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Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 97 – Live at the Gold Coast Tavern – Part 2: Q&A on Mental Health, Leadership & Life in BluePart 2 of our first-ever live show gets raw, real, and bloody funny. The crowd jumps in with questions—some from people looking to join the job—sparking honest advice not just from us, but from the current serving cops in the room. We cover it all: mental-health jobs that can turn in a heartbeat, the art of leadership on the frontline, and lessons from decades in blue. Add in a few wild stories—a taser mishap, a rooftop standoff solved with sausages, and the world’s worst naked arrest—and you’ve got one hell of a Q&A. Authentic, u...
2025-11-141h 13Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 96 – Live at the Gold Coast Tavern – Part 1. Pink Slips, Party Packs & “Mum” from Squad 91Our first-ever live show! We’re at the Gold Coast Tavern with a rowdy crowd, reunited with our recruit-college “Mum” Di Gallo, swapping pink-slip memories, OC “party pack” war stories, the infamous Christmas domestic, and the legendary “red button” mishap. Plus, Todd jumps up for pursuit and stinger tales, and we launch the Cartonable Offence on the bar. Real cops, real laughs, real yarns—Part 1 sets the tone. Tune in and be part of it.
2025-11-141h 04Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 95 – From Rolfe to Roadshows: Live Shows, Guests & What’s NextAfter seven huge weeks with Zach Rolfe, we’re back to basics—Two Ordinary Cops, eight jobs between us, and a candid debrief on where we’ve been and what’s coming. We unpack the big takeaways on resilience from the Rolfe series, preview an unmissable new multi-part interview with Cath Nielsen and Susie Forte (Brett Forte’s partner and widow), and recap our first live show—complete with real-world Q&A for aspiring recruits (VicPol vs the NT, the truth about learning curves, and why throwing yourself in the deep end can fast-track your career). We also tee up 2026 road...
2025-11-0729 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 94 – Part 7 Interview with Zach Rolfe – Your Questions Answered. Honest, Authentic and UnfilteredIn the powerful conclusion to the Zach Rolfe series, the questions come from you — the listeners — and the answers come straight from Zach himself. No scripts, no rehearsals, just genuine, unfiltered truth.
Schultzy and Damo sit down for one final deep dive where nothing’s off-limits. From leadership accountability and training shortfalls to moral courage, media bias, and what policing needs to look like going forward — Zach responds with honesty, reflection and conviction.
The Two Ordinary Cops add their own frontline insight, challenging and unpacking each topic with the same openness and balance that’s driven the...
2025-10-312h 01Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 93 – Part 6 Interview with Zach Rolfe – Evidence on the Table, Everything Called Racist, Victims ForgottenIn the final part of the coronial series, Zach Rolfe lays it all bare — the evidence, the bias, and the fallout that followed. He recounts being torn apart on the stand, the silence when hard evidence challenged the narrative, and the irony of an $11 million inquest that left victims and frontline cops worse off. Schultzy and Damo join Zach in unpacking what was really achieved, how the system failed to learn, and why calling everything “racist” helps no one. Raw, honest, and unfiltered — this is the coronial aftermath, through the eyes of those who lived it.
2025-10-241h 16Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 92 – Part 5 Interview with Zach Rolfe – Coronial Choices: Narrative, Bias, and the Evidence Left BehindIn this fifth instalment of the Zach Rolfe series, Schultzy and Damo sit down with Zach as he unpacks what unfolded after his Supreme Court acquittal — the return to work, the internal reviews, and the long shadow of the coronial inquest. Zach details how his private phone was accessed, the handling of his text messages, and how selective evidence shaped public perception.
Through the lens of former cops who’ve lived the system, the discussion dives deep into what the coronial chose to hear — and what it didn’t. From questions of lawful process to professional reputation and medi...
