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Swirl & Sip PodcastA Season of ChangeAnd that's a wrap on Season 4! We can't believe we've made it to the end of another season. In this episode, we're reflecting on the transitions that have happened between when Swirl and Sip first started to now (our 100th episode by the way!). Not only have our boys gotten older, but we've made it through ups and downs, joys and sadness, and a whole pandemic!Like what you heard? Follow to get notified of the newest episodes! Don't forget to rate and review, too!#SharingisCaring share our podcast with a friend, or t...2022-08-0354 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastA Womans RightIn light of the June 24th, 2022 Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe versus Wade, we thought it was important to address the right of women and those who can become pregnant to have easy and safe access to abortion services and to make their own decisions about their reproductive health.In this episode, Devin is sharing her personal story of abortion when she was a teen and we're discussing why access is so important. Episode Resources: podvoices.help abortion.cafe - collection of abortion resources shoutyourabortion.com - campaign to normalize abortion donations4abortion.c...2022-07-2057 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastMama Needs a StaycationMore and more moms are finding the time to take time away! We know that mommying is a full-time job and that it can be hard to find space to reconnect with ourselves. Mom staycations (or even mom solo trips) help us recharge, reconnect, and come back home refreshed. In this episode, Devin and Sasha are talking about why mom solo trips are so important, even when our partners may not understand why. Part of the Boundless Audio Podcast Network Support the show 2022-06-2238 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastAmerica's Gun ProblemTrigger warning for today's episode - we're discussing mass shootings and the recent school shooting. Please listen with your self-care and mental health in mind.As mass shooting continue to happen daily, seventy percent of Americans think enacting new gun control laws should take precedence over protecting ownership rights. As parents, we continue to ask at what point do we say enough. In this episode, we're discussing the gun problem in America, the fear we have for our boys, and why we want everyone to just do better. Episode Resources:Dealing with stress after...2022-06-0849 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastPregnancy During CovidShara is back this episode and we're diving into how her pregnancy has been not only during covid but after recently getting over it as well! We're talking all about how she's adjusted to her "geriatric" pregnancy, how her son Brenden is handling his soon-to-be baby brother's arrival, and how we're both positive that the X-man generation is starting soon! Support the show 2022-05-2549 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastCelebrating Mother's Day and LossWith Mother's Day this Sunday, many moms are gearing up to celebrate and be celebrated. And you know that here at Swirl and Sip, we're big believers in celebrating motherhood and pampering ourselves! But for many, Mother's Day brings a sense of loss, grief, and sadness. In this episode, Sasha and Devin are talking about dealing with the loss of your mom and Mother's Day and lessons we learned from our moms. Support the show 2022-05-0439 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastManaging Our Friends AND Our Mental HealthIf Covid has shown us anything it's that we have all probably reached the limits of what we can mentally handle at a given time. More and more Black and Brown women are understanding the importance of their mental health and tackling things like boundary setting and managing expectations with their families and friends. How do you handle your friendships when you have your own mental health struggles. Or how can you be a better friend when you know your friends are going through things. In this episode, Sasha and Devin are tackling the stigma of mental health and...2022-04-2047 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastThe SlapWe know...you're already done hearing about it. And we are too! We promise this will be the only time you hear us talk about it. We don't normally dabble in current events, but we couldn't resist the urge to share our thoughts on "the slap heard round the world" aka all this Will Smith and Chris Rock drama. In this episode, we're sharing lots of thoughts on everything from respectability politics, men protecting women, and the Jada hate that is simply uncalled for. Episode Transcript_________________________________Like what you heard? Follow to get...2022-04-0649 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastThat's Just My Baby DaddyWe told you last week that this season we'd be doing things a little bit differently...so welcome to our Season 4 guest host - Devin! Devin is the social media manager for Swirl & Sip and a wife and #boymom herself! Throughout the season, she'll be joining Sasha while Shara works on growing her newest bundle of joy!In this episode, we're talking about the struggles that come with baby daddy drama and being a young mom as Devin shares her experience with both! Episode Transcript_________________________________Like what you heard? Follow to get notified of...2022-03-2342 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastChapter 4: Welcome to 2022!Welcome to Season FOUR!!!! We know it's been a while but we are finally back for the 4th season of Swirl & Sip!We had intended to start up sooner, but of course, life happens. You'll have to tune in to hear why we've been a little delayed!In this episode, we're talking about our 2022 goals. After closing our season 3 and turning 35, 2022 came up quickly and without much warning. Take a listen to what our hopes and wishes are for the year ahead. _________________________________Like what you heard? Follow to get notified of the...2022-03-0948 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastNow Entering Year 35Can you believe that we are wrapping up the THIRD season of Swirl & Sip Podcast?!To be honest, this season is ending a little sooner than Seasons 1 and 2. You'll have to tune in to hear why. It's a little bitter-sweet. In this episode, we're talking about LIFE! What we've been through, what we're going through, and what we hope is to come. We're both turning 35 within the next few weeks and have a lot of goals. Shara pointed out that we are now a lot closer to 40 (🤯) so we're manifesting the rest of our 30's. ...2021-09-1550 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastLive in the OverflowSelf-care for women shouldn't be optional!As women, we care for our children, our partners, our homes; we tend to our jobs, our business, our pets, and the list goes on. We are constantly pouring into other people and other things. If you're not practicing self-care, that cup is going to run out before you know it. We've all taken a nap or just taken a step back and felt completely guilty. But why? We need to rest and recharge. And more importantly, we DESERVE it. You've heard this before...Self-care is NOT Se...2021-09-0848 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastFind the FlagsWhether we want to admit it or not, kids are dating a lot earlier now than when we were