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The FAIK FilesDark Knowledge & Hidden AgendasWelcome back to The FAIK Files!
In this week's episode:
Subliminal Learning: Listener "Max" brings us a fascinating (and concerning) story about AI model distillation and how "dark knowledge" can be passed along between AI systems
AI Filmmaking vs. Fraud Crisis: We explore Dave Clark's innovative AI agent methodology for filmmaking, then pivot to Sam Altman's growing concerns about AI's potential for sophisticated fraud
Get Ready to be Haggled by AI: Listener "Ty" alerts us to Delta Airlines' move toward AI-powered dynamic pricing that determines what YOU personally will pay for a ticket
AI Search Ruins...2025-07-2556 min
The FAIK FilesCognitive Inoculation: Winn Schwartau and the MetawarWelcome back to The FAIK Files!
This week, we're sharing our interview with Winn Schwartau!
Winn Schwartau is a respected authority in information security and one of the earliest voices to warn about the risks of cyberwarfare. With a career spanning decades, he’s written extensively on topics like critical infrastructure vulnerabilities, time-based security, and the human factors behind digital threats. His work has shaped the way governments and organizations think about cybersecurity today.
You should check out his book The Art & Science of Metawar: How to Coexist With AI-Driven Reality Distortion, Disinformation, & Addiction in th...2025-07-0450 min
The FAIK FilesIs AI Getting Too Real?Welcome back to The FAIK Files!
In this week's episode:
OpenAI's models are reportedly resisting human commands to shut down
A controversial new research paper questions whether AI systems actually "think" or just create an illusion of reasoning.
How generative AI exploits the same psychological triggers as gambling—"just one more prompt, bro!"
Google's VEO-3 and ElevenLabs 3 are creating deepfakes so convincing they're fooling both people and detection systems.
Check out Perry's new website, The Deception Project and newsletter, Deceptive Minds: a newsletter about how we are fooled, how we fool ourselves, and what we can do about it. Subscribe on...2025-06-131h 09
The FAIK FilesArtistically Inclined???Welcome back to The FAIK Files!
In this week's episode:
Perry is on some kind of secret government mission???
Mason showcases a cool AI art project, and some behind-the-scenes processes of integrating AI elements into art.
We explore some more eye-rolling and stupid uses of AI art, including in scientific publishing and the music industry
And we interview Chris Machowski, artist and overall creative powerhouse behind RansomWear.net
Check out Perry's new website, The Deception Project and newsletter, Deceptive Minds: a newsletter about how we are fooled, how we fool ourselves, and what we can do about it. Subscribe o...2025-06-061h 07
The FAIK FilesProve YourselfWelcome back to The FAIK Files!
In this week's episode:
Google wants to help people speak dolphin... and they have a new language model to prove it!
Perry brings a couple fun headlines...
And we interview Paul Vann and Justin Marciano of Validia.ai
Check out Perry's new website, The Deception Project and newsletter, Deceptive Minds: a newsletter about how we are fooled, how we fool ourselves, and what we can do about it. Subscribe on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7319922626200510464
Want to leave us a voicemail? Here's the magic link to do just tha...2025-05-301h 21
The FAIK FilesArtifacts of Deception (Deceptive Minds - issue #2)This is the 2nd of two sample episodes/issues of Perry's audio newsletter. If you enjoy these and want to keep listening, go ahead and subscribe here.
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Hey friends! Here's issue 2 of Deceptive Minds: a newsletter about how we are fooled, how we fool ourselves, and what we can do about it.
🔥 Since starting this newsletter last week, we're already closing in on 3,000 subscribers to the print edition! 🔥 Huge thanks to everyone who's jumped in early!
This week, I'm diving into what I call the “artifacts of deception,” and why the flashy stu...2025-04-2911 min
The FAIK FilesIntroducing: Deceptive Minds (an audio newsletter experience) Hey listeners, Perry Carpenter here. I've got something exciting that I think you'll be interested in. It's the audio version of a newsletter that I recently started.
The newsletter is called Deceptive Minds, and it's all about how we are fooled, how we fool ourselves, and what we can do about it.
I'm dropping the first two episodes/issues in this feed so you can decide if you like it and might be interested in subscribing to the audio or print versions.
Oh -- and while I've got your attention, I'd love for you to che...2025-04-2905 min
8th Layer InsightsDeceptive Minds (the audio experience): Issue #1 Hey listeners, Perry Carpenter here. Yeah, it's been a while since I've posted this feed, but I've got something exciting that I think you'll be interested in. It's the audio version of a newsletter that I recently started.
The newsletter is called Deceptive Minds, and it's all about how we are fooled, how we fool ourselves, and what we can do about it.
In other words, it's the exact right newsletter for the 8th Layer Insights audience. So for the next little bit at least, I'm going to post these audio newsletters into the 8Li fe...2025-04-2907 min
The FAIK FilesFeed Drop: AI Hype & Skepticism - Me, Myself, and AI
Subscribe to Me, Myself, and AI: https://sloanreview.mit.edu/audio-series/me-myself-and-ai/
Today we're sharing with you an episode of another show we like called Me, Myself, and AI.It's a podcast produced by MIT Sloan Management Review and Boston Consulting Group, where hosts Sam and Shervin interview various folks from all sorts of industries and walks of life about the constantly evolving landscape of artificial intelligence.This episode is called "AI Hype and Skepticism", and features nobel-prize winning economist Paul...2025-04-1428 min
The FAIK FilesThe Silence of the Cyber-LambsWelcome back to the FAIK Files!
In this episode:
Perry cracks open a chaotic grab bag: A couple updates from Perry and the National Cybersecurity Alliance. Plus two new reality-bending image models that raise the bar again — this time with people that really look like people and text that actually looks like text!
We sit down with former FBI special agent, Cameron Malin.— a deception expert and behavioral profiler who helped build the FBI’s Cyber Behavioral Analysis Unit from the ground up. If you’ve ever wondered how the feds spot a lie before it’s even tol...2025-03-281h 23
The FAIK FilesSpeaking of Deception: AI Voice Scams, Creative Uses, & MoreWelcome back to the FAIK Files!
This week, we explore the creative and mischievous ways AI voices can be created and used -- everything from simple voice cloning, to character acting, the legal issues in authenticating voice recording, to the full weaponization of AI voices for scams and information warfare.
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The FAIK FilesAdblockers, Emotional AI, & Kung-Fu Dishwashing RobotsWelcome back to the FAIK Files!
To learn more about the upcoming Offensive Cyber Deception Masterclass (delivered in person in Las Vegas, August 2-5, 2025) please visit this link: https://tinyurl.com/5ytpvjv7
On this week's episode,
We explore some updates to familiar AI tools like Suno, some new models like Wan2.0, and talk about Perry's upcoming Offensive Cyber Deception class this summer!
