode 91 of the Working Genius Podcast dives into the Enablement Genius with guest Tracy Noble, Chief Development Officer at The Table Group. Pat, Cody, and Tracy explore the subtle power of Enablement—how it brings relational glue to implementation and drives team cohesion. They also unpack the differences between Enablement and people-pleasing, and how to regulate Enablement without shutting it down.Topics explored in this episode: (0:52) The Complexity of Enablement* Tracy describ...
2025-07-15
23 min
Culture From the Heart
Embracing Vulnerability and Emotional Intelligence in Leadership featuring Patrick Lencioni
In this episode of Culture From the Heart Podcast, hosts Larry Levine and Darrell Amy are joined by Patrick Lencioni, founder and president of The Table Group. They discuss the importance of vulnerability in leadership and how understanding one's own heart can transform organizational culture. Patrick shares his personal journey of self-discovery and the impact it had on his life and leadership style. The conversation covers key topics such as the role of emotional intelligence, the importance of loving and understanding employees, and the significant advantages of creating a heart-centered workplace. This episode is rich with insights on fostering...
2025-07-14
31 min
At The Table with Patrick Lencioni
246. Party at the DMV: When Meta-Culture Shapes Workplace Culture
How does the broader culture of your location influence your organization’s internal culture?In episode 246 of At The Table, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore how meta-culture—the broader geographic or societal environment—shapes the internal culture of organizations. From experiences at the DMV to moving company headquarters, they share insights on how values interact with location. Topics explored in this episode: (2:44) Organizational Culture Exists Within a Larger Culture* The macro culture of a city or state can either support or resist company values.* R...
2025-07-08
15 min
KFM On Demand
The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni - 90. Uppercase vs. Lowercase Genius
How can recognizing the “lowercase” application of your Working Genius improve your contributions to projects and increase your job fulfillment?In episode 90 of the Working Genius Podcast, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore the distinction between “uppercase” and “lowercase” expressions of the six Working Geniuses. Joined by Matt Lencioni, they unpack how to apply your genius even when it's not the dominant need in a situation. Topics explored in this episode: (0:53) Introducing Uppercase and Lowercase Genius* Using your genius in its "uppercase" glory or a "lowercase" sup...
2025-07-01
20 min
The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni
90. Uppercase vs. Lowercase Genius
How can recognizing the “lowercase” application of your Working Genius improve your contributions to projects and increase your job fulfillment?In episode 90 of the Working Genius Podcast, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore the distinction between “uppercase” and “lowercase” expressions of the six Working Geniuses. Joined by Matt Lencioni, they unpack how to apply your genius even when it's not the dominant need in a situation. Topics explored in this episode: (0:53) Introducing Uppercase and Lowercase Genius* Using your genius in its "uppercase" glory or a "lowercase" sup...
2025-07-01
20 min
At The Table with Patrick Lencioni
245. Dissecting a GOAT
What are some universal traits of successful leaders that any leader in any field can emulate? In episode 245 of At The Table, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson reflect on a remarkable leader they consider one of the greatest CEOs they’ve encountered—Tony Mazzella of Mazzella Companies. Tony’s approach to leadership is rooted in humility, deep responsibility, and a relentless desire to learn, all without seeking fame or recognition. This conversation breaks down the traits that make a truly great CEO, far beyond what the public eye ever sees.Topics explored in this...
2025-06-24
16 min
KFM On Demand
The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni - 89. Understanding vs. Judging: Averting the Fundamental Attribution Error
How often do you assume someone’s behavior is a flaw in their character instead of a feature of their genius?In episode 89 of the Working Genius Podcast, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson unpack the “Fundamental Attribution Error” and how it damages relationships at work and at home. They explain how people often misjudge each other’s actions as flaws rather than features of their unique Working Genius. By walking through all six Geniuses, the hosts show how greater understanding can lead to less guilt, less judgment, and better collaboration.Topics explored in this...
