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This Just InTHIS JUST IN — PART TWO WITH TIM RYANIn Part Two of our conversation with Tim Ryan, the story takes a turn.After building an award-winning career as a television reporter, Tim made a side trip into newsroom management in Salt Lake City — only to discover that life behind a desk, running a newsroom, wasn’t where he belonged.Then came a moment of perfect timing.Out of the blue, Tim got the call to return to Dallas — this time as the morning anchor of Good Day. What followed was a defining chapter in North Texas television history. Tim became the steady, sometim...
2026-01-2857 minThis Just InFox4 Good Day Anchor Spills The BeansTHIS JUST IN — PART ONE WITH TIM RYANThis week on This Just In, we kick off a special two-part conversation with a man who, for decades, was one of the most recognizable and trusted faces in North Texas television news — Tim Ryan.In Part One, Tim takes Rich and Bryan on a remarkable journey through a long and illustrious career that began not in a newsroom, but in childhood — watching wall-to-wall coverage of a national political convention and realizing, even then, that storytelling and journalism were his calling.It’s a fascinating, behind-the-sc...
2026-01-211h 00This Just InBrett Shipp Pt. 2: Undercover + Cowboys Super Bowl Parade?In Part Two of our conversation with Brett Shipp, we pick up with more of the unforgettable TV news stories that helped define his career—investigations that made an impact and moments that only happen when you’re chasing the truth day after day.But then the conversation takes a turn. Brett opens up about a life- and career-changing decision—leaving the newsroom for a move into politics. It was a bold step, fueled by a desire to make change from the inside.It didn’t end the way he hoped.And yet, Brett tell...
2026-01-1453 minThis Just InInvestigative Reporting: The Back Stories With Brett ShippThis week on This Just In, we welcome a very special guest—one of the best investigative journalists we’ve ever worked with.Brett Shipp was quite literally born and raised to be a hard-hitting reporter. Journalism runs deep in his DNA, and over the course of his career he’s proven that calling again and again—breaking major stories, holding the powerful accountable, and earning dozens of awards for his work along the way.Rich and Bryan sit down with Brett for a fascinating conversation about investigative reporting, newsroom instincts, chasing the truth, and what it take...
2026-01-0745 minThis Just InCan I have the last week of December off?It’s Christmas week and the dead week between Christmas and New Year's, and if you’ve ever worked in journalism, you already know what that usually means: you’re probably working. While most people are gathered around the tree or sitting down for a big family meal, newsrooms are still lit up. Stories still need to be told. Cameras still roll. Deadlines don’t take the holidays off. And yes—missing Christmas morning or a holiday dinner can be hard. So this week, Bryan and Rich talk about why working the holidays isn’t all bad… and how some of the mos...
2025-12-3133 minThis Just InBush, Clinton, Inaugurations. Live Shots, and MoreThis week on This Just In, Bryan and I are talking about one of Rich's former TV colleagues who made a bold move—trading in a reporting job for a career in politics.It’s a journey that took him from the newsroom into the halls of power, ultimately landing him as a top White House staffer under President Bill Clinton. And in one of those full-circle moments you only get in this business, that same path helped bring President Clinton to the Channel 4 studios.It’s another great example of something we talk about a lot on...
2025-12-2447 minThis Just InPssst. Are You Hiring? Newsroom JobsThis week on This Just In, we pull back the curtain.You see the anchors. You see the reporters. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. From producers and photographers to editors, assignment desks, and the people you never hear about who make live TV work under deadline pressure—Bryan and Rich take a deep dive into the real nuts and bolts of a TV newsroom. How the sausage actually gets made. What can go wrong. And why it’s a minor miracle the news gets on the air every day.Find us on Spotify and App...
2025-12-1745 minThis Just InFox4 Photographer Raul Cantu Tells Us His StoryThis week on This Just In, Bryan and Rich are joined by an incredibly talented photojournalist who didn’t follow the traditional path into TV news. But once he got behind the lens, Raul Cantu quickly became one of the finest photojournalists in America. For years, he was the eye behind the Lone Star Adventure stories. After Rich retired, Raul shifted gears and moved into producing TV shows—bringing that same visual instinct and storytelling magic to a whole new level. All the while being one of the most positive, joyful people you’ll ever meet.It helps a...
