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Why Not BothEp 103: TashaWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fifth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Musician Tasha describes the magic that comes when we value learning and growth over productivity and how exploring other people's art led her to her album Tell Me What You Miss The Most. We are often rushed and forced into preconceived notions of what we are capable o...
2022-02-021h 01Why Not BothEp 102: Lauren Mayberry of CHVRCHESWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fifth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
When Lauren Mayberry of CHVRCHES sat down to write for the record Screen Violence, she found that her intention for the record was quite different from her previous work. The pandemic had accidentally placed her in a one woman writing camp far away from her bandmates which g...
2022-01-261h 11Why Not BothBonus Ep 5: Dr. MikeWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Psychologist Dr. Mike thought that he bombed his first band audition when he started screaming, frustrated at what he perceived at his own lack of talent. Little did he know that this would start him down the path of artistry that would in turn inform his psychology...
2022-01-141h 00Why Not BothBonus Ep 4: Cam MacleanWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Sometimes chaos and play are the best ingredients for creation and Cam Maclean embraces both in his work as a musician, therapist in training and teacher. Inspired by the play therapy he did with kids, Cam was able to reframe the objects and sounds that we encounter i...
2021-12-171h 03Why Not BothEp 101: YolaWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
It was such a gift to spend time with Yola, a masterful songwriter and artist, whose album Stand for Myself embodies all that we love here on Why Not Both, namely the courage to find your own identity and story. Yola reminds us that there is so m...
2021-12-151h 21Why Not BothEp 100: Melissa Auf der MaurWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Melissa Auf der Maur leads a fairytale life, complete with a mystical man waving his hand over the lush Hudson landscape stating, "this is your oracle" as she stepped gracefully from her role playing bass in Hole to art curator and mother. For the last 10 years, she h...
2021-12-081h 13Why Not BothEp 99: Jon HopkinsWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Jon Hopkins jumped straight into our interview by asking me about my own therapy practice, which should not have come as a surprise given that his new album, Music For Psychedelic Therapy, is about precisely that. After experiencing the twin catalysts of pandemic lockdown and a break u...
2021-12-0149 minWhy Not BothEp 98: John Linnell of They Might Be GiantsWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Over the last several decades, They Might Be Giants have done everything from making award winning children's music to iconic Dunkin Donuts commercials to their latest record BOOK (which is also, coincidentally, a book). We got to talk to John Linnell about the importance of exploring new c...
2021-11-171h 03Why Not BothEp 97: Thao NguyenWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Every musician goes through an identity crisis every so often but thankfully Thao Nguyen's latest was well timed. In the past, she would play fundraiser shows to help out her community, but this past year she found herself making soup to raise money for local racial justice o...
2021-11-1053 minWhy Not BothEp 96: Albert Hammond Jr. of The StrokesWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
For our first in person interview since early 2020, we invited Albert Hammond Jr. over only to find out that we grew up a few blocks away from each other and shared a taste for the same Japanese foods as kids. He told us all about how his f...
2021-11-031h 03Why Not BothEp 95: Tori AmosWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
It's an impossible task to sum up Tori Amos in a few sentences, as our conversation covered the authenticity of artistic intention, the importance of keeping your feet on the ground to counteract the deleterious effects of fame, and the inspiration you gain when you accept your e...
2021-10-271h 00Why Not BothBonus Ep 3: Red RiotThis episode was first available to Patreon supporters. If you'd like to hear about more magical creators, please join us.
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Remaining on theme for our bonus episodes, we traveled virtually to Reykjavik to spend time with Red Riot, aka Hildur and Ragna. Though they each h...
2021-10-2250 minWhy Not BothEp 94: Allison RussellWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
The past year and a half has shown us all that our true vitality comes from our interwoven communities, as musician Allison Russell pointed out in many ways over the course of our chat. She had the chance to demonstrate this very point when her album Outside C...
2021-10-2053 minWhy Not BothEp 93: Macy RodmanWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
In a culture that fetishizes both youth and productivity, it was so refreshing to hear Macy Rodman exclaim, "I have always been so excited about getting older!" as she told us all about her new approach to her creative work. The surreal circumstances of the past year g...
