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All Out in the OpenAt Last They’re on the Podcast with Cynthia WinWard and Susan HinckleyThis week’s ALL Together episode features Cynthia Winward and Susan Hinckley, hosts of a podcast and authors of a book called At Last She Said It. They started their podcast to amplify the unspoken thoughts and feelings of Latter-day Saint women who feel out of place. Cynthia and Susan discuss the power of hearing people’s stories, embracing change as individuals and a living Church, and loving our family members as God does.2025-07-011h 00
Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard OstlerEpisode 826: Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward, New Book: “At Last She Said It”My dear friends, Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward, (co-founders of the “At Last She Said It Project” which includes their groundbreaking podcast—with over 200 episodes and 2+ million downloads) join us to talk about their new book.
Their book (published by Signature Books) invites readers to consider new perspectives, be open to changing our minds, and how growth can be uncomfortable—and how this leads to helping more fellow Latter-day Saints feel valued, welcome and how to have more belonging.
The book helps us better understand patriarchy within the church and how this can cause pain for both women and men—and what w...2025-04-281h 21
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Title: At Last She Said It
Author: Susan Hinckley, Cynthia Winward
Narrator: Susan Hinckley, Cynthia Winward
Format: mp3
Length: 8 hrs and 38 mins
Release date: 04-24-25
Ratings: 5 out of 5 stars, 11 ratings
Genres: Christianity
Publisher's Summary:
“Women of faith, discussing complicated things.” That’s how authors Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward describe At Last She Said It, and they don’t expect the knots to untangle themselves. Even with two very different personalities and a decade or so between them, as their friendship developed they kept stumbling onto what felt like an uncan...2025-04-248h 38Discover Your Day With A Vivid Full Audiobook.At Last She Said It by Susan Hinckley, Cynthia WinwardPlease visithttps://thebookvoice.com/podcasts/2/audible/46437to listen full audiobooks.
Title: At Last She Said It
Author: Susan Hinckley, Cynthia Winward
Narrator: Susan Hinckley, Cynthia Winward
Format: mp3
Length: 8 hrs and 38 mins
Release date: 04-24-25
Ratings: 5 out of 5 stars, 11 ratings
Genres: Social Sciences
Publisher's Summary:
“Women of faith, discussing complicated things.” That’s how authors Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward describe At Last She Said It, and they don’t expect the knots to untangle themselves. Even with two very different personalities and a decade or so between them, as their friendship developed they kept stumbling onto what felt like an...2025-04-248h 38Step Inside An Soul-Stirring Full Audiobook And Elevate Your Mindset.At Last She Said It by Susan Hinckley, Cynthia WinwardPlease visithttps://thebookvoice.com/podcasts/2/audible/48926to listen full audiobooks.
Title: At Last She Said It
Author: Susan Hinckley, Cynthia Winward
Narrator: Susan Hinckley, Cynthia Winward
Format: mp3
Length: 8 hrs and 38 mins
Release date: 04-24-25
Ratings: 5 out of 5 stars, 11 ratings
Genres: Christianity
Publisher's Summary:
“Women of faith, discussing complicated things.” That’s how authors Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward describe At Last She Said It, and they don’t expect the knots to untangle themselves. Even with two very different personalities and a decade or so between them, as their friendship developed they kept stumbling onto what felt like an uncan...2025-04-248h 38Step Inside This Captivating Full Audiobook — Perfect During Your Workout.At Last She Said It by Susan Hinckley, Cynthia WinwardPlease visithttps://thebookvoice.com/podcasts/2/audible/51093to listen full audiobooks.
Title: At Last She Said It
Author: Susan Hinckley, Cynthia Winward
Narrator: Susan Hinckley, Cynthia Winward
Format: mp3
Length: 8 hrs and 38 mins
Release date: 04-24-25
Ratings: 5 out of 5 stars, 11 ratings
Genres: Spirituality
Publisher's Summary:
“Women of faith, discussing complicated things.” That’s how authors Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward describe At Last She Said It, and they don’t expect the knots to untangle themselves. Even with two very different personalities and a decade or so between them, as their friendship developed they kept stumbling onto what felt like an uncan...2025-04-248h 38Get Hooked On A Full Audiobook That Is Simply Spellbinding.At Last She Said It by Susan Hinckley, Cynthia WinwardPlease visithttps://thebookvoice.com/podcasts/2/audible/46437to listen full audiobooks.