2025-12-1044 minThis Just InNews Photographer/Investigative Journalist Phil FlemingA few weeks back on This Just In, Rich and Bryan had a fascinating conversation with legendary investigative reporter Becky Oliver. One name kept coming up again and again: Phil Fleming — her photographer, partner in undercover stakeouts, and the other half of one of the most formidable investigative duos in Texas journalism.This week, Phil joins the show to pull back the curtain on how they did it.He takes us inside the techniques, the risks, and the flat-out dangers he and Becky faced while breaking scandal after scandal — all in relentless pursuit of the truth. From covert surveillance to high-sta...
2025-12-0348 minThis Just InJohn Sparks: Pulling Back The Curtain Of How News Is CoveredOn this week’s This Just In, Rich and Bryan continue their conversation with legendary investigative producer John Sparks — the man behind the explosive WFAA reports that helped trigger the NCAA “death penalty” for SMU football. But Sparks’ career didn’t stop there. It went on to take several fascinating and unexpected turns — including a brief stint at Fox 4 when he and the guys were colleagues, and later a move to New York City, where he continued breaking major scandals and ultimately oversaw newsroom coverage of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.It’s a remarkable journey through some of the biggest stories in Texas an...
2025-11-2633 minThis Just InThe Death Penalty For SMUEver wonder how — and why — SMU’s football program ended up with the NCAA “death penalty” in the late ’80s, and sanctions that crippled the program for years?A big part of that story starts at WFAA Channel 8 in Dallas, where a young producer named John Sparks helped drive a series of explosive investigative reports that changed college football forever.This week on This Just In, John joins Rich & Bryan to walk through the behind-the-scenes twists, turns, and jaw-dropping moments that led to one of the most infamous scandals in NCAA history. You won’t believe what it took to break this
2025-11-191h 18This Just InSecrets: Part 2 - Investigations End. What's Next?On this week's podcast Rich & Bryan continue their fascinating conversation with the legendary Fox 4 Newsinvestigative reporter Becky Oliver turned top-performing luxury realtor at Briggs Freeman Sotheby's International Realty From exposing corruption to closing high-end deals, Becky’s transformation is as sharp and driven as ever. Don’t miss the eye-opening conclusion to this incredible two-part conversation!Becky Oliver, Global Real Estate Advisor, can be found at www.briggsfreeman.com/realestate/agent/becky-oliver/or email her at boliver@briggsfreeman.com
2025-11-1228 minThis Just InSecrets: How One Reporter Exposed Corruption and Championed The Public GoodThis week on This Just In, Bryan and Rich go behind the lens with legendary TV investigative reporter Becky Oliver. Her fearless undercover work exposed corruption, sparked reform, and often put her in danger. As Becky puts it, “Every story I did, somebody wanted to sue me — or kill me.” TJI goes undercover, sort of, to expose the secrets of investigative journalism. Becky Oliver was 1 of 1 in the DFW TV market for investigative reporting. She tells us the inside stories and the danger of standing up for the public interest. Don't miss this one. Share it on Spotify and Apple...
2025-11-0546 minThis Just InS1E34 Top Photojournalist Doug Burgess Shares Career HighlightsRichard Ray and Bryan Lochhead continue the conversation with award-winning, former NPPA news photographer of the year, Doug Burgess. Dough shares his start to his TV News career (hint: he watched alot of VHS tapes) and the journey from Canada to Texas to Washington and back to Dallas, Texas. Richard worked with Doug on some of the most interesting stories, including a failed Lone Star Adventure and more. Doug drops some truth bombs and wisdom on us in this episode.
2025-10-2945 minThis Just InS1 E33: Going To War As A PhotojournalistThis week on This Just In — Part Two of our look at the U.S. military’s embed program during the Iraq War. Each journalist saw only a small slice of the conflict unfolding around them. For Rich, it meant days and nights in the air with a Black Hawk battalion — for others, it was the front line itself. Joining Rich and Bryan is award-winning photojournalist Doug Burgess, whose experience in Iraq was much closer to the action. Together, they pull back the curtain on what it was really like to tell the story of war, one mission at a time.