2021-10-131h 01Why Not BothEp 92: SigridWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Whether she's writing songs in Copenhagen or traipsing through the snow in the silent wilderness, Sigrid likes to be present for the moment as much as possible. We chatted about how excited she is to be back playing shows (turns out she gets so excited that she h...
2021-10-0658 minWhy Not BothEp 91: Shirley Manson of GarbageWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
We caught up with Shirley Manson, the absolute force of nature, frontwoman of Garbage and host of The Jump, as she is back on tour for the first time since all the chaos began. Turns out we both fall a bit in love with our podcast guests a...
2021-09-2235 minWhy Not BothEp 90: William ShatnerWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
How does one even begin to describe a Zoom session with William Shatner? Our sprawling conversation covered the nature of the universe, the new album he's releasing, his multiple shows, his love for his Dobermans, and the best veggie sandwiches in Los Angeles. When asked how he d...
2021-09-151h 04Why Not BothEp 89: The Weather StationWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
The dramatic irony of releasing a record written for live performance during a time when we were all stuck indoors was not lost on Tamara Lindeman, the writer and leader of The Weather Station. If anything, it gave her more opportunity to communicate directly with her listeners a...
2021-09-0850 minWhy Not BothEp 88: Mia Berrin of Pom Pom SquadWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Social media has taught us all to be chameleons of sorts, reflecting and refracting our various influences, but Maia Berrin of Pom Pom Squad reflects on how this can make us more introspective artists and human beings. It can be equally joyous to see ourselves reflected in o...
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Why Not BothEp 87: David DuchovnyWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
David Duchovny fears that he may be perceived as a dabbler in multiple creative spheres but we see him as an iconic artist who proves that you don't need to be limited to one mode of expression to get your ideas across. Between traveling to the desert t...
2021-08-1835 minWhy Not BothEp 86: Devon GilfillianWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
After the magical experience of seeing Devon Gilfillian at Newport Folk Festival, we knew that we had to have him on the show. From learning to connect with fans without touring, to chilling with his cat Barry White, he’s had a busy year and a half. Alo...
2021-08-1150 minWhy Not BothEp 85: Devendra BanhartWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Legend tells that Devendra Banhart and his collaborator Noah Georgeson wanted to collaborate on an album for 20 years but it took an earthquake in Japan and a global pandemic to really inspire them to craft their work Refuge. Devendra spoke to the ways in which we can s...
2021-08-041h 11Why Not BothEp 84: Laura GómezWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
A long way from her role as Blanca Flores on Orange is the New Black, when writer/actress/general creative badass Laura Gómez left her old home of New York in early 2020, she thought she was going to spend a bit of time in LA working on...
2021-07-281h 09Why Not BothEp 83: Jonas Bjerre of MewWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
When he's not traveling the world with Mew, it turns out that Jonas Bjerre really likes scoring films and cashing in what he calls his "gift cards of time" by reading books and crafting happy sonic accidents on his modular synths. Getting stuck in one place for a...
2021-07-211h 04Why Not BothEp 82: Anna of the NorthWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Whether it's home renovations, one's own health, or her latest song idea, Anna of The North is obsessively dedicated to untangling life's riddles. We got to chat about how vital it is to fall in love with the art your making so that others can do so a...
2021-07-071h 01Why Not BothEp 81: Laurie PennyWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
For writer Laurie Penny, the transition from feminist journalist to screenwriter was a bit of a happy accident, as she crash landed in LA shortly before everything shut down. She found herself in a quarantine pod with none other than our podcast host Pam and watched while t...
2021-06-3059 minWhy Not BothEp 80: John GrantWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
It's not every day that you get to see someone's beloved coffee mug collection, but we expected nothing less when we hopped on Zoom to chat with John Grant at his Reykjavik home. As an artist, he wrestles with the confines of masculinity and the American dream t...
