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Spiritual, Not ReligiousShame, Guilt, and the Stories We Tell Ourselves- Part 2In “Guilt, Shame, and the Stories We Tell Ourselves — Part 2,” the Spiritual Not Religious team continues their deep dive into the difference between guilt and shame and explores how the church has sometimes used both for formation—and, at times, for control. Drawing on insights from Brené Brown and faith-based counseling language that frames guilt as conviction and shame as condemnation, the conversation traces these dynamics through biblical stories like Genesis and Jesus’ response to the woman caught in adultery. Along the way, Shawn, James, and Mollie reflect on personal experiences of “church hurt,” the role of vulnerability and safe community...
2026-02-111h 03
Spiritual, Not ReligiousGuilt, Shame, and the Stories We Tell Ourselves- Part 1In this first episode of a two-part series, the Spiritual Not Religious crew explores the difference between guilt and shame—and why confusing them can quietly shape our identity, relationships, and mental health. Guilt tends to focus on behavior (“I did something bad”) and can open a path toward honesty, repair, and growth. Shame sinks deeper (“I am bad”) and often thrives in secrecy, people-pleasing, defensiveness, and harsh self-talk. Along the way, the hosts reflect on how shame can become trauma, why naming what we feel gives us power, and how empathy and safe community can shrink shame’s grip. Part t...
2026-01-2858 min
Spiritual, Not ReligiousSafe Enough to Ask: Making Room for Gen Z’s DoubtsIn this episode of Spiritual, Not Religious, Shawn Winburn, Mollie June Miller Bachman, and cohost James Henry sit down with Dr. Tanita Maddox (Young Life’s National Director for Generational Impact and a Gen Z researcher) to explore insights from her book What Gen Z Really Wants to Know About God. With warmth and humor (including a memorable “Ghostbusters of hot chocolate” backpack), Tanita shares how her decades in youth ministry led her to realize Gen Z isn’t “harder” so much as living in a different world—marked by anxiety, suffering on constant display through digital media, and a pervasive lo...
2026-01-071h 00
Spiritual, Not ReligiousThankful for Doubt: When Questions Deepen FaithThe hosts of Spiritual, Not Religious return from a two-month hiatus with a Thanksgiving-week conversation about being grateful for doubt. Shawn, James, and Mollie swap stories from their own faith upbringings—where questions were sometimes discouraged—and contrast that with the safe, curious spaces they now try to create for young and emerging adults. Drawing on biblical examples (Thomas, Peter, Job, the psalmists, Jacob, Abraham, Isaiah) and Kathleen Norris’ reminder that belief is a process rather than a product, they explore how honest questions, spiritual wrestling, and even anger at God can deepen rather than destroy faith. They talk about...
2025-11-2659 min
Spiritual, Not ReligiousEveryday Faith: Beyond the Sunday BoxIn this eleventh episode of Spiritual, Not Religious, Shawn, Mollie, and James explore why many young people say faith matters yet struggle to let it shape everyday choices. Drawing on campus ministry experience, Aramaic insights about wholeness and “shalom,” and the fruit of the Spirit, they contrast “looking spiritual” with actually loving people in concrete ways—kindness, courage, and integrity when it’s inconvenient. They unpack the tension between fitting in and standing out, the trap of compartmentalizing faith to Sundays, and how practices (do no harm, do good, and keep close to God) gradually ripen character. The episode lands with p...
2025-10-0157 min
Spiritual, Not ReligiousWorship, Discipleship, and the Way of JesusIn this tenth episode of Spiritual, Not Religious, hosts Shawn Winburn, James Henry, and Mollie June Miller Bachman welcome their very first guest, Bridget Williams, for a thoughtful conversation on the tension between following Jesus’ teachings and worshiping him. Bridget shares her spiritual journey from a Catholic upbringing to her current work with Appalachia Service Project in Kentucky, highlighting her exploration of diverse worship traditions. The group discusses how elevating Jesus too highly can make his example seem unattainable, whereas his life was meant to model a way of living accessible to all. Together they reflect on worship as mo...
2025-08-2758 min
Spiritual, Not ReligiousDenominations and the Search for BelongingWE'RE BACK AND GLAD TO BE! In this thoughtful and spirited episode of Spiritual, Not Religious, hosts James, Mollie, and Shawn return after a springtime hiatus to explore the question that often confuses and overwhelms emerging adults: why are there so many Christian denominations, and do they help or hinder our spiritual growth? Reflecting on their own transitions—James’s move to a new church, Mollie’s recent marriage and upcoming travels—they dive into a heartfelt conversation about faith, identity, and the search for meaningful community. The trio examines the roots of denominational differences, the role of doctrine and trad...
2025-07-1654 min
Spiritual, Not ReligiousContemplative Practices for Real LifeIn this heartfelt and often humorous episode of Spiritual Not Religious, hosts James Henry, Mollie June Miller, and Shawn Winburn dive deep into the power and accessibility of contemplative spiritual practices—especially for young and emerging adults navigating chaotic transitions and soul-deep questions. From centering prayer to breath work, yoga, journaling, and sacred word meditation, the trio shares personal stories and practical tools for grounding in God’s presence amid the noise of daily life. They introduce the concepts of consolation and desolation, encouraging listeners to embrace both as part of the spiritual path, and remind us that there’s no o...