kids. We're discussing a pretty heavy topic that honestly, should be talked about more...Teen Dating Violence. Even if your children are still young, and nowhere near dating age, it's important to know how to talk to your kids about teen domestic violence and for you to know how to recognize the signs.According to the Teen Dating Violence website, "Healthy relationships require hard work, communication, and a level of maturity that may not be present i...2021-09-0155 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastLetting Our Kids ShineIt's that time of year again, Back-to-School! Many of our kids are either back in school or headed to school very soon, some of them for the first time.With COVID on the rise again, a lot of parents are also considering homeschooling their children this school year.Though we have tried our hand at teaching our babies and toddlers, how do we nurture them to be diligent students and love learning for many years to come?How can we turn everyday activities into opportunities for learning and growth?We are...2021-08-2555 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastFor Better or WorseWe are all familiar with the traditional marriage vows: "I, Sasha take thee, Richard, to be my wedded husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death do us part."But have you really thought about the "in sickness and in health" part? Like REALLY thought about it. What if your spouse had a stroke and required 'round the clock care? What if they suffered from mental health issues and needed you to be their caregiver...2021-08-1844 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastDon't Do Bad ShitA lot of us were brought up totally different than we are bringing up our own kids. Some of us were in church faithfully, every week while others...not so much.How are you approaching religion with your family? Did you have this conversation with your partner before you had children of your own? How they would be brought up. If they would attend church. Which religion they would practice.We can't speak for everyone but studies have shown that millennials are less attached to organized religion than their parents and grandparents were. Do you...2021-08-1159 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastFinding Your CircleHave you ever wondered why friendships as women are so hard to establish and maintain? Think about this, research shows that in our mid-twenties, friendship circles shrink significantly because our priorities shift. Some women are getting married and starting their family, while others are enjoying the single life or focused on their career. Additionally, women put a lot of weight on their friendships with other women. A friends circle is supposed to be a safe and sacred space for women to come together, use their voices, be heard, and be seen. To share experiences with...2021-08-0453 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastSurviving the StormHave you experienced infidelity? Did you choose to stay or go?According to Brides.com “In general, more than half the relationships (55 percent) ended immediately after one partner admits to cheating, with 30 percent deciding to stay together but breaking up eventually, and only 15 percent of couples able to successfully recover from infidelity." Additionally, "The Relish Relationship Report that was conducted at the end of 2020 found that around 26 percent of respondents had experienced infidelity in their marriage: 23 percent emotional, 21 percent physical, and 55 percent experiencing both emotional and physical infidelity.” 😲 Is infidelity a deal-breaker in your marriage? Why or W...2021-07-281h 03

Swirl & Sip PodcastPanny ParentsDid parenting during the pandemic drive you to drink?! We've heard from many of our listeners on just how ROUGH it was to juggle parenting, a relationship with your partner, work, and the many other roles we had to take on. We've all endured stress --- but the added stress of the pandemic was like no other. Today, we are chatting with wife and mom, Keelay Carter about how parenting during a pandemic has changed the dynamics of her marriage. Did you see eye to eye with your partner when making decisions? Did you feel like you h...2021-07-2146 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastIntentionally Single We all have that one friend that KEEPS a man. She always has a new boo or love interest. Then we have that friend that stays single...and you can't quite put your finger on why.Have you ever considered that some women may choose to be INTENTIONALLY SINGLE?They don't want to be with anyone else.They enjoy not dealing with the drama that comes along with dating.They want to focus on themself.They want to heal from past traumas and grow.There are tons o...2021-07-1446 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTraveling While BlackFor nearly 3 decades, the "Negro Motorist Green Book" provided black people with guidance on safe places to eat and sleep when they traveled in the United States during the Jim Crow era. While things may have slightly improved since that time, racism is still very much alive. As a result, we have to take additional precautions to make sure that we and our families are safe when we travel. And that's not just in the United States, but internationally as well. Today, we are talking about our experiences of traveling as women of col...2021-07-0747 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastPassing the Parent TestA LOT of pressure comes along with your partner's parents for the first time. Especially, when you think they are "the one". You want to make a good first impression so every possible scenario runs through your brain. You agonize over your outfit and what to say. Can you say anxiety overload?! We get it. In today's episode, we are joined by Cherrell, also known as @ForwardWithCD to discuss the first time she met her now husband's family and the intense pressure she was under for them to love her.Currently a professional school counselor f...2021-06-3055 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastColor Struck Have you ever been judged or bullied because of the color of your skin? Made fun of because you are "too light" or "too dark"? "Skin color matters because we are a visual species and we respond to one another based on the way we physically present. In today's society, skin color has become a loaded signifier of identity and value". In today's episode, we're talking about Colorism. What is Colorism? Colorism is prejudice or discrimination against individuals based on their skin tone, usually from the same ethnic or racial group. In a country deeply rooted in rac...2021-06-2357 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastPositive ParentingAs a parent, it can be draining to deal with our kids' frustration, emotions, and energy. But have you ever considered that they act out because they do not have the words or reasoning to express how they are feeling? Kids have BIG EMOTIONS and it can be a struggle trying to decipher what is truly going through their minds.Have you found yourself getting frustrated with your children because they don't listen to you? Have you gotten so frustrated that you've YELLED at them? Do you feel guilty afterward, but it's all you know? Unfortunately, many o...2021-06-1652 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastBlended to PerfectionA family embodies many things, but it doesn't always have to