2021-06-231h 01Why Not BothEp 79: AnjimileWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
It's a rare and beautiful gift to come across an artist like Anjimile, who centers their experience not just their own work but on uplifting the work and sense of identity for those around them as well. As a former English major turned music business student, they l...
2021-06-161h 05Why Not BothEp 78: Rufus WainwrightWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Rufus Wainwright expanded into new territories from the comfort of his living room from collaborating on the new single Technopera with Ampersounds to performing online for new fans. For someone who previously eschewed technology in his art, Wainwright found that he actually liked delving into digital spaces t...
2021-06-0929 minWhy Not BothEp 77: ClaudWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
We all got to take a year off of being perceived. And as musician Claud noted in our podcast interview, it also gave us the chance to more fully delve into who we are at our most vulnerable. They spent the time off of touring crafting a n...
2021-06-0255 minWhy Not BothEp 76: Vanessa Vakharia of The Math Guru and Goodnight SunriseWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Between the music with her band Goodnight, Sunrise, and teaching math at The Math Guru, and the magic, Vanessa Vakharia is a wonderfully busy woman. Over the past year, she took advantage of the extra time at home to write a new album and learn that maybe s...
2021-05-2650 minWhy Not BothEp 75: O FutureWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
It's hard to describe how wonderful it is entering the world of O Future, a kaleidoscopic adventure comprised of a dizzying array of cultural influences. Given their backgrounds growing up in South Africa and Denmark respectively, Katherine and Jens had a lot to say about how different e...
2021-05-191h 22Why Not BothEp 74: Twin ShadowWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
After spending 2020 in lockdown mode with his literal twin, Twin Shadow is out and about getting his motorcycle repaired in obscure corners of LA and sharing his self-titled new album with the world. We spoke of how songs become an energetic exchange between the writer and the l...
2021-05-1256 minWhy Not BothBonus Ep 2: Árni IngólffsonThis episode was first available to Patreon supporters. If you'd like to hear about more magical creators, please join us.
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
For the second bonus episode of Why Not Both, we were reminiscing about the time we got to hang out in Harpa Concert Hall with Árn...
2021-05-0846 minWhy Not BothEp 73: Jenny Owen YoungsWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
After the last fire season in LA, Jenny Owen Youngs saw the ashes on her car and decided that she had enough. After moving to Maine, she realized that the magic of her songwriting collaborations and her brilliant podcast Buffering The Vampire Slayer only grew stronger despite t...
2021-05-051h 03Why Not BothEp 72: girl in redWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
On this week's episode, girl in red (aka Marie Ulven) discovers the secret to podcasting and creative life in general: no one really knows what they are doing. After spending the year re-reading her favorite books, spending time with her dog, and shooting photos, girl in red c...
2021-04-281h 12Why Not BothEp 71: KCRW's Anne LittWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
KCRW's Anne Litt is used to being the interviewer and not the interviewee, which made this weeks episode of Why Not Both particularly delightful. As the station's newly appointed music director, Litt found herself broadcasting from home and managing her team from afar as the events of t...
2021-04-211h 12Why Not BothBonus Ep 1: Freyja EilífThis episode was first available to Patreon supporters. If you'd like to hear about more magical creators, please join us.
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
For our first bonus episode of Why Not Both, we traveled back in time and space to chat with our good friend Freyja Eilif, a m...
2021-04-141h 04Why Not BothEp 70: Julien BakerWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Any conversation that starts with microphone inquires and ends with jokes about praxis is bound to be fascinating, so it is not surprising to hear that we loved our multi-faceted chat with Julien Baker. As a songwriter, Baker muses on the idea that personal narratives are important n...
2021-04-0759 minWhy Not BothEp 69: Nadya Tolokonnikova of Pussy RiotWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
As one of the founding members of Pussy Riot, Nadya Tolokonnikova has used her art as activism over the course of the last decade. From bringing about prison reform in Russia to helping people escape the toxic dynamics of abusive relationships, Nadya is not shy about using h...