2025-10-2246 minThis Just InGoing To War: Embedded In IraqThis week on This Just In, Rich and Bryan take a deep dive into the U.S. military’s embed program from the 2003 Iraq War. Rich shares what it was really like living the soldier's life inside the 4th Infantry Division—what training reporters went through before deployment, what life in the desert was like, and how they pulled off live broadcasts from a war zone back to DFW.
2025-10-1546 minThis Just InWhen Disaster Strikes: Texans On Missionn this week's podcast —Bryan and Rich trace how a reporter’s assignment turned into a calling. From Sri Lanka to Ukraine, Rich’s work with Texas Baptist Men—now Texans on Mission—shows how faith and journalism can intersect in powerful ways.Texans On Mission: https://www.texansonmission.orgTexans on Mission mobilizes Christ followers to live on mission with Christ by meeting crucial needs after a disaster, providing clean drinking water for people around the globe, undertaking construction projects and sharing God's love to hurting people in Texas, across the United States and around the...
2025-10-0852 minThis Just InMike Alexander talks about his Texas Football DocuseriesThe Lone Star Way is a new docuseries produced, shot, and edited by DFW Producer/Photographer Mike Alexander. The Lone Star Way goes behind the scenes with the Frisco High School Lone Star as they march toward the state championship. Mike had unprecedented access to the team. The show airs on Victory +. Sign up for a free account (you can watch the Stars this season), go to High School and find the episodes of The Lone Star Way. The show is a unique look at one Texas High School football team. www.victoryplus.com
2025-10-0144 minThis Just InS1E29 Mike Doocy pt 2, We talk Cowboys, Jerry, and BaseballOn this episode, Richard Ray and Bryan Lochhead talked with legendary Dallas/Fort Worth sports anchor Mike Doocy. Mike has been through the ups and downs of the Cowboys and shares his thoughts on the team, his relationship with Jerry Jones, why baseball is not his favorite sport to cover anymore and he and Richard share some interesting back stories.
2025-09-2431 minThis Just InS1E28 Mike Doocy Joins TJIFox4 Dallas sports anchor Mike Doocy joins Richard Ray and Bryan Lochhead to talk about everything from a chance encounter back in the day, to the Cowboys, covering sports, getting started in the business, and some behind-the-scenes stuff. It was a great conversation and we end the podcast with interesting tidbits in This Just In.
2025-09-1740 minThis Just InSafari time in Kenya, with Allison SchlackThis week on This Just In, Rich and Bryan continue the story of how mission trips to Africa evolved into “vision trips” that culminate with the ultimate adventure—a once-in-a-lifetime safari through some of Africa’s most spectacular game parks. Drawing on decades of safari experience, Rich breaks down what these trips actually cost, what they include, how safe they are, and why they leave travelers with memories that last a lifetime. And as a bonus, we’ll take you on another kind of “vision trip”—this one to South America for a safari of a different kind, exploring the wonders of th...
2025-09-1043 minThis Just InInterview #1, with Allison Schlack, Founder of NdotoThis week on This Just In, Rich and Bryan revisit a story that began with a mission trip to Africa in 2004—one that unexpectedly grew into a multi-part TV news series in Dallas/Fort Worth. But the bigger story was just beginning. That trip sparked a life-changing initiative that’s since helped hundreds of young people earn an education, break free from poverty, and fight the grip of disease. We’ll share the journey, the impact, and how you can be part of what’s still unfolding today. Our interview is with Ndoto founder Allison Schlack. You can spons...
2025-09-0344 minThis Just In21 Years of Stories About TexasIt is August 27, 2025 This week, Rich and Bryan look back at one of the defining legacies of Rich’s 36-year career in DFW TV news — the award-winning weekly series Lone Star Adventures.From flying weightless aboard NASA’s legendary KC-135 “Vomit Comet” … to catching monster catfish … to swimming with whales … and hundreds more unforgettable journeys — Rich shares how the series began, and what it took to keep it running for more than two decades. A must-listen for anyone who loves adventure, storytelling, and Texas history.
2025-08-2747 minThis Just InSatellite Live Shots, Tragedy, and a Salute To TexasThis week on This Just In, Rich and Bryan rewind to 1986—when satellite trucks dramatically changed TV coverage forever by making it possible to go live from virtually anywhere.A three-week demonstration of its potential, called Salute Texas, was supposed to showcase the Lone Star State’s vastness, variety, and beauty—from El Paso to Caddo Lake.But the feel-good feature took a dark turn with a deadly helicopter crash that no one saw coming.Don’t miss this behind-the-scenes look at a moment that transformed broadcast news forever.