2025-06-17
27 min
The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni
89. Understanding vs. Judging: Averting the Fundamental Attribution Error
How often do you assume someone’s behavior is a flaw in their character instead of a feature of their genius?In episode 89 of the Working Genius Podcast, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson unpack the “Fundamental Attribution Error” and how it damages relationships at work and at home. They explain how people often misjudge each other’s actions as flaws rather than features of their unique Working Genius. By walking through all six Geniuses, the hosts show how greater understanding can lead to less guilt, less judgment, and better collaboration.Topics explored in this...
2025-06-17
27 min
At The Table with Patrick Lencioni
244. Embracing Tension is the Key to Innovation
Are you missing out on innovation because you're avoiding discomfort? How can you embrace the tension that's required for innovation? In episode 244 of At The Table, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore the crucial link between tension and innovation. They argue that real creativity requires discomfort—whether from interpersonal friction or environmental urgency. Through personal stories and business examples, they offer practical ways to embrace conflict and drive change before crisis strikes.Topics explored in this episode: (1:14) Tension Can Be Beneficial* Innovation is universally desired but...
2025-06-10
23 min
The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni
88. MBTI Is the Noun, Working Genius Is the Verb
How can your understanding of Myers-Briggs add to your Working Genius? In episode 88 of the Working Genius Podcast, Pat and Cody dive into the relationship between Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) and the Six Types of Working Genius. They explore how MBTI describes who you are (the noun), while Working Genius describes what you do best (the verb). Through examples and insights, they show how combining both tools can improve self-awareness, team collaboration, and career decisions.Topics explored in this episode: (00:40) Nouns vs. Verbs: The Core Difference...
2025-06-03
29 min
At The Table with Patrick Lencioni
243. Overcoming the "I’m Not Enough" Trap
Why do so many successful leaders struggle with the feeling of "not being enough"? And how can leaders shift away from a scarcity mindset?In episode 243 of At The Table, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore the pervasive feeling of inadequacy among leaders. They discuss how a "not enough" mindset can drive individuals to seek validation through constant achievement. The conversation emphasizes the importance of vulnerability, self-awareness, and shifting from a fear-based to a joy-based approach to life and work.Topics explored in this episode: (0:49) The Prevalence o...
2025-05-27
22 min
The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni
87. “Quit Your Job” and Start Living Your Genius
How can understanding and embracing your Working Genius help you redefine your concept of “work” and “retirement”?In episode 87 of the Working Genius Podcast, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson take on the increasingly common desire to quit work or retire early, questioning whether it's truly the job people want to escape—or the lack of fulfillment in how they work. Pat and Cody also explore how Working Genius can offer clarity and help people rediscover joy and meaning in their work. Topics explored in this episode: (00:00) Rethinking the Desire to Quit
2025-05-20
16 min
The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni
86. Preemptive Vulnerability: Turning Your Quirks into Connection
What does “preemptive vulnerability” mean, why is it essential in leadership, and how can it build trust within a team?In episode 86 of the Working Genius Podcast, Patrick and Cody explore the concept of "preemptive vulnerability"—the practice of leading with humility before you're forced to. They reflect on how leaders can build deeper trust and connection by proactively admitting weaknesses, asking for help, and owning mistakes. With real-life examples and signature humor, they unpack how this small but courageous step can change everything for teams.Topics explored in this episode:
2025-05-06
35 min
At The Table with Patrick Lencioni
241. Beware of Success
What happens when the external validation of your success conflicts with your internal values and purpose? In episode 241 of At The Table, Pat Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore the hidden dangers of traditional success metrics. They also discuss how businesses and individuals can lose their way when they chase recognition that doesn’t align with their original purpose.Topics explored in this episode: (0:40) The Michelin Star Story* How a small restaurant in Italy gave up its Michelin star to stay true to its identity.