2025-10-171h 17Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 91 – Part 4 Interview with Zach Rolfe - Trial First, Truths Revealed: Evidence or Agenda?The Two Ordinary Cops return for Part 4 of the Zac Rolfe series, diving into the tense lead-up to the Supreme Court trial and the five gruelling weeks that followed. From delayed hearings, hidden evidence, and internal charges laid just days before proceedings, to Rolfe’s decision to take the stand and the jury’s final verdict—this episode exposes the fine line between justice and agenda. It’s a raw, inside look at what really unfolded in the courtroom, how evidence was tested, and how one of the most controversial trials in Australian policing history came to a close.
2025-10-101h 17Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 90 – Part 3 Interview with Zach Rolfe - Arrest First, Answers Later: Impartial or Predetermined?In Part 3 of the Zac Rolfe series, we step into the moment everything changed—Rolfe’s arrest for murder. What followed raised difficult questions: was this an impartial investigation, or had the outcome already been decided? Rolfe recounts being directed to Darwin under the guise of “welfare,” only to face a murder charge days later, while the process itself left many wondering if justice was served fairly. From the watch house in Darwin to enforced exile in Canberra, this episode looks at the pressures, procedures, and perspectives that shaped those crucial first months. The Two Ordinary Cops believe in being im...
2025-10-031h 15Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 89 – Part 2 Interview with Zach Rolfe - The Shooting That Split a Nation.In Part 2, Zac Rolfe takes us inside the events of 9 November 2019 in Yuendumu — the night that changed his life and shook policing across Australia. From the lead-up and mounting risks, to the split-second moment when a routine arrest turned into a fight for survival, Zac recounts the stabbing, the shooting, and the desperate efforts to save Kumanjayi Walker’s life. He lays bare the reality behind the headlines: respect shown, decisions made under extreme pressure, and the fallout that saw him charged with murder. This is not the media’s version — it’s the raw, unfiltered story from the man at the...
2025-09-2659 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 88 – Part 1 Interview with Zach Rolfe - Voluntary Discomfort, Real-World Pressure.In this first part of our three-part conversation with former NT Police Constable Zac Rolfe, we go behind the headlines to hear his story in his own words. From a privileged yet restless upbringing in Canberra, through boxing rings and the battlefields of Afghanistan, Zac explains how chasing discomfort and growth shaped him long before Alice Springs. He opens up about the culture shock of policing in the Centre, the camaraderie (and gaps) in training, and the river rescue that almost killed him but earned him a Bravery Medal in just his first week on the job. This isn’t...
2025-09-191h 24Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 87 – Mailbag Mayhem and a BombshellFrom listener shout-outs to cartonable offences that’ll make you shake your head, Schultzy and Damo dive into the good, the bad, and the downright funny side of policing life. This one’s packed with stories from the bush, hard truths about break-ins, and a few unforgettable Q&A moments. But stick around—because right at the end, the boys drop a bombshell about a guest every cop in Australia knows. Trust us, you don’t want to miss what’s coming next.
2025-09-1257 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 86 - Deep, Dark and Dirty – Tales of a Diver with Luke McCullochWhen a call comes in for a body recovery and you’re dropped into shark-infested waters, most would tap out. Luke McCulloch dove straight in — literally. In this gripping episode, Schultzy and Damo sit down with former WA cop and police diver Luke, whose 15-year career took him from the red dirt of remote mining towns to the pitch-black depths of underwater crime scenes. From recovering a suitcase with human remains, to getting buzzed by sharks mid-dive, to navigating trauma, burnout, and the quiet toll of confronting death — Luke shares it all with raw honesty and a dry sense of hum...
2025-09-051h 37Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 85 – Hypervigilance, Heartbreak, and Healing, Interview with Karlie FlemingEpisode 85 – Hypervigilance, Heartbreak, and Healing, Interview with Karlie Fleming dives deep into the hidden toll of frontline policing and intelligence work. Karlie shares her powerful journey from chasing her dream of joining the police, to years spent in high-risk intel roles, through the trauma that nearly broke her, and finally the breakthrough that gave her life back. From the confronting reality of child protection and counter-terrorism to the science of nervous system dysregulation and the simple tools that can save first responders from burnout, this episode is raw, real, and packed with lessons every cop, firie, ambos — and anyone who...