Perry hypnotizes SesameAI into divulging its innermost thoughts and feelings
Mason breaks down why some people are reporting that Google Chrome is killing their adblockers
The...2025-03-071h 08
The FAIK FilesCybercriminals Love AI, Librarians Do NotWelcome back to the FAIK Files!
On this week's episode,
We (oh so carefully) touch on how different countries are staking positions on the future of AI
Mason offers a bit of self-correction and self-reflection before discussing some the strange nature of how agentic AI systems and robots need to conform the fact that the web and the world was built to be navigated by humans, not machines
Perry gives perspective on some new research findings by CheckPoint which show that cybercriminals are flocking to LLMs from China.
And our AI Dumpster fire...2025-02-2159 min
The FAIK FilesLove is in the AIWelcome back to The FAIK Files! When tech gets weird, we're here to help make sense of it all.
In this week's show:
Mason shares his perspective on "Where the Robots Grow" --which is claimed to be "one of the first fully AI-animated feature films."
Lisa Plaggemier from the National Cybersecurity Alliance talks to us about Romance Scams
And our AI dumpster fire of the week is Elon Musk's (somewhat desperate) grab for OpenAI
Subscribe to our BRAND NEW YouTube channel! You can find the channel at: https://www.youtube.com/@theFAIKfiles
2025-02-1457 min
The FAIK FilesJailbreaking Bad: The AI Industry is CookedWelcome back to The FAIK Files! When tech gets weird, we're here to help make sense of it all.
In this week's show:
We explore how randomness in AI systems creates the illusion of thought
A disturbing case of AI chatbots being weaponized for cyberstalking
Anthropic's new approach to preventing AI jailbreaks
And our AI dumpster fire of the week is... AI... the whole thing... all of it
Subscribe to our BRAND NEW YouTube channel! You can find the channel at: https://www.youtube.com/@theFAIKfiles
Want to l...2025-02-071h 03
The FAIK FilesDeepSeek Disrupts EverythingWelcome back to The FAIK Files! When tech gets weird, we're here to help make sense of it all.
This week, we’re tackling:
DeepSeek -- the little LLM from China that's taking the world by storm.
Perry & Mason interview voice artist Keith Brown to see what he learned about AI while narrating Perry's book.
And our AI dumpster fire of the week doesn't disappoint!
Subscribe to our BRAND NEW YouTube channel! We'll be adding a wide variety of content shortly, but would love your help building the subscriber base...2025-01-311h 06
The FAIK FilesOf Spies and HitmenWelcome back to The FAIK Files! When tech gets weird, we're here to help make sense of it all.
This week, we’re tackling:
Mason is out this week, so Perry is doing his best not to screw anything up too badly.
We've got some new videos posted about how deepfakes work -- everything from those fake celebrity endorsements to realtime deepfakes that can happen in live videoconferences.
Perry & Mason interview FBI counter-terrorism and counterintelligence operative, Eric O'Neill
It looks like we are on the verge of AI Agents that can not only bo...2025-01-2454 min
The FAIK FilesZuckerberg, TikTok, and Treadmills That SniffWelcome back to The FAIK Files! When tech gets weird, we're here to help make sense of it all.
This week, we’re tackling:
Meta’s latest moves—from layoffs to fact-checker cuts and a "Community Notes" pivot.
The TikTok vs. U.S. showdown, its ripple effects, and why users are flocking to RedNote.
Your exercise equipment’s creepy secrets—is your treadmill sniffing you?
Opening the conversation about power consumption of AI systems and its implications.
Subscribe to our BRAND NEW YouTube channel! We'll be adding a wide variety of...2025-01-1753 min
The FAIK FilesWeapons, Whispers, and AI Gone RogueWelcome back to The FAIK Files: the show that keeps you informed on all things artificial intelligence and natural nonsense.
In this week's episode, we explore:
AI companies' partnerships with US defense contractors, including OpenAI's recent deal with Anduril Industries
How ElevenLabs' voice cloning technology was exploited for Russian propaganda
Pinokio, a user-friendly platform for running AI models locally
A quirky story about a smooth talking AI powered robot who managed to "kidnap" several other robots
Want to leave us a voicemail? Here's the magic link to do just...2025-01-1056 min
8th Layer InsightsThe FAIK Files | Holiday Special: AI Safety UpdateNote: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of 2024. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to the show that keeps you informed on all things artificial intelligence and natural nonsense. In our holiday episode, Mason opens a rather unique Christmas present from Perry, we invite a special guest to help explain the infamous "Paperclip Maximizer" thought experiment, and we...2024-12-2740 min
The FAIK FilesThe Butcher Will Scam You NowWelcome back to the show that keeps you informed on all things artificial intelligence and natural nonsense.
Warning: today's episode gets a bit dark as we chat with seasoned prosecutor and founder of Operation Shamrock, Erin West, about a devastating combination of attacks known as "Pig Butchering" scams. We go deep into how they work and what we can do about them.
Want to leave us a voicemail? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK
You can also join our Discord server...2024-12-201h 01
8th Layer InsightsThe FAIK Files | The Butcher Will Scam You NowNote: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to the show that keeps you informed on all things artificial intelligence and natural nonsense. Warning: today's episode gets a bit dark as we chat with seasoned prosecutor and founder of Operation Shamrock, Erin West, about a devastating combination of attacks known...2024-12-201h 01
8th Layer InsightsThe FAIK Files | AI Gone Wild: Worrisome Leaks, Misguided Conspiracies, and MoreNote: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to The FAIK Files--- the show about artificial intelligence and natural nonsense!In this week's episode:
Mason shares how ChatGPT became an unexpected hero in solving his home networking and studio challenges
Perry dives into the mysterious case of "David Mayer"...2024-12-1354 min
8th Layer InsightsThe FAIK Files | A Hunch about HutchNote: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Welcome back to The FAIK Files— the show about artificial intelligence and natural nonsense!In this week’s episode:
Mason has an update on last week's shocking story of Google Gemini’s alleged threats against a user. Is this a glitch, a hack, or som...2024-12-0653 min
The FAIK FilesA Hunch about HutchWelcome back to The FAIK Files— the show about artificial intelligence and natural nonsense!
In this week’s episode:
Mason has an update on last week's shocking story of Google Gemini’s alleged threats against a user. Is this a glitch, a hack, or something more sinister?
We sit down with cybersecurity expert Justin “Hutch” Hutchins (author of The Language of Deception) to dive into his experience weaponizing large language models and what it means for the future of AI.