Title: At Last She Said It
Author: Susan Hinckley, Cynthia Winward
Narrator: Susan Hinckley, Cynthia Winward
Format: mp3
Length: 8 hrs and 38 mins
Release date: 04-24-25
Ratings: 5 out of 5 stars, 11 ratings
Genres: Social Sciences
Publisher's Summary:
“Women of faith, discussing complicated things.” That’s how authors Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward describe At Last She Said It, and they don’t expect the knots to untangle themselves. Even with two very different personalities and a decade or so between them, as their friendship developed they kept stumbling onto what felt like an...2025-04-248h 38
Parrish The ThoughtEpisode 187: Cynthia Winward and Susan Hinckley | Hosts of the At Last She Said It podcast.Ladies and gentlemen and whomever else is listening. Whether you're a longtime listener or tuning in for the first time, I truly appreciate your support. Your time and attention mean the world to me, and I don’t take it for granted.
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Today, my guests are the hosts of the popular Mormon podcast called At Last She Said It. Women of faith talking about complicated things. Please welcome Susa...2025-03-311h 01
At Last She Said ItEpisode 211: Who's the Decider? | A Conversation with Natalie BrownWhen asked about the possibility of priesthood ordination for women in 1998, Pres. Gordon B. Hinckley famously told Larry King, “It would take another revelation to bring that about. I don’t anticipate it.” Big changes have come following revelations in LDS history, but must prophetic revelation always precede change? Even on a local level, many leaders are hesitant to innovate in small ways. Natalie Brown posits that “not every small experiment should require prophetic sign off.” In Episode 211, she joins Cynthia and Susan for a conversation about how change happens—or doesn’t—at church. Do debate and discussion have a place, and if s...2025-02-111h 00
At Last She Said ItEpisode 207: What About Religiosity, Violence and Abuse? | A Conversation with Dr. Susan MadsenWhen it comes to talking about abuse and violence against women, “You have to become comfortable with being uncomfortable,” explains Susan Madsen. In Episode 207, Dr. Madsen joins Susan and Cynthia for a conversation about the link between religiosity and abuse, and the power disparity that fosters it. Even where the Church is strongest, the statistics are troubling, to say the least. How might our church and its members move from lip service to leading "the army to protect home, family, and children?” 2025-01-141h 08
No Empty ChairsEmbracing My Journey - An Interview with Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward of At Last She Said It - Episode 33Send us a textCandice talks with Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward as part of At Last She Said It's "Embracing Your Journey" seriesQuotes from the episode“A covenant is not a cage” -Candice“People want to hear what I have to say” - Candice"Your Divine Nature and Eternal Destiny" by Dale Renlund, April 2022At-One-Ment, by Thomas Wirthlin McConkie“Big Voice—go ahead.” —Mrs. Frazzled (here)“God is in relentless pursuit of you.” —Patrick KearonYou found me! If what you heard on the No Empty C...2024-09-1754 min
Unleashing Sister Saints90. Season Final ThoughtsToday I share my 90th episode before taking a break for the summer, and perhaps longer. In this episode, I share a few final thoughts, including inspiring quotes from leaders on the potential of women’s impact on the Church and the world, and some personal disappointment in the roadblocks women face in making our full influence felt
generally, in the Church. Do you have any thoughts, questions, concerns, or suggestions? I love to hear from
you: email me at unleashingsistersaints@gmail.com
“God sent you here to prepare for a future greater than anything you ca...2024-05-1512 min
Utah Women & Leadership PodcastNew Research: The Status of Women in Utah Politics: A 2024 UpdateAlthough Utah has a rich heritage of women’s involvement in voting, advocacy, and various types of political participation, for decades Utah has lagged the nation in terms of women running for and serving in elected political roles. The Utah Women & Leadership Project (UWLP) began reporting on the status of women in Utah politics in 2014, with updates in 2017, 2021, 2022, 2023, and now 2024. Although strides have been made to increase the number of women serving in political roles in the last decade, there is still work to do. This episode will focus on the status of women in Utah politics in 2024....2024-03-0736 minUnleashing Sister Saints67. Hidden Pearl: Making Greater ImpactJoin me this week as I share three profound quotes from prophets of the Lord about women's potential impact to bring light, hope, and peace to the world. When I use the phrase “unleashing sister saints,” this is what I mean! How can we as women be the force the Lord needs to lift millions who suffer and need the hope of the Savior on our planet? This "Hidden Pearl" was one of my earliest episodes (#4) and has become a listener favorite.