2025-08-291h 28Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 84 – Lifeline on the AirwavesIn this episode, Schultzy and Damo dive into the lifeline of every first responder – the radio. From the gut-wrenching moments of being outnumbered on a hostile job to the sheer relief of hearing sirens racing in for backup, they unpack the power of comms and the mateship it represents. You’ll hear raw frontline stories, a shout-out to the unsung heroes in comms, and of course a cartonable moment that’ll have you laughing out loud.
2025-08-2256 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 83 – Off Duty, On Edge, and a Cartonable OffenceIn Episode 83 of Two Ordinary Cops, Schultzy and Damo take a step back from the front line and reflect on life after policing. From navigating the lingering effects of hypervigilance to the unexpected challenges of judging people by appearances, this episode dives deep into what it really means to switch off—or try to—when the uniform comes off.
Along the way, they share hilarious and relatable “cartonable offences” – those moments where even off duty, trouble finds you. From a Woolies encounter to surprising lessons learned in the UK, Schultzy and Damo mix sharp humour with raw honesty, g...
2025-08-1550 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 82 – Courts, Critics, and the Cops in BetweenIn this episode, Schultzy and Damo dive into the often-misunderstood world of the courtroom, exploring the complicated relationship between frontline policing, public perception, and the justice system. They unpack the feedback cops cop — from both sides — and take a measured look at the way magistrates are sometimes unfairly judged by those who don’t see the full picture.
From frustrating legislative constraints to courtroom outcomes that don’t always reflect the hard work done on the street, this episode offers an honest, balanced, and at times fiery conversation about where things go right, where they go wrong, and what...
2025-08-0855 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 81 - OC Spray, Red Tape & the Politics of Common Sense.In this episode, Schultzy and Damo dive into the legalisation of OC spray in the NT, drawing on the real-life experiences of cops in Western Australia, where it’s already been legal for a couple of years. Schultzy then shares a story about two blokes who tried to pick a fight with him while he was off duty, leading to a chat about the importance of a cop’s presence and authority when managing a situation, and how the RISC principle comes into play. They ask the question many police wonder – do you mentally call a use of force before...
2025-08-011h 02Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 80 – Auxiliaries, Ex-Mil, and Beers on the BarIn this episode, the Two Ordinary Cops shine a light on the unsung legends of policing — the police auxiliaries. From the calm voices behind the radio to the rock-solid support in the watch house, Damo and Schultzy reflect on the vital roles these members play behind the scenes. The boys also dive into what it’s really like when ex-military personnel swap camo for blue, breaking down both the challenges and the advantages of bringing battlefield experience into frontline law enforcement. And of course, it wouldn’t be an episode without a few laugh-out-loud stuff-ups, the revival of the belove...
2025-07-2551 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 79 – From Cop to Accused to Airborne: Jarrod Michael’s JourneyFrom growing up idolising his VicPol father to being arrested and acquitted twice, Jarrod Michael's story is one of grit, loss, redemption—and altitude. In this episode, the Two Ordinary Cops dive deep into Jarrod’s short but impactful policing stint, the toll of false accusations, and the crushing feeling of being abandoned by the job he once dreamed of. But it doesn’t end there—Jarrod rebuilds, retrains, and takes to the skies as a rescue helicopter pilot, flying critical missions across Australia and overseas. It's raw, real, and brutally honest. If you’ve ever wondered what life after the...
2025-07-1859 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 78 – From Courtroom to Coroner: That’s Not a Finding, That’s a Stitch-Up of Zach RolfeThe coronial inquest into the death of Kumanjayi Walker has made headlines around the world — but was it really about the death, or about bringing down Zach Rolfe?
In this explosive episode, Schultzy and Damo discuss the fallout, questioning how a Supreme Court acquittal gave way to a coronial inquest that felt more like a public takedown than a fact-finding mission. They break down the legal process behind inquests, explain how the system should work, and ask the hard question: when did public opinion start dictating outcomes?