And finally, we lighten things up with some fun AI music experiments, showing that Perry...2024-12-0653 min
The FAIK FilesConsciousness, Scams, and Death ThreatsHappy FAIKs-giving everyone! Welcome to the newly renovated and relaunched FAIK Files podcast. On this week's episode, Perry & Mason cover Anthropic's recent hiring of an employee focused on AI well-being, an AI grandmother from hell (for scammers), and Google's Gemini chatbot allegedly tells a user what it really thinks of them. Welcome back to the show that keeps you informed on all things artificial intelligence and natural nonsense.
Want to leave us a voicemail? Here's the magic link to do just that: https://sayhi.chat/FAIK
You can also join our Discord...2024-11-2950 min
8th Layer InsightsThe FAIK Files | Consciousness, Scams, & Death ThreatsNote: We're posting Perry's new show, "The FAIK Files", to this feed through the end of the year. This will give you a chance to get a feel for the new show and subscribe to the new feed if you want to keep following in 2025. Happy FAIKs-giving everyone! Welcome to the newly renovated and relaunched FAIK Files podcast. On this week's episode, Perry & Mason cover Anthropic's recent hiring of an employee focused on AI well-being, an AI grandmother from hell (for scammers), and Google's Gemini chatbot allegedly tells a user what it really thinks...2024-11-2952 min
The FAIK FilesStep Into The FAIK Files!The FAIK Files explores the mysterious and often wacky intersection of AI, technology, and humanity. From cognitive warfare to digital deception, we examine how AI is reshaping our reality through news, research, and real-world examples. Join us for a thought-provoking journey into a world where anything can be faked, truth is increasingly elusive, and human nature meets artificial intelligence head-on.The FAIK Files is an offshoot project from Perry Carpenter's most recent book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Get...2024-11-2702 min
The FAIK FilesFAIK Miniseries | Ch 10: A New HopeThis is Part Ten of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck...2024-10-3033 min
The FAIK FilesFAIK Miniseries | Ch 9: Cognitive and Technical Defense Strategies - Tools for ProtectionThis is Part Nine of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck...2024-10-2842 min
The FAIK FilesFAIK Miniseries | Ch 8: Media Literacy in the Age of AI - Your First Line of DefenseThis is Part Eight of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck...2024-10-2131 min
The FAIK FilesFAIK Miniseries | Ch 7: The Now and Future of AI-Driven DeceptionThis is Part Seven of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck...2024-10-2131 min
The FAIK FilesFAIK Miniseries | Ch 6: Deepfakes and the Spectrum of Digital DeceptionThis is Part Six of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck...2024-10-1441 min
The FAIK FilesFAIK Miniseries | Ch 5: The Digital Disinformation PandemicThis is Part Five of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck...2024-10-1435 min
8th Layer InsightsFAIK Miniseries (sneak peek) | Chapter 3: The Mindset and Tools of a Digital ManipulatorThis is Part Three of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck ou...2024-10-0831 min
The FAIK FilesFAIK Miniseries | Ch 4: Bias, Data Poisoning, & Output OdditiesThis is Part Four of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck...2024-10-0726 min
The FAIK FilesFAIK Miniseries | Ch 3: The Mindset and Tools of a Digital ManipulatorThis is Part Three of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications. Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck...2024-10-0731 min
8th Layer InsightsFAIK Miniseries (sneak peek) | Chapter 2: New Frontiers of Deception: AI and Synthetic MediaThis is Part Two of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications. Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck out...2024-10-0129 min
8th Layer InsightsFAIK Miniseries (sneak peek) | Chapter 1: The Eternal Battle for the MindThis is Part One of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications. Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck out...2024-10-0132 min
The FAIK FilesFAIK Miniseries | Ch 2: New Frontiers of Deception: AI and Synthetic MediaThis is Part Two of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications. Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated DeceptionsCheck...2024-09-3029 min
The FAIK FilesFAIK Miniseries | Ch 1: The Eternal Battle for the MindThis is Part One of a ten-part miniseries exploring Perry Carpenter's latest book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions. Each episode kicks off with a dramatized reading of the "Whispers from the Static" vignette that opens the chapter, followed by an in-depth conversation with Perry Carpenter and Mason Amadeus, where they unpack the chapter's themes and real-world implications.
Get the Book (Amazon Associate Link): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions
Check...2024-09-3031 min
8th Layer InsightsDigital MindhuntersIn this conversation, Perry sits down with Dr. Bilyana Lilly to discuss her new book Digital Mindhunters (Coming Oct 30) and the intersection of cybersecurity, disinformation, and AI. She describes the narrative structure of her book, navigating a world of cyber threats and influence operations, and the evolving landscape of disinformation with AI amplifying threats. Dr. Lilly emphasizes the importance of awareness and education in combating misinformation and highlights the global threats posed by countries like Russia and China. Guests:Dr. Bilyana Lilly (LinkedIn) (Twitter)References:
Digital Mindhunters, by...2024-09-1759 min
8th Layer InsightsLet's talk Social EngineeringIn this episode, Perry catches-up with Stephanie (Snow) & JC Carruthers. They talk about social engineering, the DEFCON Social Engineering Community / Village, and share their favorite (and most embarrassing) social engineering stories. Perry also gives a quick update on his recent exploits entering an AI chatbot into the Social Engineering Village CTF, speaking at the DEFCON AI Village, and the release of his new book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions.Guests:
Stephanie (Snow) Carruthers: (LinkedIn) (Twitter)
JC Carruthers: (LinkedIn...2024-09-0357 min
8th Layer InsightsWhat About Ethics?On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with Ed Skoudis to discuss the simplicity and complexities of cybersecurity ethics. Ed's new book is The Code of Honor: Embracing Ethics in Cybersecurity. Guest:Ed Skoudis (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)Books and References:
The Code of Honor: Embracing Ethics in Cybersecurity, by Paul J. Maurer and Ed Skoudis
The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel: Genius, Power, and Deception on the Eve of World War I, by Douglas Brunt
The Cybersecurity Code (downloadable): https://www.montreat.edu/cybersecurity-code/
The Code of Honor book page
...2024-07-3055 min
8th Layer InsightsCan You Really Tell if Something is Written by an AI?On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with Jon Gillham. Jon is the founder and CEO of Originality.ai -- an AI content detection platform designed to help website owners, content marketers, writers and publishers hit 'publish' with integrity in the world of generative AI.In this interview, we get the lowdown on how AI content detection works, what it is good at, and where some of the current limits are.Guest:Jon Gillham (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)Books and References:
AI Content Detector Accuracy Review +...2024-07-0949 min
8th Layer InsightsMoney Laundering 101: a chat with Investigative Journalist Geoff WhiteOn this episode, Perry gets to sit down with investigative journalist, author, and podcaster, Geoff White. They discuss Geoff's new book, "Rinsed: From Cartels to Crypto: How the Tech Industry Washes Money for the World's Deadliest Crooks", the state of global cybercrime, and (everybody's favorite topic) artificial intelligence. Guest: Geoff White (LinkedIn) (Twitter)Books and References:
Rinsed: From Cartels to Crypto: How the Tech Industry Washes Money for the World's Deadliest Crooks, by Geoff White
RinsedGPT -- Generative AI questions/answers from the book, Rinsed
The Lazarus Heist: Based on the hit podcast, by...2024-06-0451 min
8th Layer InsightsCommunicating Complex Topics with Creativity and PassionIn this episode, Perry sits down with award winning cybersecurity author, George Finney to discuss his recent book, Project Zero Trust. This is a broad discussion that hits on the concepts of Zero Trust, George's approach to writing the book, his passion for storytelling, and much more.