“Much of the major growth that is coming to the Church in the last days will come...2023-11-2211 min
At Last She Said ItSpeaking in Sacrament Meeting | The Susan EditionIt sounds simple to say I must love my neighbor as I love myself, but what does that really look like? We have an unfaltering example in Jesus, whose works offered a living reflection of his teachings about the nature of God. The scriptures may be full of unclear translations, contradictory ideas, metaphors that have lost meaning over time, and laws that have lapsed. But Christ’s actions show clearly who God is, and how God loves. In episode 131, Cynthia and Susan discuss the real challenge of discipleship: following Jesus’ example of compassion.2023-03-281h 04
At Last She Said ItRaising Health Kids in the Church—A Conversation with Michelle LarsonFor women who have experienced some kind of faith shift or feminist awakening, how to raise children in the Church may become a perplexing question. We may want something different from the messaging and experiences—cultural or religious—we grew up with. We may want a more expansive idea of God than is presented in correlated materials. We may hold more nuanced views than some official positions. We may wonder how to answer questions about issues to which we don’t really have answers ourselves. In episode 111, Cynthia and Susan are joined by Michelle Larson who assures us all parents get so...2022-09-2058 min
At Last She Said ItWe Don't Believe Our Own Stuff: Repentance EditionHow do you think about repentance? Is it a way to become pure? A way to change direction? A way to accept responsibility for harm we’ve caused ourselves or others? And how do you feel about an organization that doesn’t apologize? Can we make amends without acknowledging harm? Repentance is something we hear and talk a lot about at church, but we don’t all think about it the same way. In Episode 110, Cynthia and Susan share personal ideas about repentance, and discuss whether or not Latter-day Saints believe our own stuff when it comes to the second fundam...2022-09-1359 min
At Last She Said ItBONUS—A Few More Thoughts About SealingsIn this short bonus episode, Cynthia and Susan share a few more listeners' experiences and feelings about temple sealings and the policies around them. Spoiler: It's complicated.2022-09-0914 min
At Last She Said ItIn Search of Self — A Conversation with C.A. LarsonHaving learned about her well-defined role as a wife and mother from the time she is a young girl, when and how does a Latter-day Saint woman develop an understanding of who she is as an individual? Over time, not living in alignment with our true self is exhausting, and may be detrimental to health and happiness. ‘Finding yourself’ may sound cliché, but self-discovery is key to making choices about our life and identity that will lead to personal fulfillment. Therapist C.A. Larson joins Cynthia and Susan for a conversation about some of the unique challenges LDS women may face...2022-08-301h 03
At Last She Said ItWhat About Blessings? Part 2‘Blessing’ is a catch-all word. From prosperity gospel to the laying on of hands, it is used to describe a transactional approach to our relationship with God: we do something and believe we are ‘blessed’ as a result. But when we try to connect those specific dots in our lives, things can get tricky. Such a transactional view may challenge our faith as often as it affirms it. In this follow-up conversation, Cynthia and Susan take another look at some complicated ways Latter-day Saints perceive, experience, and express the idea of blessing.2022-08-231h 03
At Last She Said ItThe Process of Staying...A Few More Thoughts—BONUSIn this short bonus episode, Susan shares “Circles of Light,” the essay in which the phrase ‘I’m in the process of staying’ originated.2022-08-1916 min
At Last She Said ItThe Process of Staying“Why do you stay? How do you stay?” Because the conversations on this podcast often highlight problems Latter-day Saint women have observed or experienced in their church lives, these questions come up a lot. Every so often, it’s helpful to check in with oneself for the current answers. In this episode, Cynthia and Susan discuss the process of staying: what that process looks like for them, and why they each continue to find value engaging with it today.2022-08-1659 min
At Last She Said ItWhat About Missions? A Conversation with Apple LanmanThere’s a lot of pressure around missions in the Church. From the time they are very young, our children hear the clear expectation that they will serve. But the decision to serve, the realities of mission life, the possibility of returning home early, and the pressure to make big life decisions soon after a mission ends, can all weigh heavily on young Latter-day Saints and their families. “The reality of mission life both pre- and post-mission is hard!” says therapist Apple Lanman, who joins Cynthia and Susan for a discussion of some of the complexities—personal, family, cultural, and institut...2022-08-0959 min