2021-03-311h 08Why Not BothEp 68: Baby FuzZWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Just like birds migrate for warmer climates, musician and producer Baby FuzZ continually uproots himself to find novel creative landscapes. Usually artists like to establish their own identity but BabyFuzZ has found that it's almost easier to inhabit the many stories and narratives that he has found a...
2021-03-241h 22Why Not BothEp 67: Alex SomersWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Musician Alex Somers decided to change his life in one swoop, leaving behind the insular inspiring community of Reykjavik for the sunshine and sprawl of Los Angeles, Before he left, he drafted a sonic love letter to his time spent in Iceland in the form of his n...
2021-03-1751 minWhy Not BothEp. 66: The AnchoressWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Catherine Davies aka The Anchoress worked at the BBC for exactly one day before quitting and accepting funding for her masters and PhD in literature and queer theory. It was a bold choice and one that paid off, as her academic pursuits paved the way for her b...
2021-03-101h 13Why Not BothEp 65: Buzzy LeeWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
During our interview, musician and writer Sasha Spielberg aka Buzzy Lee posed the question "would you rather be doing well and no one knows or appear to be thriving to everyone else but know that you're actually not doing well?" It's certainly a valuable quandary not only f...
2021-03-031h 05Why Not BothEp 64: Joshua HenryWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Joshua Henry may be best known for his Tony nominated roles on Broadway but this year, he had the opportunity to finally slow down and create his own original music. After the initial shock of not being on stage every night wore off, Henry found himself getting i...
2021-02-2456 minWhy Not BothEp 63: ShamirWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
This year, we've all had to embrace the idea of doing less with more and being creative with what we have at hand. Few people managed to do it better than Shamir with the release of his self titled album and the growing collection of titles on h...
2021-02-1753 minWhy Not BothEp 62: Parson JamesWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Our guest Parson James knew something was up when his 2020 vision board kept falling off the wall in the middle of the night. We got to catch up on this transformative time as he pulled off signing a record deal, going through intensive trauma therapy, and navigating a...
2021-02-1057 minWhy Not BothEp 61: Reggie WattsWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Reggie Watts is famous for his improvisational skills so it was no surprise that we had a delightful time talking about literally everything that popped in our heads. From his brilliant project WattsApp to his collaboration with fellow genius Marc Rebillet and his work on the Late L...
2021-02-0359 minWhy Not BothEp 60: Chris Baio of Vampire WeekendWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
For our season opener, we spent time with Chris Baio exploring what it means to release his new solo album during a year of tumultuous events. Baio is used to being on tour non stop with Vampire Weekend and was looking forward to making good on his N...
2021-01-2754 minWhy Not BothEp 59: Tegan and SaraWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
In our last episode of 2020, we spent some virtual time in Vancouver with Tegan and Sara, who managed to accidentally get stuck in the same city just in time to work on a million lockdown projects together. Between writing a graphic novel and crafting a new album j...
2020-12-091h 18Why Not BothEp 58: Tawny Newsome and Bethany ThomasWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
We caught up with Tawny Newsome and Bethany Thomas to chat about their brilliant album Material Flats and how life was treating these two talented multi-hyphenates. While they were lucky and got to record the album together earlier this year, these two have spent the better part o...
2020-12-0258 minWhy Not BothEp 57: Harvey Guillén of What We Do In The ShadowsWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
We caught up with Harvey Guillén, aka everyone’s favorite familiar Guillermo from the brilliant series What We Do In The Shadows. Between safely filming on set in Canada and delving into the world of voice acting, Harvey has been staying busy, keeping himself (and the rest...
2020-11-1858 minWhy Not BothEp 56: Ólafur ArnaldsWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Before the world shut down, Ólafur Arnalds started crafting his brilliant new album Some Kind Of Peace. Little did he know that it would be anthemic for a time when we are all tuning into our inner world for better or worse. We loved getting to hear ab...
2020-11-1156 minWhy Not BothEp 55: Greg Saunier of DeerhoofWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
This week, we got to ride a rollercoaster of emotions with Greg Saunier of Deerhoof. From learning that his music has inspired both romances and break ups to navigating life in an ever transforming band, Greg spent the last few decades collaborating with everyone from his bandmates t...