2025-04-29
20 min
The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni
85. Don’t Fake It Till You Make It: Why Honesty Beats Pretending
Why is it dangerous to "fake it till you make it" when it comes to your Working Genius?In episode 85 of the Working Genius Podcast, Pat and Cody explore the pitfalls of "faking it till you make it," particularly in the context of the six Working Geniuses. They discuss how pretending to possess certain geniuses—especially Galvanizing, Enabling, and Tenacity—can lead to burnout and dissatisfaction, even if it seems successful in the short term. They also emphasize the importance of aligning work with your natural geniuses for long-term fulfillment and success. Topic...
2025-04-22
19 min
Young and Profiting with Hala Taha (Entrepreneurship, Sales, Marketing)
Patrick Lencioni: Build an A-Team with Working Genius | Leadership E306
Patrick Lencioni realized they struggled with innovation because he was the only one with the “invention” working genius. This pushed him to rethink his team’s roles and align them with their strengths. The result? A surge in collaboration and creativity, proving the power of the Working Genius framework. In this episode, Patrick shares how to apply the Working Genius model to unlock your team’s full potential and foster a culture of innovation and effectiveness. Patrick Lencioni is one of the founders of The Table Group and the pioneer of the organizational health movement. He is the author of 13 bo...
2024-09-02
43 min
Young and Profiting with Hala Taha (Entrepreneurship, Sales, Marketing)
Patrick Lencioni: Maximize Joy in Your Career by Learning Your Working Genius | Productivity E305
For two decades, Patrick Lencioni bounced between excitement and frustration at work. Driven to understand the root of his frustration, he discovered that while there are six types of work, he only truly enjoyed two. This insight led to the creation of the Working Genius model. Recognizing its universal value, Patrick and his team developed an assessment to help individuals and teams identify their natural strengths and focus on the work that energizes them. In this episode, Patrick reveals how understanding your Working Genius can transform your approach to work, prevent burnout, and boost productivity.
2024-08-26
58 min
The Disrupted Workforce
Why Patrick Lencioni Believes Human Interaction in the Office is Still Crucial in 2024 & Beyond
Has your team lost its spark working remotely? As our modern workforce becomes increasingly reliant on remote setups, we’re also witnessing the pitfalls of reducing human interaction and its impact on organizational health. The human touch is vital for fueling creativity and collaboration, and to champion office presence along with a better comprehension of individual strengths is our distinguished guest — Patrick Lencioni. Patrick is one of the founders of The Table Group and a best-selling author of 13 books, including the latest, “The 6 Types of Working Genius.” His books have been translated into 30 languages, with over 8 m...
2024-07-18
54 min
Speaking to Influence
Patrick Lencioni, The Table Group: Unleashing the Six Types of Working Genius
In this episode, Dr. Laura Sicola interviews Patrick Lencioni, author of The Five Dysfunctions of a Team and The Six Types of Working Genius. They discuss the importance of trust, vulnerability, and conflict in teams, as well as the six types of working genius. Patrick shares personal experiences and insights, providing valuable advice for effective communication and leadership. The conversation explores the five dysfunctions of a team, emphasizing the importance of trust, healthy conflict, commitment, accountability, and attention to results. It also delves into the significance of effective communication, vulnerability, and understanding individual working genius.
2024-06-11
44 min
eCommerce Evolution
Episode 277 - 10 Siblings, 11 Retail Stores, 1 Amazing Brand
Brett Curry (https://www.linkedin.com/in/thebrettcurry/) talks to Jimmy Sansone (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-sansone-aa80b881/) about the founding story of The Normal Brand.__Sponsored by OMG Commerce - go to (https://www.omgcommerce.com/contact) and request your FREE strategy session today!__Chapters: (00:00) Introduction and Jimmy’s Background(11:42) Early Days of The Normal Brand(15:51) Working with Family (22:09) Expansion Into Retail Stores(25:03) Benefits of Having Your Own Stores(32:25) Mistakes Made Along The Way(34:46) Culture and...