With raw honesty, decades of experience, and a fe...
2025-07-1150 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 77 – When Your Son Wears the Uniform: A Mother’s PerspectiveIn this episode, the Two Ordinary Cops sit down with a very special guest—Schultzy’s mum, Liz. From guarding evidence in the red dirt of the Northern Territory to cooking meals for specialist squads, Liz shares what it’s really like watching your son step into a uniform and face the realities of policing.
She opens up about the pride, the sleepless nights, and the unforgettable moments that come with being part of the extended police family. If you’ve ever wondered what goes on behind the scenes—or how it feels for the people who love those...
2025-07-041h 06Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 76 – From PTSD to Purpose: Nick White’s Mission to Save First RespondersIn this powerful episode, we sit down with former paratrooper and NSW police officer Nick White. From high-risk military service to frontline policing in some of the toughest parts of Sydney, Nick opens up about the trauma that nearly broke him — including the heartbreaking moment he tried to save a one-week-old baby.
Diagnosed with PTSD after years of cumulative trauma, Nick speaks candidly about his decline, the turning point, and how EMDR therapy helped him begin to rebuild. But he didn’t stop there.
Now the founder of Bellator Fortitudinem, a nationwide peer support network for...
2025-06-271h 40Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 75 – From Rookie Mistake to Tactical Expertise in an Interview with Ben HoskingThe Two Ordinary Cops sit down with Ben Hosking — a former frontline cop turned tactical operator — for one of our rawest chats yet. Thrown into chaos straight out of the academy, Hosko faced riots, a taser mishap, and the harsh reality of policing in Tennant Creek. Years later, he was forced to shoot an armed offender. From high-risk incidents to elite policing and the lasting mental toll, this is a story that hits hard and stays with you.
2025-06-202h 18Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 74 – “Pepper Spray, Protesters and the Porn Channel Surprise”In Episode 74, the Two Ordinary Cops cover everything from snow in Hernani to sex dungeons in Kununurra. Damo and Schultzy reflect on the Northern Territory's move to legalise capsicum spray for civilians—and debate whether it’s empowering the public or arming the crooks. They also tackle the hot-button issue of deaths in custody, offering a frontline insight into investigative transparency that rarely makes the headlines. And if that wasn’t enough, they share their wildest search warrant story yet—complete with drug busts, gay porn on the telly, and a house full of adult toys. It's raw, unfiltered, and exac...
2025-06-1351 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 73 – The Bobby Principle: Why Respect for Police Rises—and Falls:In this episode of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy dive into the complex topic of public respect for police — where it comes from, how it can be lost in a heartbeat, and what it really takes to earn it back. From crowd control at footy games to walking the beat in remote communities, they explore the idea of "The Bobby Principle” — that being visible, present and genuinely engaged with your community is what earns lasting respect. They also chat about frontline fatigue, shout out a few old mates still on the tools, and reflect on how over-policing at events...
2025-06-0642 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 72 – Overseas Recruits, Overtime & the Price of a CartonIn Episode 72 – Overseas Recruits, Overtime & the Price of a Carton, the Two Ordinary Cops dive into the real cost of life in the blue. From breaking down how junior cops can crack six figures (if they're willing to sacrifice sleep), to the unofficial rules of “cartonable offences” and kangaroo courts, Damo and Schultzy mix laughs with hard truths. They also answer questions from a would-be recruit and give a shoutout to UK coppers considering the move Down Under—reminding us that when the lights go on and the job kicks off, it doesn’t matter where you’re from. You’re part...
2025-05-3040 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 71 – Boot Camps, Broken Systems, and Blokes Like MickeyIn this episode of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy dive deep into the tough conversations — from viral post turtle banter to the devastating reality behind police suicide and youth crime in the Territory.
Damo reflects on the tragic loss of his mate, Mickey D — a true legend of the Northern Territory Police — and what made him so special. They unpack what worked in the past for youth justice, the decline of community authority, and whether boot camps could actually help, or if some kids are just too far gone.