2025-05-071h 17
Spiritual, Not ReligiousFailure to Launch?In this heartfelt and engaging episode, hosts James, Mollie, and Shawn explore the complexities facing young and emerging adults as they navigate the uncertain terrain of calling, purpose, and expectations. With honesty and humor, they reflect on cultural pressures around success, the challenges of student debt and cost of living, and the misconception that not having it all figured out by your 20s means you’ve somehow failed. Through storytelling, stats, and spiritual reflection, the trio reframes “failure to launch” as an invitation to redefine success, honor personal timing, and embrace the slow unfolding of one’s unique path. Whether...
2025-04-161h 03
Spiritual, Not ReligiousFaith in Action: How Young Adults Are Redefining SpiritualityThe podcast episode of Spiritual Not Religious explores the deep spiritual longings of young adults and their evolving relationship with faith and church. Hosts Shawn, Mollie, and James discuss a recent study from Faith for Exiles that identifies three key desires among emerging adults: a faith that connects with their world, a belief that God is more active outside traditional church walls, and a desire to live out their faith without withdrawing from society. They reflect on how Jesus modeled an engaged, mission-driven life and how many young adults resonate more with hands-on service, justice, and community action than...
2025-03-191h 09
Spiritual, Not ReligiousRoadblocksIn this episode of Spiritual Not Religious, hosts Shawn Winburn, Mollie June Miller, and James Henry dive into the roadblocks that hinder faith journeys, particularly for young adults navigating spirituality outside traditional religious spaces. They discuss how rigid theology, church hurt, and institutional barriers often push the spiritually curious away—and explore ways to reimagine faith communities as spaces of openness, belonging, and authentic conversation. Drawing from personal experiences, theological reflections, and insights from authors like Mark Matlock and Michael Beck, they challenge the church to shift from exclusionary practices to an invitational model of faith. Join the conversation as...
2025-03-051h 11
Spiritual, Not ReligiousWho Is God?In this episode of Spiritual, Not Religious, hosts Mollie June Miller, Shawn Winburn, and James Henry dive into one of the most foundational and complex topics in faith: Who is God? They explore how our understanding of God shapes every other relationship in our lives, drawing from a thought-provoking quote by Pastor Brian Erickson.The hosts discuss the many ways people perceive God—from an authoritarian figure to a loving and creative force—and how these views impact our faith, decisions, and interactions with others. They emphasize the importance of moving beyond rigid definitions, ackn...
2025-02-1957 min
Spiritual, Not ReligiousHearing God's VoiceIf you’ve ever wrestled with the question of whether God speaks—and if so, how to hear that voice amid life’s noise—this episode of Spiritual Not Religious is for you. Hosts Mollie June Miller, Shawn Winburn, and James Henry dive deep into the complexities of hearing God in a world filled with competing voices. They explore personal experiences, biblical stories, and practical spiritual practices—from silence and nature walks to music, service, and sacred reading. Whether you’ve longed for a clear sign from above or simply want to cultivate a deeper awareness of divine guidance in your dail...
2025-02-0559 min
Spiritual, Not ReligiousReligious?We've said we're spiritual, not religious. But just what does "religious" mean? Are our differences irreconcilable?
2025-01-2256 min
Spiritual, Not ReligiousExploring IdentityFiguring out who we are is a lifelong journey. In this podcast, we share some thoughts about what identity is.
2025-01-0856 min
Spiritual, Not ReligiousSpiritual, Not Religious- TeaserHey, we hope you will join us for our twice monthly podcast that drops live at 8:00AM Eastern on Wednesday, January 8, 2025. This is a short teaser invite. See you there!
2024-12-1601 min
What's Happenin with Carolina ChuckShawn Johnson Watertown WolvesShawn is one of the Managers for the Watertown Wolves, a minor league Hockey team.
2024-10-3050 min
What's Happenin with Carolina ChuckShawn Massey the Furniture GuyShawn Massey is well known in the local area of Watertown NY as the Furniture Guy. He's the owner of Massey's Furniture Barn and several other businesses under the Massey brand. His advertisement is next to none locally and really stands out in radio, tv, and social media.
2024-06-1333 min
The Goodness of GodMatthew 18:15-20Pastor Trey and Pastor Emily are joined by Shawn Winburn and Shaun Sandefur from the Spiritual But Not Religious podcast to deep dive on church conflict, how it can bleed into everyone's spiritual life, and how to make church more a place for more kinds of people. Do you want more young folks in your faith community? Shawn and Shaun do a show on that, and the answer may surprise you! Actually be a decent and humble church.Want to hear Shawn and Shaun's show?https://www.youtube.com/@SpiritualNotReligiousPodcast
2023-09-121h 23