be blood... Did you marry someone with kids? Maybe you both came into a relationship with kids of your own? Or perhaps you adopted? How do you manage multiple scheduled? Co-parenting? Resentful children? Regardless of the struggles, blended families are a beautiful thing. No matter how a family comes together, the transition can be a challenge for both parents and children. We're talking all about the good, bad, ups, and downs of blended families with special guest Danielle Meadows-Stinnett. Danielle is the owner of digital branding agen...2021-06-0949 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastEmbracing AmbitionQuestion: What does ambition look like to you? There used to come a time that if you had children, you had to give up your career and stay at home and raise your family. But today, we think that ambition and motherhood go hand in hand. We are driven to provide amazing futures for our children. Some may have great respect for a woman who knows what she wants and goes after it, while it may be perceived negatively by others...especially men. Today, we're joined by Jon'll Boyd of The Eventful Life and discussing how ambitious an...2021-06-0249 min

Swirl & Sip Podcast"Super" First BornDoes your birth order say anything about who you are as a person? Most of us have heard the theory that the order in which you are born, impacts your personality as a child and well into adulthood. While this may not hold true for everyone, studies have shown that it's true in most cases. So of course, today, we are talking all about birth order traits! We are diving into how being the first, middle, youngest, or only child influences your behavior and how parents treat each child differently. And if you want some bragging rights...2021-05-2649 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastWellness RedefinedWhat if we told you that "wellness" as we all know it is a lie?!What is your health made up of? Goals on your Fitbit? Eliminating carbs from your diet? Good test results from the doctor? While being in good physical condition may come to mind when thinking about healthy living and wellness, it’s only a small part of the picture.In today's episode, we're discussing managing wellness while mothering. Dr. Lisa N. Folden is a licensed physical therapist, mom-focused lifestyle coach, and the owner of Healthy Phit Physical Therapy and Wellness Consultants in...2021-05-1957 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastWhen The Dust SettlesThe 4th trimester is the transitional period between birth and 12 weeks postpartum. It is a time of great physical and emotional change as your baby adjusts to the world, and you adjust to life as a mother. In this episode, we are joined by Mercedes Thomas, MSN, APRN, CPNP, IBCLC, also known as "Mercedes the NP". Mercedes is a healthcare consultant, writer, pediatric nurse practitioner, and certified lactation consultant. She is also the author of the best-selling book "What in the Baby?!?: The Modern Mama's Guide to Confidently Caring for Your Baby and Surviving the Postpartum Period," a...2021-05-1257 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastMaking Money MovesIt's finally here - Season Three!!!! We're excited to kick off season three of the podcast and we're starting with celebrating all the ways women make money moves! If the pandemic has taught us anything, it's that women are phenomenal at the hustle game! Did you know that in the last 20 years, the number of women-owned businesses has increased by 114%?! And the number of businesses owned by women of color has grown over 163% in the last 45 years, women in business statistics estimate.With all of the struggles that we have to endure as women, it's a...2021-05-0545 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTasting Notes - EP 202 - Let's Talk About Sex Baby! We love the conversations that happen around our episodes! In this Tasting Notes, we're hearing your feedback on EP 202 - Let's Talk About Sex Baby! In this episode, we talked sex with guest Rashida Ahmed of For The Love Of Yoni. We're tackling how to embrace your sexuality and how to tell your partner EXACTLY what you want! Episode Resources: For The Love Of YoniRashida Ahmed's Instagram______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notified with the newest episodes! Don't forget to rate and review, too!#SharingisCaring share our pod...2021-04-2817 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastS&S Favs - Ask a HusbandEver wish you could know exactly what he was thinking? Would you like to have a man's perspective from time to time?⁠ Is there a situation you could've used some male intuition in?⁠ It's no secret that men and women often THINK and COMMUNICATE differently. ⁠⁠In this episode, we have special guest husbands Brandon (Shara's husband) and Rajesh who was on a Season 1 episode with his wife. We're getting their opinions on why it takes so long for men to decide on marriage, how they really feel about "classy, bougie, and ratchet" women, and if marriage is what the...2021-04-2153 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTasting Notes - EP 214 Special Child, Special MomWe love the conversations that happen around our episodes! In this Tasting Notes, we're hearing your feedback on EP 214 - Special Child, Special Mom. In this episode, we talked with Kacey Dangerfield, aka Kay Alex, who is transparent about her journey with her autistic son, Zander. Kacey gives us great insight into why it's important to get an early diagnosis if you think your child may be special needs and why more Black and brown moms need to open up about the reality of having a special needs child. ______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notif...2021-04-1414 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastS&S Favs - Raising Kings Part IHow do you feel about raising black and brown sons in today's society?⁠ The harsh reality is the world we live in is not safe for black and brown men. Unfortunately, the color of their skin is an automatic strike against them.⁠ ⁠ Are you fearful for your sons future? What are you doing to prepare them for life in this world as a man of color?⁠ Today, we are joined by two very special guests and dads.⁠ We're discussing our hopes, fears, and dreams for raising our black and brown sons in today's society. ⁠ ⁠ Tune in to hear these blac...2021-04-0756 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTasting Notes - EP 221 - Italian ExcursionWe love the conversations that happen around our episodes! In this Tasting Notes, we're hearing your feedback on EP 221 - Italian Excursion. In this episode we talked with Anna Savino about what it's like owning a tour business during a global pandemic and the difference in raising children in Italy. Episode Resources: You can follow Anna on Facebook and Instagram. ______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notified with the newest episodes! Don't forget to rate and review, too!#SharingisCaring share our podcast with a friend, or three!Find out...2021-03-3116 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastS&S Favs - Self Care Isn't Selfish𝗪𝗲 𝗹𝗼𝘀𝗲 𝗼𝘂𝗿𝘀𝗲𝗹𝘃𝗲𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗺𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗵𝗼𝗼𝗱 & 𝘄𝗶𝗳𝗲𝗵𝗼𝗼𝗱.