At Last She Said ItDid It Ever Matter?There’s a tension in our church between things that change and things that some members consider to be unchangeable. It can be hard to distinguish between the two, and our history would suggest that more things are probably changeable than we think. Figuring out what matters, why it does, and when that may change is an ongoing process, personally and institutionally. To answer those questions for ourselves, we must approach practices and programs in a way that helps us uncover spiritual meaning in them—or sometimes not. In this conversation, Cynthia and Susan talk about some specific changes they’ve exp...2022-08-0259 min
At Last She Said ItStill Ultimate, Still a Big Deal—BONUSIn this short bonus episode, Cynthia and Susan say a little bit more about the temple—a topic so big, there will always be more to say.2022-07-2927 min
At Last She Said ItThe Ultimate Big Deal, Part 3For our 100th episode, what could be more fitting than a discussion about the temple? It’s the centerpiece of Latter-day Saint worship members believe sets our church apart from all others. Many women can trace their most sacred experiences to it, but for others—from the wording to the rituals—attending the temple causes deep unease. Having complicated feelings about something so reverenced can be a struggle to admit, even to oneself. In this conversation, Cynthia and Susan highlight the emotions and experiences of women who generously shared their hearts with us on this difficult topic. 2022-07-261h 02
At Last She Said ItThe Invisible WomanThe term ‘invisible woman’ refers to the feeling many women have that they lose social value as their ability to attract the male gaze fades with age. But do older women disappear in church, as well as in society? And how might a woman’s spirituality change as she moves through her second half of life? Cynthia and Susan explore their own experiences and those of listeners in this conversation about the impact of aging on women’s church lives and personal faith.2022-07-1257 min
At Last She Said ItChrist Chose WomenWhen one thinks about the events of Jesus’ life and ministry, it’s natural to think about women. The Bible shows us a man whose inclusion of women was radical within its cultural context. Yet for most of history, his namesake religion has been marked by near-total domination of the patriarchy. What happened? Greg Prince once asked Chieko Okazaki a question that bears repeating: “…where do we need to go to get women in the Church where He wants them to be?” In this episode Cynthia and Susan pose that question again in a conversation shining light on a few of the wom...2022-07-0554 min
At Last She Said ItThe God of All of UsIf you grow up in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is God a man, a woman, or both? It’s a complication we bump up against a lot, if only indirectly, in our religion where God is Heavenly Father, but is also one of a pair of Heavenly Parents. Some members don’t seem to notice the absence of the divine feminine in our collective dialogue and worship, while some feel it acutely and yearn for more. But as a church we don’t talk about it, so the wrestle with questions is often a private one. In thi...2022-06-2855 min
At Last She Said ItEveryone Back to Church—BONUSIn this brief bonus episode, Cynthia and Susan discuss some effects of the pandemic on their own faith and church lives.2022-06-2310 min
At Last She Said ItEveryone Back to Church...Maybe?The pandemic that interrupted attendance for all members forced an unprecedented change in our personal church habits and activity. It blurred the distinction between work, education, church, and family lives. Many saw the shift to “home-based, church-supported” as a prophetic precursor to this change, and leaned into the opportunity presented by it. For some normal attendance has now resumed, while others are choosing to reengage differently in church activity going forward. For this episode, Cynthia and Susan asked women how the pandemic had affected their personal faith journey and relationship with the Church. What changed? What didn’t? And what opport...2022-06-2158 min
At Last She Said ItHow To Be a Smart MouthHow we communicate with other Church members can be as important as what we’re trying to say. Women are at a disadvantage with less freedom and opportunity to speak truth to those in authority. Even when we do get the floor, sometimes things as innocuous as pitch, accent, and personal style determine whether we’re listened to or dismissed. In this conversation, Cynthia and Susan explore ideas and experiences around LDS women speaking up in ways that will be heard. 2022-06-1459 min
At Last She Said ItWhat About Sad Heaven?What do you envision when you think about a next life? Happiness? Answers? Judgment? Question marks? There are as many images of the afterlife as there are people to imagine it. But for some Latter-day Saints, the official picture painted at church doesn’t feel entirely hopeful or comforting. To kick off Season 5, Cynthia and Susan unpack the idea of “sad heaven,” an eternity spent with empty chairs where some of the people we love most should be.2022-05-2459 min