2025-08-2033 minThis Just InTJI: Ndoto, Delta 191 and News Coverage InsightsThis week on the TJI podcast, Rich offers a brief reflection on his recent trip to Africa and shares insights from over twenty years of overseas mission work. Then, he and Bryan delve into one of the deadliest events they've covered in their long careers in TV news: the crash of Delta Flight 191.Forty years ago, the plane went down at DFW Airport, claiming 137 lives and triggering a nationwide overhaul of the air safety system. Rich and Bryan recount the tragedy and reveal behind-the-scenes stories from their coverage of the horrific disaster.For...
2025-08-1335 minThis Just InTricks of the Trade in TV News: On-Camera Coaching & Media MentoringIn this week’s TJI podcast, Rich and Bryan pull back the curtain on a fascinating chapter of their careers—when they took their broadcast experience into the corporate world. About a decade ago, the duo launched a side venture offering on-camera coaching and media mentoring to employees across Fortune 500 companies. Their clients ranged from classroom teachers and mid-level managers to C-suite executives—all eager to sharpen their public speaking skills and improve their presence in front of a camera.As part of their training, Rich and Bryan also taught crisis communication—how to stay composed and credible u...
2025-08-0632 minThis Just InA Deep Dive Into the TV Newsroom: How the Sausage Is MadeA Deep Dive Into the TV Newsroom: How the Sausage Is MadeTJI podcast listeners have been asking for it—and this week, Rich and Bryan deliver. In this behind-the-scenes episode, they take you inside the inner workings of a TV newsroom, where 24/7 news coverage requires a complex, nonstop operation that goes far beyond the handful of anchors and reporters you see on screen.With decades of experience between them, Bryan and Rich share eye-opening stories and insider insights: Who decides what makes it into the newscast? How is fairness and accuracy maintained? What does it ta...
2025-07-3042 minThis Just InS1 E20 Reflections on Building a Career in TV NewsTwenty episodes into the TJI podcast journey, Bryan and Rich take a moment to reflect on the winding paths that led them from wide-eyed college graduates to seasoned veterans in one of the nation’s top five television markets—deep in the heart of Texas. One rose through the ranks as a photographer, editor, and newsroom manager; the other as an Emmy Award-winning anchor and reporter. Together, they recount the early missteps, hard-won lessons, and defining moments that shaped their careers. It’s an honest and often entertaining look at how they navigated the high-pressure, high-stakes world of broadcas...
2025-07-2341 minThis Just InOJ SIMPSON: THE MAKING OF “OJ ON TRIAL” AND OTHER MUSINGSThe weekly nighttime talk show that veteran newsman Richard Ray hosted for almost a year called “OJ on Trial” would have a lasting impact on his career and foreshadow the development of news and opinion TV content to this day. In a final deep dive on the OJ Simpson murder case and trial Rich and Bryan Lochhead describe how the genre developed, what makes it work and why we see even more of it today.Subscribe on Apple Music and Spotify
2025-07-1638 minThis Just InOJ SIMPSON: AFTER THE VERDICTOJ SIMPSON: AFTER THE VERDICTA “Not Guilty” verdict in O.J. Simpson’s murder trial was far from the end of the story. Though he won in criminal court, the cost was immense—losing much of what he once held dear. A civil trial found him liable, and the cloud of suspicion never lifted, leading him down a series of strange and destructive paths. One of those would land O.J. back in court—this time facing new felony charges—and eventually in prison for years.Rich and Bryan take a closer look at the rest of O.J.’s li...
2025-07-0949 minThis Just InOJ SIMPSON: THE TRIAL OF THE CENTURYThe murder trial of O.J. Simpson became the longest in California history, lasting nearly a year from start to finish. For much of that time, TV newsman Richard Ray covered the case five nights a week on a one-hour talk show—an early precursor to today’s network true crime programs.Rich and veteran news executive Bryan Lochhead take you behind the scenes of a media circus fueled by the drama and intrigue of a story that captivated the nation—and much of the world.