⁠ As mothers and wives, we often put the needs of our children and spouse first. ⁠ However, we have to take care of ourselves to thrive as mothers and wives. ⁠We can't pour into our family and friends if we're pouring from an empty cup. A lot of the times we may feel bad for taking time for ourselves but in reality, if we don't we can't be our best selves. In this episode, we're talking with guest Treanna Neufville of @Modernday_MakeupMommy about self-care and making yourself a priority. ⁠Treanna believes that when we invest in ourselves and show up for ourselves it makes us better in all facets of our lives. Episode Resources: @Modernda...2021-03-2456 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTasting Notes - EP 204 - Putting In That WorkWe love the conversations that happen around our episodes! In this Tasting Notes, we're hearing your feedback on EP 204 - Putting In That Work! In this episode, we talked resetting our marriage expectations with Leasha Ogle, founder of This Thing Called Wife. Leasha is sharing the lessons she's learned after changing her outlook on her own marriage and giving us tools to navigate being a wife! Episode Resources: This Thing Called Wife______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notified with the newest episodes! Don't forget to rate and review, too!#Sh...2021-03-1716 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastS&S Favs - Beauty After BrokenUnfortunately, many parents among us have endured childhood trauma. Though many have been able to move on with their lives, becoming parents themselves can be triggering. Parenting is hard, but parenting as a survivor of childhood trauma can be extremely difficult and terrifying. ⁠ We were super excited to chat with Lonnetta "Lonnie" Grant of Lonnie Enterprises and Dynasty Institute! Lonnie is a childhood trauma survivor and the author of "Beauty After Broken". ⁠ ⁠ Beauty After Broken was birthed from Lonnetta's personal testimony of survival and determination to rise to the top after experiencing severe trauma as a child. Beauty...2021-03-1042 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTasting Notes - EP 222 - Fighting For Our LivesWe love the conversations that happen around our episodes! In this Tasting Notes, we're hearing your feedback on EP 222 - Fighting For Our Lives! In that episode, we tackled the important issue of advocating for yourself and your health. We get it...standing up to doctors or other medical professionals can sometimes be intimidating. But there is no one that cares more about your health than you do so we've found some techniques to help make sure you're being heard. Episode Resources:Doctors Interrupt Patients, Stop Listening After 11 Seconds On Average, Study Says...2021-03-0316 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastS&S Favs - Mommy UnfilteredMake sure the little ones are in a different room when you play this episode! We're talking all about cursing - should women (and especially moms) do it? Some people think it is unbecoming of a woman to throw out a f-bomb every now and then. What about the thought that only uneducated people curse (because they don't know other words). With two master degrees over here, we know that's not true! Is cursing only a "privilege" for men or women without kids?⁠ In this episode we're discussing our thoughts and experiences with being cursing women and moms...who re...2021-02-2440 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastRaising Kings Part IIWe've made it to our Season 2 finale and this week is a continuation of our conversation from EP 224 - Raising Kings Part I. Being mothers of Black and brown sons is not for the faint of heart. While there's a constant worry about the world we're raising our boys in, we're also trying to find a balance to make sure they aren't raised in fear.In our final episode of Season 2, we're talking about our own thoughts when we found out we were having sons and our hopes and dreams for our boys' futures. ______________________________________________________ Li...2021-02-1759 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastRaising Kings Part IHow do you feel about raising black and brown sons in today's society?⁠ The harsh reality is the world we live in is not safe for black and brown men. Unfortunately, the color of their skin is an automatic strike against them.⁠ ⁠ Are you fearful for your sons future? What are you doing to prepare them for life in this world as a man of color?⁠ Today, we are joined by two very special guests and dads.⁠ We're discussing our hopes, fears, and dreams for raising our black and brown sons in today's society. ⁠ ⁠ Tune in to hear these blac...2021-02-1056 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastThe Privilege of Choice⁠Shara and Sasha are both lucky enough to have a choice when it comes to sending their boys to school. We both recognize that having that choice is an immense privilege. Some parents make huge sacrifices to get their kids into better schools, both public and private. Either by moving to more expensive districts or choosing pricey private schools.Today, we are discussing the options we have for our children. Private School vs. Public School. ⁠Which is the better option for your family, budget, and lifestyle?⁠ Have you moved to a certain location solely based on the scho...2021-02-0350 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastFighting For Our LivesDid you know that doctors listen to their patients for an average of just 11 seconds before interrupting them? If you were dealing with pain or an ailment for weeks, is 11 seconds enough time to explain your symptoms and express your concerns?⁠ Of course not!⁠⠀⁠⠀In this week's episode, we're tackling the important issue of advocating for yourself and your health. We get it...standing up to doctors or other medical professionals can sometimes be intimidating. But there is no one that cares more about your health than you do so we've found some techniques to help make sure you'r...2021-01-2748 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastItalian ExcursionWe're on our way to Italy...in our minds of course because it's still a pandemic! Of course, we both love wine so we were ecstatic when we got the chance to talk to our special guest this week - Anna Savino.Anna is originally from Napa, California but has lived in the Piedmont region of Italy since 2005. Her love for the region—and especially the wines of Barolo & Barbaresco—has led to a career in food and wine guiding with her companies Italianna Tours and Barolo Wine Club. She specializes in organizing small group tours and alwa...2021-01-2059 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastNew Year, Same UsIt's a new year and it's been off to a rocky start...BUT good news - we are still the same Sasha & Shara! Are you into goal setting? Do you choose a work of the year? How do you use your word throughout the year? In today's episode, we're discussing goal setting, planners, and vision boards. We're not really into resolutions but we do set intentions and there's definitely a path we see ourselves on.______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notified with the newest episodes! Don't forget to rate and review, to...2021-01-1353 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastIt's Our AnniversaryWe are celebrating the 1-year anniversary of The Swirl and Sip Podcast! Can you believe it's been an entire year?!⁠ ⁠ In the midst of a pandemic, we start a podcast and are only a few episodes away from the end of our second season. We are so grateful for all of our listeners, new and old.