2024-04-10
39 min
Always Better than Yesterday with Ryan Hartley | A Podcast for Heart Centred Leaders
Ep 256 Interview Sessions with Patrick Lencioni | The Six Types of Working Genius
On episode 256 I am joined by Patrick Lencioni. For twenty-five years, Patrick Lencioni has been working with teams to help them become more cohesive, effective and successful. In 1997, he founded the Table Group, a firm dedicated to making organizations healthier and work more dignifying. Pat has written 13 best-selling business books on the topics of teamwork, leadership and culture (including The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, The Advantage, and The Ideal Team Player) which have sold over 8 million copies and been translated into more than 30 languages. In 2020, Pa...
2024-04-03
1h 00
The OrgHealth Podcast
Creating Culture with Gifts - ft. Kris Rudeegraap, CEO of Sendoso
Jim sits down with Kris Rudeegraap of Sendoso, a sending platform that delivers gifts with personalized care. What goes into making gifts feel special? What solutions are there for leaders who want to show their care but aren't "good at gifts"? And what has it looked like for Kris to build a company with a culture of fun that has risen to incredible success in only a few years? Connect further: Jim Brown’s LinkedIn – http://bit.ly/2Fqs9LU Guest Kris Rudeegraap's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rudeegraap/...
2022-04-29
41 min
The Governance Guys
Episode 5: The Imperfect Board Member with Jim Brown
Jim Brown, author of The Imperfect Board Member sits down with Paul and Andrew to discuss why he thinks Boards are important, what Board members can do to step up their game, and how seven disciplines can move us towards governance excellence. Jim’s book is available on Amazon: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B008N9J50G/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 , his podcast is called “OrgHealth” … Continue reading Episode 5: The Imperfect Board Member with Jim Brown
2020-06-10
45 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
Humble, Hungry, Smart Leadership Teams
Hiring and firing are… expensive, among other adjectives. Pat Lencioni’s book, The Ideal Team Player, provides a simple but incredibly helpful framework that can help leaders find the right people to join their teams, and also works as a great tool for reflection and growth. In this episode, Jim and Margot discuss the model and share stories and tips for how you can use this tool not only to find the ideal team players, but to become the ideal leadership team. What you’ll learn:The “Ideal Team Player” model [01:5...
2020-04-02
23 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
How to Run Weekly Tactical Meetings Pt 2
In Part 2, Margot and Jim cover steps 4-6 of the weekly tactical meeting. Imagine having a fruitful meeting as a leadership team every week that NEVER goes more than 90 minutes. That’s really the whole point of this, and it’s structured to make sure that’s exactly what happens! What you’ll learn:Review the first 3 stages of tactical meetings [00:01:14]Introduction to Stage 4: Discussion [00:02:42]What to do with big topics that arise [00:02:56]What to do with decisions that are made [00:03:45]What to do if/when team dynamics issues arise [00:05:11]The closin...
2020-03-26
13 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
How to Run Weekly Tactical Meetings Pt 1
It's not surprising that leadership teams abandon weekly meetings—it's so rare to see teams running these meetings effectively! In this episode, Margot and Jim present the framework which leans on the Thematic Goal and gives leadership teams the ability to run productive, energized weekly meetings together in just 90 minutes. We'll take two episodes to cover this topic, so make sure you listen in for both! What you’ll learn:What is a weekly tactical meeting? [00:00:57]What’s a thematic goal? [00:02:37]How do you run a tactical meeting? [00:04:17]What’s the “lightning r...
2020-03-19
10 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
Daily Standup Meetings
How do you catch issues before they blow up, keep from building silos between different departments, and even lower the amount of emails you receive in a day? The daily standup meeting. Jim and Margot continue their series on meetings and explain how to not let these meetings go ANY longer than 10 minutes—because if it does, you're not doing it right! What you’ll learn:Are daily meetings really worth it? [00:47]How to do daily standup meetings well [04:29]Challenges encountered with daily standup meetings and how to overcome them [05:47]The purpose of daily meeti...