It’s raw, honest, and full of...
2025-05-2346 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 70 – From Connie to Commander: Inside the Police Rank Structure.In Episode 70 of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy break down the police rank structure from the ground up – starting with the everyday duties of a constable all the way to the strategic decisions made at commissioner level. They reflect on their own journeys, share experiences of leading in remote stations, and dive into what it really takes to earn (or sometimes fail at) promotion. With honest banter, practical insight, and a few laughs, they explore the challenges of leadership, the difference between acting and substantive ranks, and why some officers are better suited to certain roles than others. Wh...
2025-05-161h 04Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 69 – When the Armour Cracks: An Interview with Queensland Paramedic Peter VinnicombeIn this powerful episode of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy sit down with Queensland paramedic Peter Vinnicombe to explore the deep and lasting impact of frontline trauma. Peter shares his 17-year journey as a single officer paramedic in rural Queensland, culminating in a violent incident that changed his life and career forever. They discuss PTSD, moral injury, the loss of identity that comes with leaving the job, and the glaring gaps in support for first responders. A raw, honest, and important conversation that shines a light on the emotional cost of serving the community.
2025-05-091h 27Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 68 - The Rotten FewIn Episode 68 of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy don’t hold back as they call out the worst of the worst—cops who broke the law and were rightly arrested and jailed by their own colleagues. From stealing drugs out of seizures to the unforgivable crime of child abuse, they shine a light on those who tarnish the badge. The episode also dives into the Northern Territory Government’s outrageous initial proposal for the police consent agreement, and the reality of working alongside colleagues they didn’t exactly see eye to eye with.
2025-05-0240 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 67 – The Truth About Cops, Corruption & IntegrityThis week, Damo and Schutzy aren’t holding back. They’re diving headfirst into one of the most talked-about—and misunderstood—topics in policing: corruption. Sure, the past has its skeletons, but today’s police are under more scrutiny than ever before. The boys break down the myths, get real about integrity, and share what it’s really like working in one of the most heavily watched professions in the country. Honest, raw, and full of classic Two Ordinary Cops banter—you won’t want to miss this one.
2025-04-2549 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 66 – People in Crisis: Mental Health InterventionAfter throwing out a cheeky challenge to our listeners to either send us love or completely roast us, Damo and Schultzy were stoked to get almost 10 messages – with 4 of them giving us a light-hearted ribbing (we can take it!), and the rest showing solid support for the podcast. But more than that, you legends also sent through some cracking suggestions for future topics.
In this episode, we give a few long-overdue shoutouts and work our way through all your messages, before diving deep into one that really hit home. One listener, who’s had her own battles with...
2025-04-1849 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 65 - Coppers, College & Changing TimesIn this episode, Damo and Schultzy dive into the evolving landscape of Family and Domestic Violence (FDV) procedures and legislation. With years of frontline experience between them, the boys share how things have changed—what’s working, what’s not, and why Schultzy reckons “You can’t fast track DV.”
Schultzy also gives a few well-earned shoutouts before the pair reflect on their time in the academy. From study hacks to survival tips, they revisit the moments that shaped them as rookie cops. They wrap up with an honest chat about juggling shift work, family life, and remembering...
2025-04-1138 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 64 - Remote, Resilient, and Married to a CopIn this episode of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy sit down with Damo’s wife, Emer, to explore what it’s like being married to a cop—especially in remote communities. Rather than focusing on the job itself, they dive into everyday life in these towns, discussing the unique challenges and experiences of police families.
What’s it like for partners, wives, and kids living in these isolated places? How do they cope with the pressures and lifestyle that come with being part of a policing family? This episode gives a voice to those on the other si...
2025-04-0438 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 63 - Police, Prosecutors & the Courts: Who Decides?In this episode of Two Ordinary Cops, Schultzy and Damo dive into the complex relationship between police and the courts, unpacking the differences between police bail and court bail. They share real-life stories from the frontline, including what it’s like to be a police prosecutor and the challenges of keeping offenders in custody. With plenty of laughs along the way, they also revisit last week’s discussion on police recruiting standards, responding to some of the feedback they received. It’s an eye-opening chat about law enforcement, the judiciary, and the realities of policing.