⁠ ⁠Today, we are reminiscing about how we got started, and what we have in store for the future of Swirl & Sip. ⁠ ⁠ ______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notified with the newest episodes! Don't forget to rate and review, too!#Sharingi...2021-01-0655 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastI Turn To YouWhile Shara and I are both boy moms, we have both been teen girls...and whew! Our mommas had a hard time.⁠ ⁠ When you were a teen, were you able to confide in your mother? Go to her for advice?⁠ In this episode, we're joined by a very special guest, Aleeka, The Safe Space Curator and diving into why girls do not talk to their moms, and how mothers can create safe spaces to have conversations with their daughters. ⁠ Aleeka Moody aka Ms. Aleeka began her work with children about 10 years ago, as a Program Aide wit...2020-12-3048 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastHome for the HolidaysWe've made it to our first Christmas episode and we're decking the halls! Christmas is a special time of year and of course, every family has their own traditions and celebrations. In this episode, we're talking about how we celebrate the holidays and the type of traditions we hope to carry on in our own families.Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays from Sasha & Shara!______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notified with the newest episodes! Don't forget to rate and review, too!#SharingisCaring share our podcast with a friend, or three!2020-12-2351 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastThose Who MatterIt's been said that maintaining friendships with other women can be quite difficult. Unfortunately, there may be a time or two that you have a conflict with a female friend. Some friendships come to an end for one reason or another while others are meant to stand the test of time. In this episode, we're chatting with the last member of our #WineNight Crew, Alisa of Cosmo Crush about how we fix conflicts among friends. You've heard Shara and Sasha mention Lisa as their go-to hair stylist, but Lisa is also a super close friend to both l...2020-12-1652 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastLoving MeWere you made fun of for having bucked teeth? Being 'too" dark-skinned? Flat-chested? The list goes on. Kids can be cruel. ⁠ ⁠ Fortunately, we were able to embrace what we perceived to be flawed...however, there are times when certain insecurities creep up. ⁠ In this episode, we dug deep and discussed childhood insecurities and how we grew from them. ⁠ ⁠Though everyone encounters some kind of insecurity in life, women seem to be more vulnerable to them. ⁠ We are talking about loving ourselves and growing from our insecurities. ______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notified with the newest...2020-12-091h 02

Swirl & Sip PodcastSpecial Child, Special Mom It's time to break the silence about your kids with disabilities. ⁠If more women-of-color spoke up about their special needs children, so many others would not feel alone.⁠ The black and brown special needs community needs more visibility. Don't be afraid to "label" your child as special needs. That "label" can get you access to the support and resources that you both need. ⁠ In this episode, we're talking with Kacey Dangerfield, aka Kay Alex, who is transparent about her journey with her autistic son, Zander. Kacey gives us great insight into why it's important to get an early d...2020-12-021h 06

Swirl & Sip PodcastGet That Ol' Thing Back𝗛𝗼𝘄 𝘁𝗼 𝗽𝘂𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗦𝗣𝗜𝗖𝗘 𝗯𝗮𝗰𝗸 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗼 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗿𝗲𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀𝗵𝗶𝗽.⁠ Whether you've been with your partner for 2 years or 10, it's important to keep things fresh and new. ⁠You guessed it! This week, we are talking about heating things up in the bedroom with guest Rashida Ahmed of For The Love Of Yoni. Rashida Ahmed, is a regionally recognized sex educator and coach, and the owner For The Love Of Yoni. Rashia has been helping to empower women all over the world shed their sexual shame and embrace and increase their sexual pleasure and well being. Episode Resources: For The Love Of YoniRashida Ahmed's Instagram______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get no...2020-11-2557 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastHealthyish HolidayHave you slacked off on your fitness regimen since COVID started?⁠ ⁠ Are you worried about gaining weight during the Holiday season?⁠ ⁠ In the past several months, it has been EXTRA difficult to focus on fitness and healthy eating. With all of the added stress and responsibilities of our new normal, meal prepping and morning workouts have fallen by the wayside.⁠ ✋🏽Raise your hand if you gain weight during the holidays and make a New Years resolution to get it right, get it tight. ⁠ ⁠ No shame. Today we're talking about how to make healthy choices during and after the holiday season.⁠ ⁠I...2020-11-181h 13

Swirl & Sip PodcastSelf Care Isn't Selfish𝗪𝗲 𝗹𝗼𝘀𝗲 𝗼𝘂𝗿𝘀𝗲𝗹𝘃𝗲𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗺𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗵𝗼𝗼𝗱 & 𝘄𝗶𝗳𝗲𝗵𝗼𝗼𝗱.⁠ As mothers and wives, we often put the needs of our children and spouse first. ⁠ However, we have to take care of ourselves to thrive as mothers and wives. ⁠We can't pour into our family and friends if we're pouring from an empty cup. A lot of the times we may feel bad for taking time for ourselves but in reality, if we don't we can't be our best selves. In this episode, we're talking with guest Treanna Neufville of @Modernday_MakeupMommy about self-care and making yourself a priority. ⁠Treanna believes that when we invest in ourselves and show up for ourselves it makes us better in all facets of our lives. Episode Resources: @Modernda...2020-11-1156 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastWoman Crush...WhateverWhat role does social media play in your relationship?⁠ ⁠ Do you and your spouse post one another on social media?⁠ ⁠ Has social media ever caused any issues in your relationship?⁠ ⁠Most people post the best moments of their lives on social media. It looks like they have the perfect relationship. If you wouldn't post your drama on social media, keep in mind these "perfect couples" are doing the same. ⁠ In this episode, we are talking about social media and the effect they can have on our relationships. The comparison game is real and too often men and women find them...2020-11-0452 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastBeauty After BrokenUnfortunately, many parents among us have endured childhood trauma. Though many have been able to move on with their lives, becoming parents themselves can be triggering. Parenting is hard, but parenting as a survivor of childhood trauma can be extremely difficult and terrifying. ⁠ We were super excited to chat with Lonnetta "Lonnie" Grant of Lonnie Enterprises and Dynasty Institute! Lonnie is a childhood trauma survivor and the author of "Beauty After Broken". ⁠ ⁠ Beauty After Broken was birthed from Lonnetta's personal testimony of survival and determination to rise to the top after experiencing severe trauma as a child. Beauty...2020-10-2842 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastA Place of Our OwnYour favorite Swirl & Sip Podcast hosts are both 𝗛𝗕𝗖𝗨 𝗠𝗔𝗗𝗘!