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Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandUğur Ümit Üngör: Holocaust and Genocide Studies: Cucumber and Vegetable Studies?In this interview, historian and sociologist Uğur Ümit Üngör discusses the controversy and complication over the use of the “g-word” (genocide), as well as the damage done to humanity because some genocides are deemed “more equal” than others. Drawing on his expertise in genocide and mass atrocity in the Middle East, he discusses how these issues intersect with the ongoing conflicts in Israel and Palestine. Chapter Timestamps00:00 - Opening01:17 - Introduction01:40 - Challenges of the Term "Genocide"10:01 - Debates Over the Usage and Implications of "Genocide"17:01 - Academic Perspectives: Are Scholars Addr...2025-05-1357 minNot to Forgive, but to UnderstandOmar Yousef Shehabi: 7 Questions on PalestineJoin us for an insightful conversation with Omar Yousef Shehabi, an acting assistant professor at NYU School of Law and a JSD candidate at Yale Law School. With a wealth of experience working as a legal officer for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) and other international organizations, Omar provides a unique perspective on the complexities and challenges faced by Palestinian refugees.2025-05-131h 01Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandDirk Moses: The Problems of Genocide: Israel and PalestineJoin us as we're privileged to host Dirk Moses, the Anne N. Bernard Spitzer Professor of Political Science at City University of New York and author of 'The Problems of Genocide: Permanent Security and the Language of Transgression.' Tune in as we examine the critical questions of genocide research, including reflections on the recent situation in Israel and Gaza.2025-05-131h 07Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandArie M. Dubnov: 7 Questions on IsraelJoin us for an insightful conversation with Arie M. Dubnov, Jewish-Israeli historian and associate professor at George Washington University. Dubnov discusses the complexities of genocide studies, the role of oral histories in the Holocaust, and its influence on understanding genocide. He also touches on academic freedom, populist media challenges, and his work "Agnotology in Palestine/Israel".2025-05-131h 12Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandAlex Hinton: The Engaged ScholarJoin us in conversation with Alex Hinton, Director of the Center for the Study of Genocide and Human Rights, Distinguished Professor of Anthropology, and UNESCO Chair in Genocide Prevention at Rutgers University. In this interview, we delve into the role of The Engaged Scholar and the pedagogical merits of Genocide Studies. Tune in for valuable insights into these critical issues.2025-05-1357 minNot to Forgive, but to UnderstandZukiswa Wanner: Giving up the Goethe Medal for GazaJoin us for an enriching conversation with Zukiswa Wanner, acclaimed writer and activist, as she shares insights from Johannesburg, South Africa. In this interview, Zukiswa reflects on her literary achievements, activism, and firsthand experiences in Palestine. Tune in for an inspiring conversation!2025-05-1336 minNot to Forgive, but to UnderstandYair Wallach: The Ceasefire, & The Future of Israel-PalestineIn this episode, we are joined by Yair Wallach, Chair of the Centre for Jewish Studies at SOAS, University of London, to discuss the January 2025 ceasefire agreement between Israel and Gaza officials.The conversation examines the immediate and ongoing impacts of the ceasefire, including humanitarian aid access, the temporary pause in hostilities, and the challenges of maintaining peace amid Israeli military operations in Jenin. Yair Wallach also explores the political dynamics shaping the ceasefire’s future, as well as the broader implications for the region.This episode provides critical insight into one of the most pr...2025-05-131h 04Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandJermaine McCalpin: Truth and Reconciliation Commission after the 1972 Genocide in BurundiIn this episode, Jermaine McCalpin joins us for an in-depth conversation on the overlooked 1972 genocide in Burundi. We discuss the historical and political conditions that led to the violence, the colonial construction of ethnic identities, and why Burundi remains absent from most global genocide narratives. Drawing from his fieldwork and oral history projects, McCalpin reflects on the challenges of memory, reconciliation, and international recognition, and shares insights from leading student research trips to the region.00:00 | Introduction & Biography01:52 | Overview of the 1972 Burundi Genocide05:52 | Specific Causes and Political Context in Burundi09:24 | Pre-Colonial Social Divisions and Belgian...2025-05-1253 minNot to Forgive, but to UnderstandThierry Cruvellier: Justice, Memory, and the Limits of the Rwandan Tribunal (ICTR)Join us for a powerful conversation with Thierry Cruvellier, Editor-in-Chief of JusticeInfo.net and author of Court of Remorse and The Master of Confessions, as he reflects on his decades-long journey reporting on international tribunals and transitional justice. In this episode, we delve into the politics behind the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR), the ethical challenges of documenting mass atrocities, and what justice means in the aftermath of genocide. 