At Last She Said ItWho's Stopping You?Who's stopping you? From doing what you want to do, believing what you want to believe, praying how you want to pray, feeling how you want to feel about a thing, or making a choice you want to make…who’s stopping you really? In this season finale episode, Cynthia and Susan revisit the theme of personal spiritual empowerment, share wisdom from listeners, and add a P.S. to their conversations from Season 4.2022-03-221h 07
At Last She Said ItBut What Do I Believe?What do we believe? In 1842, Joseph Smith penned 13 answers to that question, explaining the basic doctrines and practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We all know his Articles of Faith. But there's a deeper question that sits at the center of each woman's faith life: What do I believe? Lyric Montgomery Kinard joins Cynthia and Susan for a discussion about personal vs. institutional articles of faith. Though they may change with our life experience, is there value in not just thoughtful consideration of our own beliefs, but actually writing the answers to that question down for...2022-03-1559 min
At Last She Said ItTalking Across the FenceSometimes it can be hard to talk with other Latter-day Saints about church things on which we don't agree, even if we have an otherwise close relationship. Is it possible to understand a person whose experiences have been very different from our own? Jeralee Renshaw joins Cynthia and Susan to discuss practical approaches for handling tricky topics in ways that can create space for a diversity of ideas and experiences. 2022-03-0856 min
At Last She Said ItMaking PeaceWhere can we turn for peace? When we're trying to find it, peace can feel elusive. But can we learn to create it for ourselves? What about when we're experiencing big changes in our lives, our relationships, or our faith? In this conversation, Cynthia and Susan discuss ideas, tools, and tactics for taking more ownership of our personal peace.2022-02-221h 01
At Last She Said ItHoly DiscomfortWe experience all kinds of discomfort across a lifetime, but how can we know when we're in the type of liminal space that may have the potential to lead to big growth? Can we find clues about where to go next in the messages our minds and bodies are sending us? And is it possible to ever become okay with feeling uncomfortable? Cynthia and Susan explore the idea of reframing or repurposing some discomfort to make it not only useful, but maybe even holy.2022-02-151h 04
At Last She Said ItWe Don't Believe Our Own Stuff: Revelation EditionRevelation is a big word for Latter-day Saints. We use it to describe foundational tenets of our faith like personal revelation, continuing revelation, and prophetic revelation. But have a conversation with other members and you may find you don't think about revelation in exactly the same ways. What kind of revelation do you rely on most, and why? Cynthia and Susan discuss this question and others in a conversation about how revelation functions in their faith lives, and how learning to trust themselves has been important in an evolving relationship with this complex idea.2022-02-0859 min
At Last She Said ItWhen Church Isn't SafeFor a Latter-day Saint woman who has suffered sexual abuse or other trauma, church can feel triggering. If the abuse involved leaders or fellow members, finding a path to healing within her church community may be even more difficult. Bergen Hyde joins Cynthia and Susan to discuss situations and experiences that can make church unsafe. It's an emotional, enlightening glimpse at some of the incredible burdens we may not realize many vulnerable sisters struggle to carry in the seats beside us. 2022-02-0158 min
At Last She Said ItReal Talk Around MotherhoodHelping kids navigate the gap between a quickly changing world and a slow-to-change church is a real challenge, especially if many answers aren't clear cut for a woman herself. Sherry Macnab joins Cynthia and Susan for an honest conversation about their experiences as Latter-day Saint mothers. The feelings, pressures, desires, questions, and decisions—it's all fair game in this frank discussion between 3 friends who each took the Church's prescribed path into marriage and motherhood, and want to talk about those choices now.2022-01-2555 min
At Last She Said ItAre You There God? It's Us, Cynthia and SusanHow do you envision God? Or do you think of Heavenly Parents? How much control do you believe They have over what happens to us on earth? These are questions we may not spend much time thinking about until old ideas stop working. Being forced outside a God-box can be scary, painful, liberating, faith saving—it's different for everyone, and the answers may change with our experiences. The good news is, we're spiritually equipped to ask the big questions for ourselves, and then to trust the answers we receive.2022-01-181h 02
At Last She Said ItWho Said You Could Do That? (Grown Women Don't Need Permission.)Who has authority over your relationship with God? Who has control over your spiritual life? And how do you approach the Divine authentically, and for yourself, when you've spent your life being handed a script for that? The answers may seem obvious to some, yet many Latter-day Saint women feel they lack permission to step outside the language and practices they've been taught, to seek God in new ways when their old ways come up short. In this episode, Cynthia and Susan discuss claiming spiritual authority to rebuild their personal faith foundations.2022-01-0459 min