⁠ Proud graduates of North Carolina A&T State University and Bowie State University we both loved our schools and the amazing experience of getting to experience higher education surrounded by Black and Brown people achieving great things!In this episode we are talking about our HBCU experiences, why we chose to attend HBCU's, and the stark different between northern and southern historically black colleges and universities. ⁠ ⁠ ______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notified with the newest episodes! Don't forget to rate and review, too!#SharingisCaring share our...2020-10-2156 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastMore Than A...𝗬𝗼𝘂 𝗔𝗿𝗲 𝗦𝗼 𝗠𝘂𝗰𝗵 𝗠𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗧𝗵𝗮𝗻 𝗝𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝗔...⁠ Mom, Wife, or Business Woman.⁠ Unfortunately, many of us have lost ourselves in motherhood or wifehood.⁠ The relentless pressures of marriage and motherhood do not allow much time to nurture a personal identity. It's also difficult to be yourself in the professional world. ⁠In this episode we are talking to Lindsay Tramel-Jones, wife, mom, soldier, and entrepreneur. Lindsay is the owner of Organized Chaos Design Co. and shares how she juggles the responsibilities of wifehood, motherhood, having a fulltime Army career, and running her own business. Episode Resources: Organized Chaos Design Co.@organizedchaos.designco______________________________________________________ Like...2020-10-1439 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastLook Back At ItHave you done one of those Ancestry DNA tests? Do you know where you 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 came from?⁠ How far back on your family tree have you gone?⁠ Do you plan on teaching your children about your own personal heritage and history (or even learning more about it yourself)? 𝗦𝗰𝗵𝗼𝗼𝗹𝘀 𝗱𝗼𝗻'𝘁 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗰𝘂𝗹𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝘄𝗲 𝗱𝗼.⁠ ⁠ They teach a very high level of "Black History" but it goes a lot deeper than that. ⁠ ⁠In this episode, we are talking about exploring our personal family history. ⁠We're discussing our heritage and why it is important to know your family story. ⁠A lot of us are a lot more complex than we think. ⁠ ⁠ ______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notified with the newest episodes...2020-10-0753 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastAsk A HusbandEver wish you could know exactly what he was thinking? Would you like to have a man's perspective from time to time?⁠ Is there a situation you could've used some male intuition in?⁠ It's no secret that men and women often THINK and COMMUNICATE differently. ⁠⁠In this episode, we have special guest husbands Brandon (Shara's husband) and Rajesh who was on a Season 1 episode with his wife. We're getting their opinions on why it takes so long for men to decide on marriage, how the really feel about "classy, bougie, and ratchet" women, and if marriage is what the...2020-09-3053 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastPutting In That WorkThere is no handbook to marriage. No one teaches us how to be a wife. And many of us walk into marriage with expectations that frankly, won't be met. When expectations don't meet reality, we can find ourselves wanting out.In this episode we're talking resetting our marriage expectations with Leasha Ogle, founder of This Thing Called Wife. Leasha is sharing the lessons she's learned after changing her outlook on her own marriage and giving us tools to navigate being a wife! Episode Resources: This Thing Called Wife______________________________________________________ Like what you he...2020-09-2334 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastMommy UnfilteredMake sure the little ones are in a different room when you play this episode! We're talking all about cursing - should women (and especially moms) do it? Some people think it is unbecoming of a woman to throw out a f-bomb every now and then. What about the thought that only uneducated people curse (because they don't know other words). With two master degrees over here, we know that's not true! Is cursing only a "privilege" for men or women without kids?⁠ In this episode we're discussing our thoughts and experiences with being cursing women and moms...who re...2020-09-1640 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastLet's Talk About Sex Baby!Get ready to talk SEX! We don't shy away from any topic here so in this episode we're diving into the bedroom (or kitchen, sofa, etc) and talking sex with guest Rashida Ahmed of For The Love Of Yoni. We're tackling how to embrace your sexuality and how to tell your partner EXACTLY what you want! Rashida Ahmed, is a regionally recognized sex educator and coach, and the owner For The Love Of Yoni. Rashia has been helping to empower women all over the world shed their sexual shame and embrace and increase their sexual pleasure and...2020-09-0952 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastBrown Skin Girl"The most disrespected person in America is the black woman. The most unprotected person in America is the black woman. The most neglected person in America is the Black woman." -Malcolm XWe're kicking off Season 2 with this brown and black girl magic! In this episode we're talking all about how being a woman with black or brown skin is work! While we've certainly made some progress, we still have so far to go. Women of color on average receive the lowest wages, hold the worst jobs, and are more likely to be unemployed. We deal with...2020-09-0242 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTasting Notes - EP 14 - Love Me In A Special WayWe love the conversations that happen around our episodes! In this Tasting Notes, we're hearing your feedback on EP 14 - Love Me In A Special Way! In that episode, we discussed Love Languages and the book "The 5 Love Languages: The Secret to Love That Lasts" By Gary Chapman. We talked all about how our own love language has changed over the years and how learning to love your partner in the way they receive love can do wonders for your relationship. Resources from this Episode: "The 5 Love Languages: The Secret to Love That Lasts" By Gary Ch...2020-08-2620 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastS&S Favs - Where My Girls AtTake a listen back at our favorite episodes! Having a "mom tribe" can be one of the key things that help you get through motherhood. Ladies who have been or are in the same space as you can serve as a sounding board, coach, or sometimes just your wine buddy. And they don't always have to be moms! Our single friends can be a lifeline to the world we use to know! In this episode, we're talking all about our mom tribes - the friends who hold us down, lift us up, and drink wine with us w...2020-08-1949 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTasting Notes - EP 24 - Classy, Bougie, RatchetWe love the conversations that happen around our episodes! In this Tasting Notes, we're hearing your feedback on EP 24 - Classy, Bougie, Ratchet! In that episode, we discussed "ratchet motherhood" and how you can remain true to yourself while still being a great parent. ⁠Mom shaming is a thing but just because you're a mom doesn't mean you should be judge on how you are as a person!Episode Resources:Is the Party Over? 3 Nightlife No-Nos for Moms - https://www.popsugar.com/family/Party-Over-3-Nightlife--Nos-Moms-27872751______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get noti...2020-08-1217 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastS&S Favs - Snap Back? Take a listen back at our favorite episodes! We've said it time and time again - having a baby changes everything. And for most women, the biggest change of all happens to our bodies. What happens when the baby comes and you look in the mirror and realizes things just ain't sitting the way they use to. In this episode, we're talking all about our struggles with our post-baby bodies and how we're working on our own personal snap backs while learning to love our new bodies. Because self-love is so important, even when you look a li...2020-08-0546 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTasting Notes - EP 20: Are Pinterest Moms Real?We love the conversations that happen around our episodes! In this Tasting Notes, we're hearing your feedback on Episode 20 - Are Pinterest Moms Real? In that episode, we discussed what our own vision boards of motherhood looked like and where we fall short. If this pandemic has taught us anything, it's definitely that finding the time and patience to create Pinterest-worthy fun is so much more challenging than those pins would have you believe. ______________________________________________________ Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notified with the newest episodes! Don't forget to rate and review, too!#SharingisCaring share...2020-07-2925 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastS&S Favs - The Choice Is YoursTake a listen back at our favorite episodes! "When are you having a baby?" "When are you having another baby?" "You'll change your mind." If you're a woman of child-bearing age you've heard these questions many, many times. We've heard it all too. Right after we were congratulated on getting married came the kids questions. And it can be exhausting. In this episode, we're talking all about how we made the decision on what the perfect family size means for us. We talk about everything from how we came to the decision on how many kids to ha...2020-07-2255 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTasting Notes - EP 22: The Wisdom of Our MothersWe love the conversations that happen around our episodes! In this Tasting Notes, we're hearing your feedback on Episode 22 - The Wisdom of Our Mothers! In that episode, we discussed all about how that mother-daughter relationship changes once a grand-baby arrives. Whether you go to your own mom or Google first, there's a lot to be gained from the wisdom of our mothers. Y'all had so much to say and we're sharing our favorite listener reactions! EP 22 Resources:How Your Relationship Changes with Your Mom After You Have Kids - https://madamenoire.com/1008208/how-your-relationship-changes-with-your-mom-after-you-have-kids/2020-07-1519 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastS&S Favs - Retreat, Refresh, and ResetTake a listen back at our favorite episodes! The ladies of Swirl & Sip definitely love to see the world. Between the two of us we've been to several countries and two continents (besides the U.S). Traveling is not only a great way to experience new cultures and places but is an amazing way to bring back that spark that you may have forgotten about in your relationship. In this episode, we're talking all about how travel can save marriages and your sanity with our guests Brianna - one half of Waunderlust Travel. Her and her hubby h...2020-07-0849 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTasting Notes - EP 19: The Great DebateWe love the conversations that happen around our episodes! In this Tasting Notes, we're hearing your feedback on Episode 19 - The Great Debate! In that episode, we discussed the stigmas around working moms and stay-at-home moms and how we decided what works for us. Y'all had so much to say and we're sharing our favorite listener reactions!EP 19 Episode Resources:Moms: Working vs. Staying Home - https://www.parenting.com/pregnancy/planning/working-vs-staying-home/ Surprising Facts and Research About Stay-at-Home Moms - https://www.verywellfamily.com/research-stay-at-home-moms-4047911 Working Moms Happier Than Stay-At-Home Moms, S...2020-07-0121 min

Swirl & Sip Podcast#RonaLifeWe never thought we'd be recording Season 1 in the middle of a worldwide pandemic. Juggling kids, working from home, and husbands, all while worrying about the safety of our families is no joke. Covid-19 (aka the coronavirus) has upended the way the world works and it looks like it's going to be here for a while.In the Season 1 finale, we're talking all about how we've managed quarantine life and how it's effected pretty much every aspect of our lives. Everything from how it's changed our marriage to how we view spending time with our kids. #RonaLife...2020-06-2448 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastClassy, Bougie, RatchetAre you a RATCHET Mom?! ⁠No, not "ghetto" or "hoochie"...just a mom that still likes to have fun.⁠ Do you like to drop it like its hot in front of your husband?⁠ Go out and party with your girls?⁠ Flaunt your new mom hips?⁠⁠In this episode, we are discussing "ratchet motherhood" and how you can remain true to yourself while still being a great parent. ⁠Mom shaming is a thing but just because you're a mom doesn't mean you should be judge on how you are as a person!Episode Resources:Is the Party Over...2020-06-1742 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastEarning Your Spot at the PicnicIn the US and around the world, the treatment of Black men and women by police and the greater society at large as seemed to finally reach its breaking point. Fact - our country was built on the systematic disenfranchisement of Black, Brown, Indigenous, and other People of Color (BIPOC). But that can change. ⁠In this episode, we're speaking to our non-BIPOC listeners (aka our white folks) and sharing our experiences with racism in this country and ways you can be an ally and learn to be anti-racist. Episode Resources: Our White Friends Desiring to...2020-06-101h 04

Swirl & Sip PodcastThe Wisdom of Our MothersWe heard it all the time growing up - "wait until you have your own kids!" We don't realize how much our mothers knew (or didn't know) until we because moms of our own. Having a child can fundamentally change your relationship with your own mother. Some of us are fortunate enough to have mothers that respect our parenting choices, while others are habitual line steppers. ⁠In this episode, we're discussing all about how that mother-daughter relationship changes once a grand-baby arrives. Whether you go to your own mom or Google first, there's a lot to be ga...2020-06-0349 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastAm I A Good Mom?No matter how many times you may hear these things, they simply are NOT true. ⁠Had a C-section? You are a warrior.⁠ Didn't instantly bond with your baby? Totally normal. It will happen, in time.