📚 Learn more about Thierry's work at justiceinfo.net 🔔 Subscribe for more conversations on justice, memory, and accountability#GenocideStudies #InternationalLaw #Rwanda #ThierryCruvellier #JusticeInfo #ICTR #TransitionalJustice #HumanRi...2025-04-141h 16Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandKjell Anderson: The Trial of Dominic Ongwen & the Complexity of Victim-PerpetratorsIn this episode of Not to Forgive, but to Understand, we speak with Kjell Anderson, jurist, social scientist, and expert on mass violence, about the complexities of victim-perpetrators through the case of Dominic Ongwen. We explore the intersection of international law, transitional justice, and the challenges of categorizing perpetrators who were victims themselves. From the use of neuroscience in Ongwen’s trial to the broader implications for legal justice, this conversation critically examines the limitations of binary thinking in international criminal law.🔔 Subscribe for more discussions on genocide studies, justice, and human rights.2025-03-101h 06Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandLeyla Ferman: ISIS, the Islamic State (Daesh), and the 74 genocides against the YazidiLeyla Ferman: A Decade After the Yazidi GenocideIn this episode of Not to Forgive, but to Understand, we speak with Leyla Ferman, Co-Founder of the Yazidi Justice Committee and Director of Women for Justice, about the ongoing fight for justice a decade after the Yazidi genocide. We discuss the legal battles and the resilience of survivors. Featuring selected artworks by Falah Kaboo, as highlighted in Sarwa Azeez’s article Beyond Mourning: Art as Healing a Decade After the Yazidi Genocide.Special thanks to Sarwa Azeez, Falah Kaboo, and Genocide Studies and Prevention: An International Journal for al...2025-02-101h 08Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandCraig Etcheson: Establishing the Khmer Rouge Tribunal (ECCC)In this episode, we sit down with Craig Etcheson to explore his experiences conducting groundbreaking research on the Khmer Rouge and his role in the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia (ECCC). We delve into the continued activities of the Khmer Rouge, the challenges of balancing justice and negotiation, and how narratives surrounding the Cambodian Genocide have evolved over time. Craig shares insights on genocide's legal constitution, the unique challenges faced by post-conflict societies, and parallels between international tribunals. He also offers advice for scholars and reflects on the human capacity for extraordinary evil.00:00:00 Opening and...2024-12-2951 minNot to Forgive, but to UnderstandNyrola Elimä & Ben Mauk: The Persecution of the Uyghurs in China and BeyondIn this episode of Not to Forgive, but to Understand, Sabah Carrim speaks with Ben Mauk and Nyrola Elimä about their investigation published in The New York Times. The article, titled “The Long Road from Xinjiang” in print and “He Made a Daring Escape From China. Then His Real Troubles Began” online, explores the journey of Hasan Imam, a Uyghur refugee fleeing repression in Xinjiang. The discussion delves into Hasan's story and the broader implications of China's transnational oppression. Ben and Nyrola share insights from their years-long investigation, highlighting the extreme challenges Uyghurs face both within China and beyond its borde2024-12-151h 08Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandMorag Grant: Music in War, Torture, and GenocideIn this interview, musicologist Morag Grant, specializing in the intersections of music, violence, and human rights, discusses the ways music has been used in contexts such as mass violence, torture, and genocide. She examines its role in shaping group identity and facilitating acts of violence, as well as its presence in both historical and contemporary detention practices. This conversation provides valuable insights into the complex relationship between music and social behaviors.2024-12-0248 minNot to Forgive, but to UnderstandJeanine Ntihirageza: Epistemicide and the Vestiges of ColonialismIn this episode, we sit down with Jeanine Ntihirageza, an expert in linguistics, refugee studies, and human rights in Africa. Jeanine shares insights from her recent work, “Education and Epistemicide in Africa: Towards an Ubuntu-Based Comprehensive Model of Education.” She explores the concept of epistemicide and its implications for educational practices in post-conflict contexts, challenging us to reconsider how education can serve as a tool for healing and empowerment. Join us for a compelling discussion that reimagines the role of education in addressing historical injustices and fostering resilience in communities.2024-11-041h 01Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandMicki Pistorius: Profiling The Serial Killer and the Mass MurdererIn this episode of 'Not to Forgive, but to Understand,' we sit down with Micki Pistorius, psychologist, author, and profiler. She initiated the Investigative Psychology Unit in the South African Police Service in 1994 and