Guest:George Finney (LinkedIn) (Website)Books and References:
Project Zero Trust: A Story about a Strategy for Aligning Security and the Business, by George Finney
Well Aware: Master the Nine Cybersecurity Habits to Protect Your Future, by George Finney
The history and evolution of zero-trust security, TechTarget
...2024-05-0756 min
8th Layer InsightsHow Rachel Tobac Hacked MeIn this episode Perry Carpenter sits down with Rachel Tobac to debrief after her recent KB4-CON session, "How I'd Hack You Live" where she... well... hacked Perry live. Perry and Rachel explore how age-old deception techniques are being revamped for the digital age. The discussion spans the future of social engineering, the increasing role of AI in security, and a few other fun bits.
Guest:Rachel Tobac (LinkedIn) (Twitter / X) (Website)Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):
KB4-CON 2024 Main Stage Sessions (Registration required)
Deepfake scammer...2024-04-0935 min
8th Layer InsightsHow AI Can Deceive and be DeceivedOn this episode Perry sits down with Dr. Matthew Canham to explore ways in which AI can be weaponized against us, and how age old social engineering tactics can be used to trick large language models.
Guest:Dr. Matthew Canham (LinkedIn) (Website)Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):
Cognitive Security Institute YouTube Channel
Cognitive Security Institute website
YouTube video: BlackHat Presentation -- Me and My Evil Digital Twin: The Psychology of Human Exploitation by AI Assistants
YouTube video: NEW AI Jailbreak Method SHATTERS GPT4, Claude, Gemini, LLaMA
...2024-03-1956 min8th Layer InsightsFrame the Future: The Art of Becoming a FuturistOn this episode Perry sits down with Jeremy Treadwell, a people-first technologist and futurist, to get the lowdown on how a futurist approaches the world.
Guest:Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter)Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):
YouTube Video: What UX/UI Taught Me about Improving Security Awareness [SANS Security Awareness Summit 2022], Jeremy Treadwell
YouTube Video: Reimagine the Future of Data, Privacy + Security with Technologist Jeremy Treadwell
The Institute for the Future website
Four Questions to Turn Everyone in Your Company Into a Futurist, FastCompany...2024-02-2741 min8th Layer InsightsHow to Scam a Romance ScammerWelcome to season 5 of 8th Layer Insights!To celebrate Valentine's Day, Perry sits down with Emmy winning reporter Kerry Tomlinson to talk about the time she turned the tables on a romance scammer.
Guest:Kerry Tomlinson (LinkedIn) (Website) (YouTube)Books and References:
YouTube video: Inside a romance scam: how to make a catfisher sing
YouTube video: Scammers are stealing people's faces for live video calls
National Cybersecurity Alliance : Online Romance and Dating Scams
National Cybersecurity Alliance : Romance Scams Resource Kit
Federal Trade Commission: Romance scammers’ favorite lies exposed
Know Yo...2024-02-1357 min8th Layer InsightsArtificial Intelligence: Insights & OdditiesOn this episode, Perry celebrates the one year birthday of ChatGPT by taking a look at AI from technological, philosophical, and folkloric perspectives. We see how AI was formed based on human words and works, and how it can now shape the future of human legend and belief.Guests:
Brandon Karpf, Vice President at N2K Networks (LinkedIn) (Website)
Dr. Lynne S. McNeill, Associate Professor at Utah State University (LinkedIn) (Twitter)
Dr. John Laudun, Professor at University of Louisiana at Lafayette (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)
Lev Gorelov, Research Director at Handshake Consulting (LinkedIn...2023-11-301h 078th Layer InsightsTechnology and the Law of Unintended Consequences (Encore)Let's face it. Most of us have a love/hate relationship with technology and technological advances. We dream about the new thing... but when it arrives, we are usually a little disappointed. Many of us also lament the constant erosion of privacy, the changes in social norms, and more. And, little-by-little, we allow those aspects of new technology to make us numb. We accept the cognitive dissonance of not totally being happy with the trade-offs; yet we still make the trade.In this episode, we explore a few of the positives and some of the unintended consequences...2023-10-2453 min8th Layer InsightsCybersecurity First Principles w/Rick HowardOn today's show, Perry sits down with Rick Howard to discuss Rick's new book and the concept of "First Principles" as they apply in the domain of cybersecurity.Rick Howard is the CSO of N2K and the Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow at the N2K Cyber, formerly CyberWire. His past lives include CSO at Palo Alto Networks, CISO at TASC, the GM at Verisign/iDefense, the Counterpane SOC Director, and the Commander of the Army's Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT). Rick served 25 years in the Army, taught computer science at West Point, and recently published , "...2023-10-1042 min8th Layer InsightsOSINT, Curiosity, Creativity, & Career Pivots: A Conversation with Rae BakerIf you’ve been listening to this show for a while, you’ll know that we’ve touched on the topic of Open Source Intelligence (otherwise known as OSINT) several times. It is an area of information security that penetration testing that’s been getting quite a bit of attention over the past several years. When you think about the digital world we live in, where we have a proliferation of personal, organizational, and governmental data on the internet...and the simple fact that data likes to leak…we can safely predict that OSINT investigation techniques will continue to be in deman...2023-09-2635 min8th Layer InsightsConversational Security Awareness: Putting Humanity into Your Human Risk Management ProgramListen in as Perry Carpenter & Dr. Jessica Barker present their joint session, "Conversational Security Awareness" at the SANS Managing Human Risk Summit. ... and stay tuned after the presentation for a quick conversation between Perry, Jessica, and Lance Spitzner (SANS) as they discuss themes from this year's event.Guests:
Dr. Jessica Barker (LinkedIn) (Twitter)
Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter)
Lance Spitzner (LinkedIn) (Twitter)
Additional Resources:
Jessica Barker's great blog post summarizing this session
Jessica Barker's 2020 RSA Keynote
Related 8Li Episodes:
8Li S1 E9: Security ABCs Part 1: Make Awareness...2023-09-1258 min8th Layer InsightsBlending Awareness, Social Engineering, and Physical Penetration Testing -- A Conversation with Jayson E. StreetOn today's show, Perry sits down with Jayson E. Street to discuss his unique blend of social engineering, physical penetration testing, and security awareness. Jayson refers to this as being trained by a simulated adversary. At the heart of Jayson's method is intense boldness in his approach to social engineering and penetration testing coupled with an equally intense passion for helping his clients and their employees improve their overall security posture and mindsets. It's about education rather than exploitation.Guest: Jayson E. Street (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)YouTube videos of Jayson