At Last She Said ItThe Parable of the Laborers—Grace in ActionWhat is it about God's generosity that's so hard to trust? In this episode, Cynthia and Susan discuss The Parable of the Laborers, in which Jesus turns the idea of fairness on its head with a story that disregards the rules we insist are so important. It's a reminder that the kingdom of heaven runs on grace, and all our careful scorekeeping and human expectations of scarcity will someday be confounded by God's abundance, so we may as well get used to it.2021-12-2156 min
At Last She Said ItDoing is BelievingIn this conversation, Cynthia and Susan explore belief and behavior in an attempt to answer a listener's question, "Are you women true believers?" There are a lot of markers members use to figure out where other members sit on the spectrum of testimony and church engagement. We judge not just beliefs, but the language used to express them. But if we really must vet each other's faith, a better question might be, "How does being a member of the Church change the way you live?"2021-12-0755 min
At Last She Said ItBut She's Got a Great Personality!We're all wired differently, and our personality has an impact on our experiences. Understanding the self we bring to church may help us better understand the experiences we have there. Identifying underlying differences can also help us manage our expectations in relationships, and can be an empathy tool for interacting with people around us. In this episode, Cynthia and Susan are joined by Jana Spangler for a talk about what makes individuals tick, and specific ways those differences may matter in our lives as Latter-day Saints.2021-11-1657 min
At Last She Said ItTo Ordain or Not To Ordain? That Isn't the Only Question.Perhaps nothing has a greater impact on a woman's experience in our church organization than the fact that she does not and can not hold the Priesthood. Do Latter-day Saint women need ordination? Do they want it? While the answers to these questions may not be clear, what is clear is that many women feel little space to discuss their true feelings about the nebulous messaging we receive around power and authority, and our inability to hold and access Priesthood directly. In the Season 4 opener, Cynthia and Susan take a deep breath and wrestle the question of women's ordination.2021-11-0957 min
At Last She Said ItBONUS—Uncrossed Bridges ReduxIn this bonus recut, Cynthia and Susan revisit a Season 1 conversation about the challenge of building bridges for the young women of today to cross into adult lives of personal and spiritual fulfillment as Latter-day Saints. Will they be willing to seek a faith home within the same patriarchal church structure their mothers and grandmothers have inhabited? For now, the bridges these two mothers have built don't seem to lead to a place their daughters want to go.2021-10-0556 min
At Last She Said ItWrap Party!Our episodes may begin the conversation, but every woman in the Church has unique experiences and ideas to contribute, so there's always more to say. In this season finale, Cynthia and Susan revisit Season 3 podcast topics to share a few post-recording thoughts, ideas, and insights that have come up through continued conversation and listener feedback.2021-08-311h 08
At Last She Said ItCustom Fit FaithWe all take a 'cafeteria' approach to our religion to some extent, but how much customization is really okay? As members of the Church, we are asked to obey commandments, but sometimes face pressure to accept policies and culture as binding too. How can we determine which parts are essential? How can we reap the greatest spiritual benefit from our church engagement? In this episode, Cynthia and Susan discuss approaching personal decisions about what to keep, and what it may be time to let go.2021-08-1755 min
At Last She Said ItWhen is Enough Enough?In the story of the widow's mite, Jesus directs our attention to a woman who gives everything she has, assuring us that her small offering is more than enough. But how are we meant to think about our own offerings in the context of this story? How much do we owe? And how can we know when we have we given enough of our time, talents, energy, and resources? Cynthia and Susan discuss the story of this woman's choice, and Jesus' reaction to it, in a conversation about giving—and being—enough.2021-08-0356 min
At Last She Said ItUpset Facebook CommenterConversations on social media are rarely substantive, but sometimes a comment can provide a good opening to a larger discussion. In this episode, Cynthia and Susan unpack a comment made on a recent ALSSI post that seemed to ruffle a few feathers. It's a discussion about unhelpful ways Latter-day Saints sometimes respond to each other, and how we might all benefit from retiring the tired scripts members have relied on for too long in an effort to keep each other in line.2021-07-2751 min