2025-07-0240 minThis Just InO.J. & Murder: A Crime That Would Go UnpunishedThe murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman—and the surreal pursuit and arrest of O.J. Simpson—became one of the most publicized events in American history. In this episode, Richard Ray, who later hosted the nightly show OJ on Trial, and Bryan Lochhead revisit the brutal crime and the media frenzy that followed. They examine how the sensational case was handled—by the Los Angeles police and the Media.You can find the TJI, This Just In Texson, podcast on Apple Music and Spotify. Subscribe and share.
2025-06-2535 minThis Just InOJ Simpson: Football Superstar, Media Darling… and Wife BeaterToday, most people view O.J. Simpson through the lens of a brutal double murder and the circus-like trial that captivated the nation in the mid-1990s. But Rich and Bryan begin their deep dive into his story with personal encounters with “The Juice” and explore the unique celebrity brand he built before it all came crashing down. From football legend to sports broadcaster, television and film actor, and pitchman. How Simpson’s fame endured despite multiple incidents of domestic violence. The TJI podcast is available on Apple Music and Spotify. New episodes are published every w...
2025-06-1831 minThis Just InJFK WRAP: A CHANGE OF MIND? Rich and Bryan wrap up their deep dive into the JFK assassination with a lively discussion about what they’ve learned—and how newly released government documents have shifted their views, at least a little. Was there a conspiracy—or multiple conspiracies? Almost certainly. But were they merely efforts to cover up missteps, malfeasance, and secrets powerful people wanted to keep hidden? Or does it go deeper than that? You decide.The TJI podcast is available on Apple Music and Spotify. New episodes are published every week on Wednesday. Subscribe to get the latest podcast...
2025-06-1140 minThis Just InJACK RUBY: THE HIT THAT CHANGED HISTORYHe stepped out of the shadows and into the history books, pulling the trigger that silenced Lee Harvey Oswald. But who was Jack Ruby, really? A patriotic vigilante... or a man sent to keep a darker secret buried? On this week’s TJI, Bryan and Rich unravel the chaos, the cover-ups, and the questions that never went away.
2025-06-0439 minThis Just InOSWALD: JFK ASSASSIN & COP KILLERMore than 60 years later, conspiracy theorists still argue that Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t shoot President John F. Kennedy — claiming instead that he was merely “a patsy” for the real killer or killers. In this episode of TJI, Rich and Bryan examine the facts, including the compelling eyewitness evidence that, following JFK’s assassination, Oswald murdered Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit in cold blood.Oswald won't survive long enough to talk. Dead men tell no tales. Next up, the last JFK episode, Jack Ruby and The Hit That Changed History.
2025-05-2835 minThis Just InRUTH PAINE: GOOD SAMARITAN OR SPYMASTER?She offered Marina Oswald a place to stay — and wound up at the heart of America’s greatest conspiracy. Ruth Paine welcomed the Oswalds into her home, never imagining the rifle in her garage would change history. Or did she? This week on TJI, Richard Ray dives deep into the tangled web of secrets, spies, and suspicion.NEXT EPISODE: Cop Killer
2025-05-2127 minThis Just InFROM RUSSIA WITH LOVEShe came from behind the Iron Curtain — a teenage bride at the side of Lee Harvey Oswald. But after JFK was gunned down in Dallas, Marina Oswald was left in the middle of a nightmare. In this week’s TJI, Richard Ray recounts his remarkable, personal encounters with Marina — and the strange, haunting path her life has taken since that day in 1963.Next week: Ruth Paine, Good Samaritan or Spymaster
2025-05-1438 minThis Just InJFK: The Zapruder FilmOn November 22, 1963 Abraham Zapruder, a Dallas businessman, stood on a pedestal in Dallas Dealey Plaza with an 8mm camera and captured the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on film - the most famous home movie ever! And, yet for more than a decade virtually no one outside government circles ever saw it. That changed in 1978 when TV personality Geraldo Rivera and a film technician with a bootleg copy showed it on national TV. Reporter Richard Ray covers all the twists and turns of a story most Americans have never known.
2025-05-0735 minThis Just InJFK: The Way We WereLongtime TV journalists Richard Ray and Bryan Lochhead take us back in time to 1963 - where they were and how they experienced the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Each has a surprisingly personal story about how it affected their lives then and to this day. And, they set the scene in a very different America and the way we were then.