2022 Saintcon: H...2023-08-291h 088th Layer InsightsHow to Fool the White House (Encore)Hey all! I'm at BlackHat and Defcon this week. If you're there, track me down. I'd love to meet you!This week's episode is an encore of one of my favorites. My interview with James Linton (a.k.a. The Email Prankster). In 2017, James went on a virtual joyride exploiting the ways that people interact with emails. One of the most interesting things about James' story is that his exploits didn't rely on any type of highly technical method(s); they were simple display name deceptions. But that didn't stop him from fooling CEOs...2023-08-081h 078th Layer InsightsWe are the ChampionsThere has been a lot of buzz for the past few years about the benefits and importance of establishing security champions programs. These are groups of people in your organization who become vital, responsible, and proactive contributing evangelists to the security culture of your organization. I often refer to them as "culture carriers." And, while there is general agreement that these are good programs to have, establishing them is currently a bit of a dark art.On today's show, Perry sits down with Sarah Janes of Layer 8 security to discuss the importance of champion programs and tease...2023-07-2645 min8th Layer InsightsSomething Wicked This Way Comes: PenTesting Your Environment w/Chad Peterson of NetSPIOn this episode, Perry sits down with Chad Peterson, Managing Director at NetSPI, to discuss the importance of penetration testing. We touch on aspects of social engineering, discussing complex security issues with Boards of Directors, the prevalence of Ransomware, and some of the unique challenges facing the healthcare industry.Guest: Chad Peterson (LinkedIn) (Twitter)Books & References (Books are Amazon Associate links)
CISO Desk Reference Guide: A Practical Guide for CISOs by Bill Bonney, Gary Hayslip, & Matt Stamper
Penetration Testing: A Hands-On Introduction to Hacking by Georgia Weidman
Practical S...2023-06-2047 min8th Layer InsightsCarrots, Sticks, and Culture: The Art and Science of Social SignalingOn this episode, what cybersecurity professionals need to understand about how social signaling and incentives really work.Today's episode features a conversation with Uri Gneezy. In the field of cybersecurity, we are very interested in identifying proactive and positive ways to encourage the behavior we want. That's where Uri comes in. Uri is a well-known behavioral economist and professor of economics and strategy in the Rady School of Management at the University of California at San Diego.Most of us recognize that many of our behaviors, beliefs, and values are caught rather than taught. So...2023-06-0647 min8th Layer InsightsHacking the Paranormal -- a conversation with BanachekIn this episode, Perry Carpenter sits down with renowned mentalist and skeptic, Banachek. Banachek (Steve Shaw) grew up with a fascination in magic and a frustration with psychic frauds. As a teenager, he contacted magician and skeptic, James “The Amazing” Randi and ended up working with Randi on a special initiative known as Project Alpha, which set out to expose a general lack of objectivity in parapsychology research. Banachek served as the director for the James Randi Educational Foundation’s “One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge” for 15 years and is now the President of the James Randi Educational Foundation. Perry and...2023-05-231h 138th Layer InsightsWhat Cybersecurity Pros can Learn from Star WarsThis week's episode is a late Star Wars ("May the 4th Be With You") celebration. We check out a couple interesting articles about security-related lessons embedded in the Star Wars movies, and Perry sits down with Adam Shostack, author of the new book, Threats: What Every Engineer Should Learn From Star Wars to discuss threat modeling principles using Star Wars related examples.Guest: Adam Shostack (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)Books & References (Books are Amazon Associate links)
Threats: What Every Engineer Should Learn From Star Wars, by Adam Shostack
Threat...2023-05-0950 min8th Layer InsightsPostcards from the Intersection of Cybersecurity and FolkloreWelcome to season 4, episode 1 of 8th Layer Insights!On this episode, Perry speaks with Josiah Dykstra (Senior Fellow, Office of Innovation at the National Security Agency) about the new book he co-authored with Eugene Spafford and Leigh Metcalf. The book is titled Cybersecurity Myths and Misconceptions: Avoiding the Hazards and Pitfalls that Derail Us, This topic coincides well with Perry's recent studies into folklore and urban legends for his other podcast, Digital Folklore.Guests:
Josiah Dykstra (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)
Chelsey Weber-Smith (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)
Mason Amadeus (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)
2023-04-2547 min8th Layer InsightsSeason 3 finale: What's the deal with Authentication, MFA, and Password Managers?For the last episode of season 3, I thought we'd talk about something that's been in the news quite a lot recently: Authentication and Password Managers. As security professionals, we've decried the password for decades. Multifactor authentication (MFA) has started to gain popularity... but not without its own issues. Security leaders and tech teams may have once again hoped for a silver bullet, only to be disappointed to find out that crafty attackers can easily bypass MFA. We've also been touting the benefits of Password Managers for quite a while. After all, in a world where most of us have...2023-01-241h 128th Layer InsightsQuick announcement and sneak peek of my new show: Digital FolkloreHey all!An announcement and something special!First, the announcement:Here's your chance to participate in the final episode of 8Li season 3. If you’ve got a question or comment that you’d like me to try to answer or respond to, leave a voice message at https://www.speakpipe.com/8Li. Frankly, that would make it more engaging than if I just read your questions. But, if you aren’t able to record a message or don’t want your voice on the show, then you can email me your questions at perry@8t...2023-01-1014 min8th Layer InsightsCybersecurity, Creativity, Leadership: a Conversation with Chris Cochran and Ron EddingsOn this episode, Perry speaks with Chris Cochran and Ron Eddings. Chris and Ron started the Hacker Valley Studio Podcast back in June of 2019 with the goal of exploring the human condition to inspire peak performance in cybersecurity. The podcast is about Chris and Ron’s quest to find inspirational stories and knowledge to elevate themselves and their communities. That podcast eventually kicked off a journey that led them to create their own podcast network (Hacker Valley Media), foster communities, and they recently partnered with SANS to create the Difference Makers Awards.Chris and Ron are passionate ab...2022-12-2747 min8th Layer InsightsYour Life, Their Profit: Buyer Awareness in the 21st CenturyOn this episode, Perry sits down with Marta L. Tellado, President and CEO at Consumer Reports, to discuss the digital moment we are in and what that means for consumers and the marketplace: the risks, dangers, traps… and also the places and paths that can lead to progress. They also discuss Marta's new book, Buyer Aware: Harnessing Our Consumer Power for a Safe, Fair, and Transparent Marketplace.Guest:Marta L. Tellado (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)Books and References:
Fighting For a Fair Digital World. Consumer Reports resources to empower yo...2022-12-1351 min8th Layer Insights[Holiday Replay] The Battle for Truth: Disinformation, Misinformation, & ConspiraciesGet ready for those 'fun' holiday dinner conversations with friends and family. You know the ones...In the spirit of the holidays, I thought we'd revisit Season 1, Episode 2. This is an episode about the battle for truth. As disinformation, misinformation, malinformation, and conspiracy theories seem to be hitting epidemic levels, how can we help each other determine what is real and what is fake? How can we help people who are falling down conspiracy rabbit holes? And what roles do technology companies, governments, and ordinary citizens play?Perry Carpenter speaks with acclaimed cybersecurity expert, Bruce...2022-11-291h 048th Layer InsightsSpycraft: A Behind the Curtain Look into the Intelligence CommunityThere is something about a good spy story that seems to really resonate with people in the cybersecurity world. We love watching the moves and the counter moves, and the sneaking around, and the social engineering, and hacking, and all of the gadgets and toys, and car chases, and fights and double crosses and triple crosses. Yeah, you get the point. But how much of that is real and how much can be chalked up to an author's creative license? And what's life and work like for real people in the intelligence industry?This episode f...2022-11-1551 min8th Layer Insights8th Layer Insights and the Quest for Security CultureFor this week, we are revisiting a previous episode that first aired as Season 1 Episode 10. In this episode, we discuss the concept of security culture -- specifically, the difficulty that security leaders have in defining what a security culture actually is. Luckily, we can draw on learnings from organizational culture management and culture transformation experts.Guests for this episode include, David Sturt, Executive Vice President of the O.C. Tanner Institute, author of Great Work: How to Make a Difference People Love and Appreciate: Celebrating People, Inspiring Greatness., Dr. Jessica Barker (co-CEO and Co-Founder, Socio-Technical Lead at C...2022-11-011h 098th Layer InsightsSocial Engineering and Breaking into Stuff with Jenny RadcliffeOn this episode, Perry sits down with Jenny Radcliffe (a.k.a. The People Hacker). Jenny is a well-known speaker, podcaster, professional social engineer, and physical penetration tester… in other words, she’s a social engineer who specializes not only in tricking people into doing things they shouldn’t do… but she also specializes getting into places she shouldn’t be and finding things she shouldn’t be able to find. Her job is to embody the criminal mindset and use the skills of a criminal to find the vulnerabilities that a criminal would find.In this interview, Je...2022-10-1836 min8th Layer InsightsOpen Source Intelligence (OSINT): The Data We LeakOver the past few years, there's been a lot of talk about the value of understanding Open Source Intelligence (OSINT). But, even with so much talk, relatively few cybersecurity professionals have had the time to take a deep dive into the topic. In this episode, Perry sits down with social engineer, OSINT investigator, and member of the OSINT Curious project, Christina Lekati to get an overview of the value of OSINT as well as some basic techniques. After that, we hear from Chris Kirsch (co-founder and CEO of runZero). Chris is a former black badge winner at DEF CON's...2022-10-0447 min8th Layer InsightsThe Secrets to Consistently Creating Great ContentIn this episode, Perry talks about the value of storytelling and provides 7 tips for anyone who faces the fear associated with staring at a blank screen, wondering how they can begin to create fresh content. This is adapted from a presentation Perry recently gave at the 2022 SANS Security Awareness Summit.Books & Resources:
Overview of "The Iron Triangle"
Visual Summary of Perry's SANS Security Awareness Summit presentation
YouTube Video: You are not a storyteller - Stefan Sagmeister @ FITC
Security is Alive: 8th Layer Insights, Season 2, episode 6
Creativity for Non Creatives: 8th Layer Insights, Season 2, episode 10
Igniting and...2022-09-2045 min8th Layer InsightsIf It's Smart, It's Vulnerable: a Conversation with Mikko HyppönenIn this episode, Perry sits down with Mikko Hyppönen for a wide ranging discussion about the history, current state, and future of cybersecurity. We also discuss Mikko's new book, the title of which is derived from Hyppönen's Law: If It's Smart, It's Vulnerable.Guest:Mikko Hyppönen (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Web)Books & Resources:
If It's Smart, It's Vulnerable, by Mikko Hyppönen
Mikko's TED Talks
Daemon, by Daniel Suarez
Internet of Things and data placement, by Dell Technologies
Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driv...2022-09-0649 min8th Layer InsightsFinding Your Path: Mid-Career Moves into CybersecurityThis is a follow-up to Season 2, episode 4 –Bridging the Cyber Skills Gap. Many listeners contacted me saying that they loved the episode, but wished that I’d put more focus on people trying to find a career in cybersecurity later in life. So, consider this episode a Bridging the Cyber Skills Gap Part 2.We’ll hear the stories of several people who’ve come to cybersecurity a bit later in life. This episode features interviews with Alethe Denis, Tracy Z. Maleeff (a.k.a. InfoSec Sherpa), Phillip Wylie, Lisa Plaggemier, Naomi Buckwalter, and Alyssa Miller.Guests:2022-08-2345 min8th Layer InsightsCyber MindfulnessYou've probably been hearing the term 'mindfulness' a lot these days. And for good reason. We humans seem to be busier and more stressed out than ever before, and mindfulness practices seem to offer positive benefit. But how does mindfulness intersect with cybersecurity? What practices can we learn and promote to decrease human risk in our organizations and live safer digital lives?In this episode, we explore the topic of cyber mindfulness. And to do so, we'll be hearing from Anna Collard, Michael Davis, and Yvonne and Jasmine Eskenzi.Guests:
Anna...2022-08-0947 min8th Layer InsightsLockpicking, Physical Penetration Testing, and More with Deviant OllamOn this bonus episode, Perry sits down with physical penetration tester, lock picking guru, and Board Member of The Open Organization of Lockpickers (TOOOL), Deviant Ollam. They discuss lockpicking, physical penetration testing, locksport, and the ethics of teaching these skills.Guest:Deviant Ollam (Twitter) (YouTube) (Website)Books & Resources:
8th Layer Insights S2E8: Fun and Games: Lock Picking, Capture the Flag Contests, Simulations, and More
Lockpicking Resources from Deviant Ollam
Keys to the Kingdom: Impressioning, Privilege Escalation, Bumping, and Other Key-Based Attacks Against Physical Locks, by Deviant Ollam. (Amazon affiliate link)