⁠ Breastfeeding is hard AF! Some people may have to exclusively pump. Some may have to formula feed. Who cares?! Fed is best. ⁠Every kid is different. There is no way to know exactly what to do in every parenting situation. Unfortunately, there isn't a parenting manual. ⁠In this episode, we're discussing the "baby blues", postpartum depression, and all the feelings that contribute to that fe...2020-05-2757 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastAre Pinterest Moms Real?Pinterest has taken over as the #1 place to create vision boards of what we want our lives to look like. When it's time to have kids, we moms pin everything from cute meals to extravagant learning activities. But are Pinterest moms real? Does anyone live up to their Pinterest hopes and dreams? In this episode, we're discussing what our own vision boards of motherhood looked like and where we fall short. If this pandemic has taught us anything, it's definitely that finding the time and patience to create Pinterest-worthy fun is so much more challenging than those pi...2020-05-2044 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastThe Great DebateMany women start to think about it before the ever get pregnant - will they continue working or will they be a stay-at-home mom. Ever since women were allowed to start working outside of the home, there's been a debate on which one is better. In this episode, we're discussing the stigmas around working moms and stay-at-home moms and how we decided what works for us. But make no mistake, whichever choice you choose, we support. Moms play an important and amazing role everyday whether it's at home or in an office!Episode Resources:M...2020-05-1355 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastKeeping That Spark AliveWhether you've been together for one year or twenty years, it's so important to keep things new and fresh in your relationship. Throw some kids into the mix and sometimes you can feel like you and your partners have somehow turned into nothing more than roommates. In this episode, we're talking about how to rekindle that spark in your relationship and how to find ways to date your spouse. Dating is stressful enough when you're single but just because there's a ring on it doesn't mean it should end! Episode Resources:Dating While Married: T...2020-05-0651 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastWho Raised You?!You've heard it before - there's no handbook when it comes to raising kids. But what's prety consistent for most parents is the parenting style they fall into. While there are pros and cons to each, learning which one you lean towards can help you understand what type of parent you are. In this episode, we're talking the five common parenting styles and where we think we fall. Everything from free-range parenting to attachment parenting, we've got opinions about them all! Episode Resources:Parenting Style Quiz - https://psychcentral.com/quizzes/parenting-style-quiz/Five T...2020-04-291h 00

Swirl & Sip PodcastI Do, You Don'tWe talk A LOT about marriage on this podcast - and hey, it's because we're both married. But marriage isn't the goal for a lot of people and that is a perfectly valid thing! Forget the stigma, today's it's all about the #nomarriage club! In this episode, we're talking with special guest Marcus (aka Sasha's best friend) about why he has decided marriage isn't for him, and why it's not something that sound necessarily be aspirational or mean that your any less of an adult if you choose not to peruse it. Love is love, no matter i...2020-04-2247 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastSnap Back?We've said it time and time again - having a baby changes everything. And for most women, the biggest change of all happens to our bodies. What happens when the baby comes and you look in the mirror and realizes things just ain't sitting the way they use to. In this episode, we're talking all about our struggles with our post-baby bodies and how we're working on our own personal snap backs while learning to love our new bodies. Because self-love is so important, even when you look a little different than you use to. _______________________________________________________...2020-04-1546 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastLove Me In A Special WayHow many times have you done something to show your partner some love to only have them act unappreciative? Most likely it was because you were speaking YOUR love language and not THEIRS. In this episode, we're talking Love Languages and the book "The 5 Love Languages: The Secret to Love That Lasts" By Gary Chapman. We're talking all about how our own love language has changed over the years and how learning to love your partner in the way they receive love can do wonders for your relationship.Resources from this Episode: "The 5 Love La...2020-04-0847 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastWhere My Girls AtHaving a "mom tribe" can be one of the key things that help you get through motherhood. Ladies who have been or are in the same space as you can serve as a sounding board, coach, or sometimes just your wine buddy. And they don't always have to be moms! Our single friends can be a lifeline to the world we use to know! In this episode, we're talking all about our mom tribes - the friends who hold us down, lift us up, and drink wine with us when we need a moment. Our ladies help t...2020-04-0149 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastBecoming...MamaEven through nine months of pregnancy, you're never really prepared for that moment when you become a mom. As in...labor. Every woman experiences childbirth differently and no matter how many classes you take or women you talk to, you ultimatly have no idea what your experience will be like. In this episode, we're talking the stories of how we became moms - our sons birth stories. We're keeping it real and telling you all those things you might not expect about all the moments leading up to becoming moms. A special thanks to Old W...2020-03-251h 03

Swirl & Sip PodcastThe Ties That Bind UsGrowing up how often did you hear "We've always done it this way" without ever really knowing why. In many families, the way we parent, even the way were are as people, is passed down from generation to generation without explanation. Only tradition. In this episode, Shara's husband Brandon joins us as we talk breaking those generational curses. We're talking everything from why we want to make better health decisions to how we want to parent our sons. _______________________________________________________Like what you heard? Subscribe to get notified with the newest episodes! Don't forget to rate and...2020-03-1853 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastThe Choice Is Yours"When are you having a baby?" "When are you having another baby?" "You'll change your mind." If you're a woman of child-bearing age you've heard these questions many, many times. We've heard it all too. Right after we were congratulated on getting married came the kids questions. And it can be exhausting. In this episode, we're talking all about how we made the decision on what the perfect family size means for us. We talk about everything from how we came to the decision on how many kids to have and why even asking the question needs t...2020-03-1155 min

Swirl & Sip PodcastTalk Money To Me!We've all heard what they say - money is the #1 cause of divorce. In the U.S. most folks aren’t taught how to deal with their finances. There’s no “Money 101” course in high school or college. Often, we’re left to piece together what we saw our parents do and throw in some things we may have learned along the way. In this episode, we're talking all about our money mindsets and how we came to learn about handling our coins. In our own marriages, we handle the money a little differently but we've found a system th...2020-03-0449 min