2020-10-281h 14Why Not BothEp 54: Icona PopWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
What happens when your plans to tour get canceled and you end up in Stockholm? If you happen to be Icona Pop aka Caroline Hjelt and Aino Jawo, you decide to make the best of things and throw a virtual rave spa for all your friends and f...
2020-10-2145 minWhy Not BothEp 53: Perfume GeniusWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
We’ve all been having a bit of an out of body experience during quarantine but at least we got to chat with Perfume Genius aka Mike Hadreas about how dancing helped him connect with his body in a novel way before we all got stuck inside. As...
2020-10-141h 14Why Not BothEp 52: William Cashion of Future IslandsWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
We had the pleasure of chatting with William Cashion of Future Islands all about his new solo ambient project Postcard Music and the ways that transcendental meditation have informed his work. From collaborations with his bandmates to paintings with his wife, William creates with a calm sense o...
2020-10-071h 01Why Not BothEp 51: AlunaWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
While the world hit pause, Aluna has been busy Zooming up a storm to make the dance music world a more inclusive space for artists and audiences alike. We got to chat about the nature of ongoing social change and how she manages her activism with her creative musical life. Aluna reminded us that it’s v...
2020-09-3054 minWhy Not BothEp 50: Thirst Aid KitWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
We caught up with Nichole Perkins and Bim Adewunmi of Thirst Aid Kit right at the end of their epic run as the best podcast about female desire and cultural narratives came to a close. As producers, writers, and storytellers, both women had so much to share about the vulnerability of sharing ourselves creatively with o...
2020-09-231h 01Why Not BothEp 49: Joe WongWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Balancing his work as a tv composer, drummer, and podcaster is no easy feat but Joe Wong masters it with grace. We loved getting to chat with him about how his creative process thrives within the framework of films and in the studio, where he created his first solo project with the production help of h...
2020-09-161h 13Why Not BothEp 48: Sad13 and LustraWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
For this special double episode, we got to chat with Sad13 aka Sadie Dupuis and Lustra, aka Helena Marzec-Gołąb, about the magic of language and how it transforms our perception. When she’s not making music, Sadie spends her time crafting poetry and writing artist bios, both of which play with the power of words...
2020-09-091h 46Why Not BothEp 47: Nite JewelWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
At the beginning of Los Angeles lockdown, we virtually sat down for a chat with Nite Jewel, aka Ramona Gonzalez, to talk about all things musical, educational, societal, and revolutionary. As a musician and music production instructor pursuing her Phd in ethnomusicology, Ramona commented on how our desire for the mythology of artists is crumbling i...
2020-09-021h 03Why Not BothEp 46: Lido PimientaWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
When she’s not fundraising for families in Columbia or crafting visual art, Lido Pimienta is creating songs that transcend all cultural and linguistic barriers. Living a “hyphenated existence” as she puts it has given Lido a unique and beautiful perspective, one that shines through her kaleidoscopic songs and videos. We loved getting to chat with he...
2020-08-2657 minWhy Not BothEp 45: Andre HenryWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
From creating collaborating projects to advocating for democratizing activism, podcaster, writer and musician Andre Henry embodies the multi-faceted life we love here on Why Not Both. Throughout our chat, Andre explained how listening deeply to people’s experience and valuing people’s voices has led to his best creative work and most meaningful participation in socia...
2020-08-191h 01Why Not BothEp 44: Ioanna GikaWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
We loved getting metaphysical with Ioanna Gika. From sharing how the nature of loss and grief informed her work to discussing the finer points of how to meow a violin line, Ioanna let us catch a glimpse of her particular form of sonic sorcery. Ultimately, it’s all about staying in the present moment to let...
2020-08-121h 05Why Not BothEp 43: AURORAWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
It’s no surprise that Aurora is spending her time in lockdown creating magical works of art such as her video Exist For Love, where she managed to find the perfect amount of pearls to craft her own headdress when quarantined alone with a pile of old vintage handbags. She is also using her own inf...