profiled more than 30 serial killers. Her autobiography Catch me a Killer has been turned into a television series. Follow her onhttps://mickipistorius.co.za/https://www.patreon.com/MickiPistoriushttps://www.youtube.com/@MickiPistoriusProfilerOnRecordYou can watch Micki's interview with Sabah titled on "Genocide and Serial Killings: Are there similarities?" on her Patreon link here:...2024-08-2538 minNot to Forgive, but to UnderstandEdward B. Westermann: Alcohol, Music, and GenocideIn this episode of 'Not to Forgive, but to Understand,' we sit down with Edward B. Westermann, Regents Professor of History at Texas A&M University-San Antonio and a renowned scholar on the Holocaust and military history. Westermann discusses the insights from his latest book, 'Drunk on Genocide: Alcohol and Mass Murder in Nazi Germany,' and explores the critical role alcohol played in facilitating Nazi atrocities. He delves into the performative masculinity and bonding rituals among perpetrators, drawing parallels to modern contexts of violence. Join us for a thought-provoking conversation that challenges conventional understandings of genocide and...2024-07-281h 17Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandChigbo Arthur Anyaduba: Memory, Remedy, & Meaning in Genocide StudiesIn this episode we sit down with Chigbo Arthur Anyaduba, a scholar specializing in African and African/Black Diaspora literatures and the cultural representations of genocides. Arthur discusses his recent work, 'Memory/Remedy: Against the Soothsayer’s Practice,' and provides a thought-provoking critique of using memory as a solution for past atrocities. He challenges the notion that remembering alone can prevent future violence and emphasizes the need for addressing the underlying structures that perpetuate conflict. Join us for an in-depth conversation that rethinks traditional approaches to transitional justice.2024-07-141h 16Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandHenry C. Theriault: Genocide Denial, Mass Violence, and ReparationsIn this episode, we welcome Henry C. Theriault, Associate Vice President for Academic Affairs at Worcester State University. Theriault delves into his research on genocide denial, prevention, and reparations, discussing his work with the Armenian Genocide Reparations Study Group. Join us as we explore the complexities of post-genocide relations, mass violence against women and girls, and the quest for justice and accountability in the aftermath of atrocities.2024-06-101h 07Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandBen Meiches: Introducing Brain Science into Genocide StudiesDon't miss our captivating interview with Ben Meiches, a distinguished scholar in global politics and international law. Delving into his groundbreaking article published in the Journal of Genocide Research, Ben unpacks the fascinating relationship between neuroscience, mental harm, and international law. Tune in to explore the innovative approaches shaping contemporary discourse on genocide.2024-04-2858 minNot to Forgive, but to UnderstandJuli Berwald: A Journey to Memorialize Holocaust VictimsJoin us for a heartfelt conversation with Juli Berwald, an acclaimed ocean scientist, and author, along with her father Dr. David Berwald, mother Gail, and nephew Max Stein. Together, they share a poignant family journey rooted in the Holocaust, as depicted in a collection of letters discovered after the passing of Juli's grandmother. Dive into this moving exploration of history, resilience, and the power of familial connection.2024-04-0249 minNot to Forgive, but to UnderstandAmy Frake: Teaching the Holocaust in TexasJoin us as we're privileged to host Amy Frake, Associate Director of Education at Holocaust Museum Houston. Amy shares insights into the museum's impactful Education Department, which brings Holocaust education directly to schools. Gain valuable perspectives on the impact of historical education and the role of museums in fostering understanding and empathy, as Amy delves into her experiences and expertise in this critical field.2024-03-1042 minNot to Forgive, but to UnderstandRobert Tally: Adolf Eichmann in Kurt Vonnegut’s Mother NightJoin us for an insightful discussion with Robert Tally, professor of English at Texas State University. Tally is the author of numerous books, including Kurt Vonnegut and the American Novel: A Postmodern Iconography. In this episode, we delve into the moral dilemmas, thematic depths, and the presence of Adolf Eichmann in Kurt Vonnegut's prolific work, Mother Night (1961).2024-02-1156 min
Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandChristian Gudehus: Changing How We Cite and WriteJoin us for an insightful interview with Christian Gudehus, a faculty member at Ruhr Universität Bochum and former editor-in-chief of Genocide Studies and Prevention. Christian is also the co-founder of HARM, a journal of hostility, aggression, repression, and malice. In this episode, we delve into the complexities of good writing and the challenges faced by writers in the field. Tune in to learn more about changing how we cite and write.2024-02-0450 min
Not to Forgive, but to UnderstandNot to Forgive, but to Understand: Introduction2024-01-2100 min