2025-04-2934 minThis Just InJFK: Conspiracy Emerges from 2025 Document DumpJFK: Conspiracy Emerges from 2025 Document DumpIn this episode of TJI, renowned JFK researcher and conspiracy debunker Dave Perry joins Rich and Bryan—with a twist. Long known for dismantling hoaxes, Perry now finds himself reexamining his stance in light of the 2025 document release. The new files are cracking open long-sealed windows, revealing possible efforts to mislead the public. Was it merely a cover-up of intelligence failures surrounding Lee Harvey Oswald? Or did rogue CIA elements have knowledge of the plot—and choose to stand down?
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Past Present Phuture: 3 QuestionsEpisode 005: Foly Texson - Technical WriterFoly Texson has over 20 years of technical writer experience, working in several industries including: manufacturing, aviation maintenance, warehouse installation and automation, human resources, telecommunications and customer service center training. He has a BS in Technical Communication from Mercer University in Macon, GA.CreditsMusic: @PumpupthemindStock Footage: https://www.pexels.com/@edmond-dantes, https://www.pexels.com/@ketut-subiyanto, @pixabay8237Background: @freepikLogo: @canva This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit pastpresentphuture.substack.com
2025-04-1614 minThis Just InJFK: The Documents Dump of 2025This episode begins our deep dive into the 1963 assassination of President John. F. Kennedy in Dallas with a first look at what President Trump has promised to be the release of all remaining sealed documents in the case. Reporter Richard Ray has been dubbed DFW’s Best JFK Historian and he talks about what he and other longtime JFK enthusiast hope to find in the latest document dump. Will there be a smoking gun? What can we learn after more than 60 years of secrecy?
2025-04-1639 minThis Just InWaco Postscript: OKC BombingApril 19, 1995 - two years to the day after a deadly fire at the Branch Davidian compound in Texas - a truck bomb exploded outside the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, still the deadliest domestic terrorist act in US history, with a direct link to Waco. Richard Ray and Bryan Lochhead take you behind the scenes on how the news story evolved — intertwined with a massive shakeup among TV stations in Dallas and around the country.
2025-04-0934 minThis Just InThe Untold Stories: What You Haven’t Been Told About Wacontold Stories: What You Haven’t Been Told About WacoMuch has been written and aired about the 1993 Branch Davidian standoff outside Waco. But, there are still stories that are not widely known. Among them - the ATF’s public relations campaign leading up to the disastrous raid and horrible fire - how its hatred of the FBI may have led it down a disastrous past. Richard Ray shares the inside story of a tip from the FBI that led him and only a handful of people to be there on day 51 to witness events leading up to t...
2025-04-0235 minThis Just InThe Fiery End Day 51 at Mt. CarmelThe Fiery End: Day 51 at Mt. CarmelWhen FBI tanks began knocking holes in the wall and inserting tear gas at Branch Davidian compound outside Waco at 6am on Monday April 18, 1993 only a handful of journalists were there.The vast majority had left the previous Friday, convinced the standoff would drag on for weeks. But Richard Ray was party to a tip by a government agent that something big would happen that morning. That something big turned out to be a tragedy beyond comprehension when - as Rich reported live during the noon news...
2025-03-2640 minThis Just InThe Siege: Mt. Carmel and the Branch DavidiansIt was February 28, 1993, when over 70 heavily armed ATF agents raided the Branch Davidian compound at Mt. Carmel, outside of Waco, Texas. The raid was weapons-related, and the ATF knew the David Koresh and the Branch Davidians were heavily armed. A gun battle ensued with deaths and wounded reported. Richard Ray was there covering the story for weeks and talks about the coverage and the event with host Bryan Lochhead.
2025-03-1942 minThis Just InPilot Episode - This Just In ep1This episode of "This Just In", introduces you to award-winning anchor/reporter Richard Ray and host/editor Bryan Lochhead . The former Fox4 colleagues talk about growing up, and their motivation for becoming broadcast journalists, and they ruminate on some of the biggest stories they covered. Richard will tell you what he saw and heard from what made the air, and they go behind the scenes for the untold stories. We were there!
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