2020-08-0552 minWhy Not BothEp 42: Kathleen Hanna of Bikini KillWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
What happens when you trap punk icon Kathleen Hanna at home during a pandemic? It turns out you get a mix of activism, arts and crafts, and virtual dog walks via her best friend. We chatted about how she and activist Tina Kampor started Tees 4 Togo, where for the cost of a t-shirt you can f...
2020-07-291h 08Why Not BothEp 41: Shalita Grant of "Search Party"Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Shalita Grant is a force to be reckoned with in the absolute best way possible. While most people know her for her roles on NCIS and Search Party, Shalita is also the brilliant and compassionate mind behind Four Naturals Hair, a haircare treatment designed especially for type 4 hair. Shalita shared her life philosophy of approaching p...
2020-07-221h 22Why Not BothEp 40: Jarvis CockerWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
From Icelandic folktales to quarantine discos, Jarvis Cocker can likely tackle any subject with a dry wit and deep sense of sincerity. He shared that his latest batch of songs were created in collaboration not only with his band but with the fans from his last shows before lockdown, capturing the unique exchange between artists a...
2020-07-151h 12Why Not BothEp 39: SokoWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
It’s impossible to not get swept away by the quiet intensity of Soko’s passion for life and creativity. During our time together, we talked about the intertwining threads of motherhood, music, and movie making. Life is a balancing act and Soko spoke to the ways in which we all do our best to chann...
2020-07-0853 minWhy Not BothEp 38: Big Black DeltaWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
In the before times, we got to spend a delightful afternoon with Jonathan Bates of Big Black Delta. We delved into the finer points of the importance of mental health care, the power of sobriety, and what it means to make art in service of others. It can take a lifetime to discover what you t...
2020-07-011h 04Why Not BothEp 37: MxmtoonWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
We dare you to find an artist more charming than Mxmtoon. She chatted with us about breaking it to her parents that she was secretly a viral Internet star with millions of streams on her songs and why she is outspoken about mental health in her music. As a biracial and openly bisexual artist, Maia p...
2020-06-2448 minWhy Not BothEp 36: TolliverWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
In honor of Juneteenth, we talked with Los Angeles artist Tolliver about “I Yield My Time (F*ck You), ” his musical take on Jeremy Frisch’s now famous call into the LAPD community meeting. Turns out Tolliver has been reporting on black owned businesses in the city, crafting songs for multiple projects, and editing videos all at...
2020-06-191h 02Why Not BothEp 35: EdoHeartWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
This week we got to know Edoheart, a New York-based poet whose amazing journey has taken her into the world of rapping, producing, visual arts, and even a stint touring the world as a Butoh dancer. She told us about the nature of her divergent creative paths, how her slate of projects has allowed her t...
2020-06-171h 21Why Not BothEp 34: Jehnny BethWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
This week we welcomed Jehnny Beth to the show. The Savages’ frontwoman, who also expresses herself as an actor and writer, told us about the different way love and creativity expresses itself in her life—both forces that inspired her solo album To Live is to Love. We chatted about how to shake up the creat...
2020-06-1058 minWhy Not BothEp 33: Sondre LercheWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Sondre Lerche is quite possibly the world’s most affable songwriter and burger aficionado. Between writing a collection of essays on music and crafting his upcoming album Patience (out June 5th), Sondre found time to become an avid runner and create his own live showcase with local LA musicians at Largo. It was a delight cha...
2020-05-271h 04Why Not BothEp 32: White SeaWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
This weekend, Morgan Kibby, who performs as White Sea, told us how collaboration has been the key to her career. We also delved into the idea that creative careers don't always follow linear trajectories. From life as M83’s Keyboard Girl, to composing for Netflix and Lady Gaga, Kibby has covered a lot of artistic gro...
2020-05-2356 minWhy Not BothEp 31: Mark FosterWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Like everyone else Mark Foster has a lot on his mind. However, as we discussed on this week’s episode, that means the nature of creativity is much like a 4-year-old child or a skittish cat...you have to make it feel safe and welcome and be just the right amount of excited when it com...