...2022-06-2226 min8th Layer InsightsThe Lazarus Heist: Investigative Journalism, Podcasting, and North Korean Hacking (with Geoff White)On this bonus episode, Perry sits down with investigative journalist, speaker, podcaster, and author, Geoff White to talk about his path into investigative journalism, podcasting, and his new book, "The Lazarus Heist: From Hollywood to High Finance: Inside North Korea's Global Cyber War."Guest:Geoff White (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)Books & Podcasts:
Lazarus Heist Book
Lazarus Heist Podcast
Crime Dot Com: From Viruses to Vote Rigging, How Hacking Went Global
Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter (Amazon...2022-06-0744 min8th Layer InsightsAn Announcement, a Request, and How You Can Win Some $$$Please take the listener survey--->>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/8LI_Survey 2022-05-1704 min8th Layer InsightsCreativity for Non-CreativesCreativity can be a scary topic for technologists. Most of us haven't been trained in the art and science of creativity and so they either feel out of their depth when called on to create content. But it doesn't have to be that way. In this episode, Perry sits down with New York Times bestselling author, Michelle Richmond, Audible bestselling author Rob Dircks, and two critically acclaimed cybersecurity podcasters, Ran Levi (creator and host of the Malicious Life podcast) and David Spark (creator and host of the CISO Series podcast) to discuss creativity, how to create relatable content, and...2022-05-031h 128th Layer InsightsThe Next Evolution of Security Awareness"Security Awareness" is a slippery topic for a lot of people. It's a well known phrase -- and, let's face it, it's a phrase that can be very misleading. In this episode, Perry sits down with Dr. Jessica Barker (author and co-CEO at Cygenta), Cassie Clark (Security Awareness Lead Engineer at Brex), John Scott (Head of Security Education at Bank of England), and Lance Spitzner (Director, SANS Institute: Founder, Honeynet Project) to discuss what is currently being done well and, more importantly, where it needs to grow over the next few years. Spoiler alert: it's all about managing human...2022-04-1950 min8th Layer InsightsWhy Are We So Bad At Risk?Risk is a funny thing – our minds are constantly looking for risk, scanning our environments and our available choices. And sometimes we do a great job at anticipating and avoiding risky situations. But that doesn’t mean that we are universally good at dealing with risk. In fact, we can be downright appalling at considering and avoiding risk.In this episode, we explore the concept of risk, why we're so bad at understanding it, and the steps we can take to improve. Perry speaks with four risk experts who will help us understand the ups and downs of h...2022-04-0453 min8th Layer InsightsFun and Games: Lock Picking, Capture the Flag Contests, Simulations, and MoreWhat images come to mind when you see or hear the word 'Cybersecurity?' That word probably evokes mental images of people hunched over keyboards launching cyberattacks at each other. Or maybe you picture someone picking a lock or stealing a badge to slip into a building. In other words, most people picture the battle... or what some might think of as "the fun parts." But, here's the thing. Not everyone gets to participate in these aspects of cybersecurity and, in many cases, finding safe and legal ways to practice these skills can be challenging. So where can curious...2022-03-221h 028th Layer InsightsWorld's Greatest Con – A Conversation with Brian BrushwoodIf you love learning about cons, scams, and tricks, then this is the episode for you. Listen as Perry sits down with Brian Brushwood, someone who has made understanding and teaching scams and tricks his life's work. Brian is the creator of Scam School, Scam Nation, Hacking the System, Modern Rogue, and more. For the past 20 years, he's toured around the world teaching and demonstrating everything from side show stunts, to sleight-of-hand magic, to the intricacies of con artistry.Brian’s new podcast, World’s Greatest Con is a deep-dive into the stories and tactics behind the most...2022-03-081h 068th Layer InsightsSecurity is AliveEvery now and then you need to try something new. That's what this episode is. If you listened to Season 2, Episode 3 (Technology and the Law of Unintended Consequences), you may remember the mock interview with Janet, the virtual assistant. This episode expands that idea and features a set of four mock interviews -- all with security-related object. This is an interesting experiment to help flesh-out some ideas behind these objects, the reasons they exist, their motivations, and the situations in which they find themselves.On this episode, we have four guests: Samantha, a piece of facial recognition...2022-02-2249 min8th Layer InsightsHow to Fool The White House-- A conversation with James Linton (aka The Email Prankster)On this episode, Perry sits down with James Linton (formerly known as The Email Prankster). In 2017, James went on a virtual joyride exploiting the ways that people interact with emails. One of the most interesting things about James' story is that his exploits didn't rely on any type of highly technical method(s); they were simple display name deceptions. But that didn't stop him from fooling CEOs from some of the worlds largest banks, celebrities, and high ranking staff members in the White House.James' success using these simple methods serves as a warning for us all...2022-02-081h 068th Layer InsightsBridging the Cyber Skills GapIf you've been following the cybersecurity industry for the past few years, you've likely heard about the "cyber skills gap." In this episode, Perry sits down with Heath Adams (TCM Security), Professor Karla Carter (Bellevue University), Sam Curry (Cybereason), and Lola Obamehinti (eBay) to explore what the skills gap is and how to begin to close the gap. We touch on subjects such as where traditional degrees, online training, certifications, mentorship, and networking fit in, as well as the value of diversity. And we offer thoughts for employers, current industry professionals, and job seekers.Guests:
Heath...2022-01-2549 min8th Layer InsightsTechnology & the Law of Unintended ConsequencesLet's face it. Most of us have a love/hate relationship with technology and technological advances. We dream about the new thing... but when it arrives, we are usually a little disappointed. Many of us also lament the constant erosion of privacy, the changes in social norms, and more. And, little-by-little, we allow those aspects of new technology to make us numb. We accept the cognitive dissonance of not totally being happy with the trade-offs; yet we still make the trade.In this episode, we explore a few of the positives and some of the unintended consequences...2022-01-1153 min8th Layer InsightsYou're Listening to "The Dark Stream"And now for something completely different. This episode is a show within a show.Get ready to step into The Dark Stream: it's a parody of one of those old late night paranormal, conspiracy, or confession call-in radio shows from the 1980's and 90's. And, yes, it's over-the-top and cheesy.In this episode, you'll hear some re-edited and never before aired sections from Perry's previous interviews with Rachel Tobac, Maxie Reynolds, and Chris Hadnagy.Guests:
Rachael Tobac: (LinkedIn), CEO of SocialProof Security
Maxie Reynolds (LinkedIn), Founder of Subsea Cloud
Chris Hadnagy: (LinkedIn); C...2021-12-2846 min8th Layer InsightsIgniting and Sustaining CreativityThis episode is all about creativity: what it is, what it looks like, and what to do when you get stuck. Perry speaks with four experts who have made creating new and interesting things their life's work. Featuring Jack Rhysider (Creator/host of Darknet Diaries), Faith McQuinn (creator of Boom, Margaritas & Doughnuts, and Apollyon), Tom Buck (YouTuber and content creator), and Sam Qurashi (Exploring the Psychology of Everything).Guests:
Jack Rhysider
Faith McQuinn
Tom Buck
Sam Qurashi
Resources & Books:
The No. 1 Habit of Highly Creative People
Alchemy: The Dark Art and...2021-12-1459 min8th Layer InsightsSecurity ABCs Part 2: 8th Layer Insights and the Quest for Security CultureThis is the second of a two part series covering Cybersecurity’s ABCs: Security Awareness, Behavior, and Culture. This episode discusses the difficulty that security leaders have in defining what a security culture actually is. Luckily, we can draw on learnings from organizational culture management and culture transformation experts.Guests for this episode include, David Sturt, Executive Vice President of the O.C. Tanner Institute, author of Great Work: How to Make a Difference People Love and Appreciate: Celebrating People, Inspiring Greatness., Dr. Jessica Barker (co-CEO and Co-Founder, Socio-Technical Lead at Cygenta; author of Confident Cyber Security and c...2021-09-281h 088th Layer InsightsSecurity ABCs Part 1: Make Awareness TransformationalThis is the first of a two part series covering Cybersecurity’s ABCs: Security Awareness, Behavior, and Culture. We touched on facets of Awareness in Episode 1 and Behavior in Episode 3. These two episodes cover the cybersecurity ABCs in a very pragmatic way, with this episode covering Awareness and Behavior and Episode 10 providing a deep dive into Culture.Guests for this episode include, Dr. Jessica Barker (co-CEO and Co-Founder, Socio-Technical Lead at Cygenta; author of Confident Cyber Security and co-author of Cybersecurity ABCs), Chrysa Freeman (Senior Program Manager for Security Awareness at Code42), Ian Murphy (Founder, CyberOff), and La...2021-09-1455 min8th Layer InsightsThe Risk Episode: Black Swans, Grey Rhinos, Angels & DemonsRisk is a funny thing – our minds are constantly looking for risk, scanning our environments and our available choices. And sometimes we do a great job at anticipating and avoiding risky situations. But that doesn’t mean that we are universally good at dealing with risk. In fact, we can be downright appalling at considering and avoiding risk.In this episode, we explore the concept of risk, why we're so bad at understanding it, and the steps we can take to improve. Perry speaks with four risk experts who will help us understand the ups and downs of h...2021-08-3152 min8th Layer InsightsGoing Mental: A Conversation with BanachekIn this episode, Perry Carpenter sits down with renowned mentalist and skeptic, Banachek. Banachek (Steve Shaw) grew up with a fascination in magic and a frustration with psychic frauds. As a teenager, he contacted magician and skeptic, James “The Amazing” Randi and ended up working with Randi on a special initiative known as Project Alpha, which set out to expose a general lack of objectivity in parapsychology research. Banachek served as the director for the James Randi Educational Foundation’s “One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge” for 15 years and is now the President of the James Randi Educational Foundation. Perry and...2021-08-171h 118th Layer InsightsGoing Meta: A Conversation and AMA with Bruce SchneierIn this episode, Perry Carpenter interviews cybersecurity guru Bruce Schneier. Perry and Bruce explore how cybersecurity is about so much more than technology — It’s about people, so we benefit by taking a multidisciplinary approach. In preparing for this interview, Perry solicited his LinkedIn network to see what questions people had for Bruce. This is a wide ranging conversation covering everything from Bruce’s thoughts on cybersecurity’s “first principles” to the impact that the pandemic had on society to need for regulation to help raise the overall standards for security and privacy.Guest: Bruce Schneier (htt...2021-07-2054 min8th Layer InsightsThis is BS!Ever wrestled with the fact that people often make horrible security decisions even though their employers have security awareness programs in place? It's often because we assume that being aware of something should naturally result in better behavior. Well... that's not the case. This episode takes a deep dive into the knowledge-intention-behavior gap where we are confronted with three realities of security awareness. And those realities lead us to the realization that we need to focus on behavior.Guests for this episode are all leaders in the fields of Behavioral Science. They are, BJ Fogg, Ph.D...2021-06-221h 088th Layer InsightsThe Battle for Truth: Disinformation, Misinformation, & ConspiraciesThis is an episode about the battle for truth. As disinformation, misinformation, malinformation, and conspiracy theories seem to be hitting epidemic levels, how can we help each other determine what is real and what is fake? How can we help people who are falling down conspiracy rabbit holes? And what roles do technology companies, governments, and ordinary citizens play?Perry Carpenter speaks with acclaimed cybersecurity expert, Bruce Schneier, disinformation experts, Samantha North and Allie Wong, and conspiracy theory researcher, Mick West. In this episode, we also hear from Peter Leyden from Reinvent and Eli Periser, author of...2021-06-081h 038th Layer InsightsUnleashing Trojan Horses for the MindThis episode explores the concept of “Trojan Horses for the Mind.” There are four Trojan Horses. They are: emotion, sound, visuals, and words/story. Using these Trojan Horses will help us increase the signal to noise ratio in our communications, bypass mental defenses, and embed messages within the minds of our audiences.To explore the concepts related to this, Perry speaks with voice actor, writer, and producer, Rob McCollum; author, marketer, and storytelling expert Joe Lazauskas; and executive storyteller coach and trainer, Stephanie Paul.Learn more about our guests here:
Rob McCollum -- Voice acto...2021-05-2552 min8th Layer InsightsTrailerComing May 25, 2021. Get ready for a deep dive into what cybersecurity professionals often refer to as the "8th Layer" of security: HUMANS. This podcast is a multidisciplinary exploration into how the complexities of human nature affect security, risk, and life. Author, security researcher, and behavior science enthusiast Perry Carpenter taps experts for their insights and illumination. Topics include cybersecurity, psychology, behavior science, communication, leadership, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices2021-05-0404 min