2020-03-12
13 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
Strategic Meetings
There are topics that come up for every leadership team that take longer than 10 minutes to get through. But even the biggest questions and decisions to be made can be tackled well in just 90 minutes, with the right approach. Strategic meetings are the first of the three foundational meeting types that will enable your leadership team to actually spend less time in meetings and get more done. What you’ll learn:The three meeting types [00:58]What should a strategic meeting look like? [02:49]How to prepare for a strategic meeting [06:23]The important roles tha...
2020-03-05
14 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
Vulnerability & Leadership
The paradigm shift in society and our workforce in the past twenty years means that using the old model of leaders presenting themselves as impenetrable, perfect, and having all the answers no longer works. Margot and Jim get very candid as they talk about the ways they are seeing vulnerability impact leadership teams and how leaders can enter into it more. What you’ll learn:A common misconception about vulnerability [00:01:02]Where to begin with embracing vulnerability at the leadership level [00:03:01]Why a lack of vulnerability in leadership decreases effectiveness in our...
2020-02-27
21 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
People-Focus vs Analysis-Focus, Part 3
Correcting the imbalance on leadership teams is challenging, but possible. In the closing episode of our series on the dynamics of people-focus and analysis-focus, Jim and Margot share practical steps for how people-focus leaders can communicate their data to analysis-focus leaders, an exercise leadership teams can do to create better understanding of and value for each other's differences, and share some relevant examples.What you’ll learn:People-focus leaders in the C-suite don’t get the respect that analysis-focus leaders do, and they know it. It’s not a competence issue, but a wiri...
2020-02-18
15 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
People Focus vs Analysis Focus, Part 2
What is the data that people focus leaders see instantly and most leadership teams are sorely blind to? How do leadership teams get that perspective and information into their meetings so better decisions can be made? In Part 2, Jim and Margot share some stories of how real leaders and teams are succeeding with improving the disturbing imbalance of information in most leadership meetings. What you’ll learn: The MBTI is a tool we use with teams to identify and talk about the differences between people focus and analysis focus wiring. [00:02:51 - 00...
2020-02-13
15 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
People Focus vs Analysis Focus: Part 1
People are wired to have either more of an analysis focus or a people focus. In this first part of our 3-part series on these two different wirings that leaders have, Jim and Margot introduce the terminology and explain some of the differences, similarities, and common misconceptions leaders have about each other and themselves. Consider your own wiring and the composition of your own leadership team.The Problem of ImbalanceLeaders everywhere are facing a problem. They develop and are rewarded for select skills as they work their way up the...
2020-02-06
15 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
How Conflict Norms Produce Faster Meetings and Better Decisions
Conflict already exists every time team members gather for a meeting. The goal is to get all the conflicting opinions and perspectives out on the table and to make a decision that everyone is comfortable committing to. Conflict norms are an incredibly effective way of making sure that happens, and in this episode Jim and Margot will share 5 specific conflict norms to consider implementing on your team. Example 1: Real-Time Permission § A team member interrupts discussion in real time to point out positive behaviour and reinforce it for the whole group.§ Helps...
2020-01-30
15 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
Collaboration vs Hoarding in Team Meetings
Getting all the information on the table so decisions can be made accurately and effectively is the purpose of team meetings. But lots of senior leadership teams experience about a third of the team members doing 80% of the talking, and valuable information gets left out—sometimes intentionally as a power play, and sometimes unintentionally. In this episode we’ll address how valuable information and perspective gets kept out of the discussion and what you can do to get it back in. What We Mean by Hoarding§ Some people are wired to express...
2020-01-30
22 min
The OrgHealth Podcast
Make It Happen IN the Meeting
Just about every leader feels like they have too many meetings. But one of the biggest ways leaders can make their time more effective is by cutting out the side conversations, the “meetings outside the meeting” and making sure all the conversations that need to happen take place WITHIN team meetings and with the whole team’s engagement.What you’ll learn in this episode:Why team members prefer side conversations instead of bringing things up in the meeting.How to have accountability conversations within meetings well.How a solution-minded team is differen...
2020-01-30
20 min