2020-05-201h 10Why Not BothEp 30: Alison MosshartWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
What happens when you stay up until 5am learning how to edit your own music video? Alison Mosshart showed us the results of her experiments with her new singles It Aint Water and Rise. She also graciously answered our pressing questions about what to do when you’re on lockdown in the middle of a mil...
2020-05-131h 03Why Not BothEp 29: Alice BagWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Alice Bag is a living LA legend and we were thrilled to chat with her about her new album Sister Dynamite as well as her book Violence Girl. She exemplifies what it means to be truly punk rock, balancing her time in The Bags while teaching elementary school and later writing a book while raising h...
2020-05-061h 11Why Not BothEp 28: Local NativesWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Before the California lockdown began, we got to spend an afternoon at Echo Park lake with Matt and Nik of Local Natives chatting about their new album Violet Street and getting harassed by ducks. We explored the unusual creative processes that led to their new songs and what it means to have artistic interests outside o...
2020-04-291h 03Why Not BothEp 27: HANAWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
We had way too much fun exploring musician HANA’s process making her entire album live on Twitch. From audience input about postmodern anxieties to the magic and horror of social media, HANA opened up about what it was like to collaborate 24/7 with her fans. Along the way, she discovered a unique place where vulnerability and...
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Why Not BothEp 26: Joseph Fink of Welcome To Nightvale on creating surreal and beautiful storiesWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
To kick off Season 3, we chatted with Joseph Fink, creator of Welcome to Nightvale, about the extraordinary circumstances that inspired his latest podcast Our Plague Year. Fink talked about the state of the arts in America and the crucial role that creativity plays in our lives. He points out that we all want to sit i...
2020-04-1558 minWhy Not BothEp 25: Juana MolinaWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
We were so fortunate to spend some time with Juana Molina, who called us from Argentina to talk about her latest album and the creative surprises that have dropped into her life. She spoke about how the recent world events pushed her to live stream her latest concert and focus on slowing down, or as s...
2020-04-1151 minWhy Not BothEp 24: Hannah MarksWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Doing triple duty as a writer, actress, and director, our guest Hannah Marks is as hilarious as she is impressively talented. We chatted about the nature of female friendship, what makes open relationships work, and about the awkward timing of having springtime allergies during a pandemic. We love her new film Banana Split and can’t w...
2020-04-081h 09Why Not BothEp 23: PhantogramWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Josh Carter and Sarah Barthel of Phantogram joined us to chat all about their new album Ceremony and the ups and downs of living your dreams. From recording in barns to creating the visual spellbook of your ideas, they let us into their creative process and experience of being a band for the past 13 years. T...
2020-04-0153 minWhy Not BothEp. 22: Mara WilsonWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Writer and actress Mara Wilson (aka the voice of The Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives In Your Home from Welcome To Nightvale) joined us for an in depth, candid interview about the value or story telling and how we all create our own narratives. Wilson chatted about why her role as a mental health ad...
2020-03-281h 06Why Not BothEp 21: Half WaifWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.
Thanks to the powers of the internet, we got to catch up with musician and producer Nandi Rose aka Half Waif during our very first week of post modern pandemic panic. We talked about her new album The Caretaker and how she was inspired by the ideas of slowing down and the act of how t...
2020-03-2545 minWhy Not BothEp 20: Lane MooreWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We were fortunate to get to chat with Lane Moore, who is the definition of a multi-hyphenate talent. Writer of How To Be Alone, singer of It Was Romance and brilliant host of Tinder Live which is exactly as surreal and hilarious as it sounds. She is currently hosting Tinder Live every night at 8pm EST on T...
2020-03-181h 01Why Not BothEp 19: Simon RaymondeWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We got to chat with Simon Raymonde, the bassist of dream pop legends The Cocteau Twins and owner of the indie record label Bella Union. He talked about what it was like taking several decades off of making his own music to help foster the dreams of a new generation of bands as well as his return t...