At Last She Said ItWhat About Blessings?Whether faith promoting or fraught, the idea of being blessed figures prominently in Latter-day Saint teachings. Common use of words like 'earning' and 'qualifying' can make it hard not to view blessings as transactional. How can we make sense of blessings we receive—or those we don't? What is our part in obtaining specific outcomes and righteous desires? Can our faithful actions influence God's will? In this discussion, Cynthia and Susan attempt to find a little peace on a sticky topic.2021-07-2058 min
At Last She Said ItSpeaking UpMany Latter-day Saint women don't feel at liberty to talk about their challenges at church. Church history, policy, doctrine, or culture, our personal and family experiences, the ebb and flow of our faith, unexpected doubt or uncertainty—these things can create burdens we carry silently, made heavier by accompanying feelings of guilt, loneliness, unworthiness or shame. In this episode, Susan shares thoughts about her own journey into silence—and thankfully out again—as a woman in the LDS Church.2021-07-1340 min
At Last She Said ItBe Brave Like BlaireAs members of the body of Christ, we are called to join Jesus in atoning—to take on the shape of one another's pain. It's a call to brave and unreserved love, a message central to the book, "Queer Mormon Theology: An Introduction." In this episode, philosopher/author Blaire Ostler joins Cynthia and Susan for a discussion of everything from the atonement to eternity, with plenty of conversational side-trips along the way. Can queerness and Mormon-ness coexist? In her beautiful theological framing, Blaire shows us they not only can, they naturally do.2021-06-2255 min
At Last She Said ItYou Have a Friend in MeWhy does having friends at church feel so important? Feeling known is part of feeling like you belong, but finding friends in a ward with whom you can be yourself isn't always easy. In this episode, Cynthia and Susan talk about friendship, and how our relationships with the members with whom we worship and serve can impact not only our church experience, but our personal and family happiness and spiritual well-being. 2021-06-1552 min
At Last She Said ItWhat About Queer LDS Women?Some high-profile gay men are helping Latter-day Saints grow our collective understanding by sharing their perspectives and experiences through books and podcasts, but—what about queer LDS women? Isn't it time we all heard more about their lives and journeys? In this episode, Cynthia and Susan are joined by Colette Dalton, LCSW, for a glimpse of her personal path and a discussion about some of the unique challenges for LGBTQ women in the Church. 2021-05-2551 min
At Last She Said ItThe Ultimate Big Deal, Part 2The temple is a topic around which many Latter-day Saints tiptoe, a complicated centerpiece of our religious practices. It is sacred, but also secret. It is of paramount importance, but participation in its ordinances requires a recommend not all members receive. It unites families, but can also divide them. In this second discussion, Cynthia and Susan unpack a few ideas and symbols from the temple, including the one way it impacts the lives of endowed members directly every day—garments.2021-05-1855 min
At Last She Said ItMirror, Mirror, On the WallBody image is complicated for many women, but for Latter-day Saints, it can feel particularly fraught. Our approaches to teaching about modesty and sexuality, coupled with a strong cultural ideal surrounding women's roles, can add up to impossible expectations with damaging results. For this conversation, Susan and Cynthia are joined by Hannah Hinckley and Jessica Nielson, who share experiences and messaging they internalized growing up in the Church, and how it impacted them. It's a discussion about reclaiming our bodies—and our thinking about them.2021-05-1150 min
At Last She Said ItUpset Instagram FollowerIf you're going to start a women's podcast, you'd better come prepared with a thick skin. Social media is a big part of the At Last She Said It project. Amplifying women's voices, ideas, experiences and concerns requires interacting with a lot of women. In this episode, Cynthia and Susan respond to one specific social media comment that somehow pushed too many buttons to ignore. It's a perfect illustration of the kind of silencing that inspired the podcast to begin with.2021-05-0456 min
At Last She Said ItFor the Men in the RoomIn the first episode of Season 3, Cynthia and Susan discuss things they'd like the men at church to better understand about the experiences of Latter-day Saint women. How might our brothers—whether in leadership positions, or just in the pews—show increased empathy, amplify women's voices, and encourage the creative thinking required to continue expanding our opportunities and influence at church? 2021-04-2054 min
At Last She Said ItBONUS—In Search of a Larger GodIt can be terrifying to take the metaphorical lid off the box that holds everything you think you know about God. What do you do when you outgrow your old ideas? Can you trust the hopeful whisperings of your own heart if those whisperings also spark fear? In this bonus episode, Susan shares the journey that led her, as a Latter-day Saint woman, to reexamine and move beyond her previous answers in pursuit of questions that have expanded her faith. 2021-03-3037 min
At Last She Said ItLooking Back and Thinking AheadWhat do we know, 2 seasons into this podcast? One thing seems certain—we're not the only women having the thoughts, feelings, ideas and experiences that inspired us to create the At Last She Said It project. More women are joining the conversation every day. In this bonus episode, Cynthia and Susan share some listeners' stories and feedback, and talk a bit about the road ahead. 2021-03-0944 min
At Last She Said ItAm I Discipling?In the Season 2 finale, Susan and Cynthia share and discuss the ongoing love lessons they're learning as they try—more successfully some days than others—to keep following Jesus as the focus of their faith lives.2021-02-1655 min
At Last She Said ItEpisode 043: Women Are Not SwitzerlandFrom the time we are young girls, women are socialized to keep a calm exterior. It's an unhealthy expectation, since we experience the full range of human emotion. In the Church and in the world, an angry man is perceived as being tough or powerful, but an angry woman earns a much less positive label. For Latter-day Saint women, meekness, niceness, and peace-keeping are valued traits. Being sad is okay, but being furious is not. In Episode 43, a guest shares her insights into the lack of space many women feel for the full expression of their emotions—even within themselves. Th...2021-02-0954 min
At Last She Said ItWhen the Wheels Come OffYou may feel sure about a lot of things, but what if one day you reach for your faith and find the certainty that has always given you comfort is not where you thought it was? When foundational ideas or beliefs suddenly go missing for you or a loved one, it can feel like the ground has been pulled out from under you. In Episode 42, Cynthia and Susan are joined by Jeralee Renshaw for a discussion about surviving—and thriving—when faith shifts. 2021-02-0252 min
At Last She Said ItGrace is the AntidoteWhat if there were a remedy that might counteract the difficulties and disappointments of being human, but you weren't quite sure how it worked, or how to get it? Many Latter-day Saints feel certain about the importance of obedience in their lives, but are less settled in their thinking about grace. Cynthia and Susan discuss how and why, for each of them, the idea of grace has come to be foundational to their faith, rather than incidental to it. 2021-01-2653 min
At Last She Said ItIs Obedience the Gasoline, or Is It the Match?If there's a way to make the word Obedience feel itchier for some of us, it's by combining it with the word Exact. But these words increasingly seem to appear together when we're holding up Latter-day Saint ideals. What does the phrase "exact obedience" mean? Are there different kinds of obedience, and do they all carry the same rewards? In this conversation, Cynthia and Susan explore the principle of obedience as a means to spiritual growth and personal transformation.2021-01-1950 min
At Last She Said ItWhat's the Church Up To?In recent years, it seems the phrases priesthood power and priesthood authority are being used more often in reference to women. But what do those words really mean? Has anything changed, or is this just a new way of describing old ideas? Cynthia and Susan talk about these phrases and the questions and feelings they evoke in a discussion of Pres. Jean B. Bingham's article, Women and Covenant Power.2021-01-1253 min
At Last She Said ItWhat's In It For Me?When you're vocal in your criticism of an organization, people may wonder why you don't leave. But for some women, speaking up about the bad and the good are both important to the process of staying. In this episode, Cynthia and Susan discuss ways the Church leads them to Jesus Christ, and how engagement in their Latter-day Saint communities continues to impact and improve their lives.2021-01-0550 minListen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard OstlerEpisode 368: Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward, Co-Hosts of Podcast “At Last She Said It”My dear friends Cynthia Winward and Susan Hinckley join me to talk about their new podcast At Last She Said It (https://atlastshesaidit.org/), a project aimed at amplifying the voices of LDS women, helping them feel valued and heard, and creating a safe space to share their feelings and experiences.
Cynthia and Susan are active Latter-day Saint women, and we talk about the goals for their podcast, why they feel it is needed, feedback from their listeners, and ideas for improving women's church experiences.
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At Last She Said ItIf It's Not About the Clothes, What's It About? Have you ever wished you heard Latter-day Saint women talk about modesty using words like context, intention, body acceptance, sexuality, empowerment, and authenticity? Well here's that conversation! Cynthia and Susan are joined by therapist C.A. Larson for a closer look at the ways we discuss, teach, and practice principles of modesty. How can we approach this topic with our youth in a way that will equip them to make their own good choices? 2020-12-2951 min