2020-03-111h 11Why Not BothEp 18: U.S. GirlsWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We had the opportunity to talk to Meg Remy aka U.S. Girls in anticipation of her new album Heavy Light, out March 6th. She let us in on how the art of meditation and impermanence informs her work as a musician and a writer. As an artist, Remy shows how we can all put our own c...
2020-03-0459 minWhy Not BothEp 17: Rob GravesWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. For this special leap year episode, Grammy nominated producer and writer Rob Graves shares the intimate process behind his stunning new album Solstice. Inspired by the untamed wilderness of Iceland, Rob’s songs speak to landscapes—both physical and emotional. Join us as we talk music, success, and his fascination with the very nature of creativity (Spoiler: no on...
2020-02-291h 24Why Not BothEp 16: Sudan ArchivesWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. This week, we had the pleasure of having tea with Sudan Archives at her home on a rainy LA day. From fabulous feathered gowns to serious sonic experimentation, Sudan gave us a glimpse of her wonderful world. She opened up about how sometimes life was easier when she was making donuts and how she can find inspiration a...
2020-02-2650 minWhy Not BothEp 15: Best CoastWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Bethany Cosentino of Best Coast joined us this week to chat about how getting outside of her own head helped break the writer’s block she encountered before ultimately crafting her upcoming album Always Tomorrow, which comes out on Feb 21st. Ranging from political advocacy to getting sober to discovering the best menu hacks at the Cheesecake Fac...
2020-02-121h 03Why Not BothEp 14: Iceland Airwaves with Madame Gandhi, Mightybear & Penelope IslesWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Host Pam Shaffer spent a few days at Iceland Airwaves, the coolest of all music festivals, talking to artists from around the world about their passions. Madame Gandhi let us in on what it was like studying business at Harvard, Mightybear told us all about the drag scene in Iceland while Lily of Penelope Isles chatted about h...
2020-02-051h 23Why Not BothEp 13: Kid MoxieWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. This week’s episode features musician and actress Elena Charbila aka Kid Moxie. It’s been a big week for her as her soundtrack for the film Not To Be Unpleasant, But We Need To Have A Serious Talk just nabbed a top spot on the Apple Music front page. In true Why Not Both style, Kid Moxie...
2020-01-2951 minWhy Not BothEp 12: Marissa NadlerWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. This week, host Pam Shaffer chatted with Marissa Nadler about how art led to music and how music ultimately led back to art throughout the course of her life. She revealed some of the remarkable experiences she had teaching older students and how her quiet life in chilly landscapes helps to weave together the life of meticulous a...
2020-01-2247 minWhy Not BothEp 11: Kate NashWhy Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. On our premiere episode of the season, we got to interview the fantastic Kate Nash. We met up with her over vegan cookies and PG Tips tea to chat about the versatility and vulnerability of being a musician and actor. Kate opened up about her experiences on the set of GLOW and what she has learned growing a...
2020-01-151h 17Why Not BothEp 6: Kristin DwanWhy Not Both is a podcast dedicated to how our multiple passions shape our identity. Join WNB host Pam Shaffer as she interviews a series of fascinating and multifaceted guests and chats about their jobs, relationships, and outlook on postmodern life. This week’s episode of Why Not Both features an interview with Kristin Dwan, who is a hynotherapist and reiki master at her practice The Healing Woods. Listen to how she quite literally was a phoenix rising from the ashes of a house fire and how music and writing dovetailed with her work in the corporate world. Make su...
2019-06-2049 minWhy Not BothEp 2: Adriana ColonWhy Not Both is a podcast dedicated to how our multiple passions shape our identity. Join WNB host Pam Shaffer as she interviews a series of fascinating and multifaceted guests and chats about their jobs, relationships, and outlook on postmodern life. This week on Why Not Both, we got to sit down with Adriana Colon, a bilingual voice actor and co-artistic director of Sacred Fools Theater in Los Angeles. A shining example of how to use two worlds to ultimately create a new one. You can check out Adriana's stellar voice work on her website. The WNB...
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