2025-03-2850 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 62 - Unfit for Duty? The Recruitment DebateIn Episode 62 of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy dive into a critical issue raised by a recruit— the alarming drop in police recruitment standards. As passionate advocates for frontline services and community safety, they discuss how this decline threatens the integrity of policing, endangers officers, and puts the public at risk. With firsthand experience and blunt honesty, they explore why these lowered standards cannot continue and the disastrous consequences that could follow if they do.
2025-03-2146 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 61 - Cyclone AlfredIn Episode 61 of the Two Ordinary Cops podcast, Cyclone Alfred, Schultzy and Damo recount their experiences during the landfall of Cyclone Alfred, sharing what unfolded in their respective areas. They discuss the challenges they faced, including some humorous moments, and highlight the dangers of driving through flooded waters. The duo also reflect on their own experiences navigating flooded rivers after conducting risk assessments. To wrap up, they give a couple of well-deserved shout-outs.
2025-03-1436 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 60 - Policing Standards, Cyclone Chaos & A Bit of ControversyIn this episode, Schultzie and Damo chat about their weekend catch-up with police mates, give a shout-out to a listener joining Queensland Police, and dive into the controversy around lowering the standards to join the force—sharing some strong opinions on the risks it brings. They also discuss Cyclone Alfred, the chaos of panic buying, and the challenges Brisbane might face as the storm approaches. Tune in for laughs, insights, and the usual Two Ordinary Cops banter!
2025-03-0745 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 59 - Cops Under Fire: The Wild World of Police ComplaintsIn this episode, Schultzy and Damo, the Two Ordinary Cops, dive into the world of complaints against police. While some are incredibly serious, others, in hindsight, are downright hilarious. They break down how the complaint process works, the reasons people make complaints—ranging from genuine grievances to desperate attempts to dodge prosecution—and the often surprising outcomes. From shocking allegations to bizarre grievances, this episode is an eye-opening and entertaining look at what happens when the public takes issue with the police.
2025-02-2855 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 58 - Flipping Through the Past: The Power of a Cop’s NotebookIn this episode of Two Ordinary Cops, Damo and Schultzy kick off with some well-deserved shout-outs before taking a trip down memory lane, flipping through Damo’s old notebooks and diaries. As they relive past cases, they highlight why good note-taking is a must for any cop—whether it’s for court evidence, recalling key details, or building a solid career in law enforcement.
2025-02-2151 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 57 - From Bystander to Badge: When Cops Can’t Walk AwayEver had to call yourself on duty? The Two Ordinary Cops have – and they've got the stories to prove it. From breaking up a fight to dealing with a heated domestic and even facing down an armed offender, they share real moments when they had no choice but to step in. But it’s not just about taking action—it's about doing it smartly. They stress the importance of assessing the risks before jumping in, because being a cop 24/7 doesn’t mean throwing caution to the wind. Tune in for the adrenaline, the lessons, and a few laughs along the way.
2025-02-1451 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 56 - Who’s Really in Charge During a Natural DisasterIn this episode, Damo and Schultzy dive into the world of emergency management—what it is, how it works, and why politicians often have little to no say when natural disasters strike. They pull back the curtain on who’s actually running the show when chaos hits and share some of their own experiences from the front lines. Plus, there’s a shoutout to the legends they still know up in the Northern Territory.
2025-02-0746 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 55 - The Realities of Leadership – Building a Motivated TeamWhat does it take to create a team that’s motivated, enthusiastic, and ready to get the job done? In this episode, Damo and Schultzy break down the challenges and rewards of leadership—how to inspire your team, keep them engaged, and tackle the tough conversations that come with the role.
Being a great leader isn’t always easy. Sometimes, it means making mistakes, learning from them, and having difficult but necessary conversations. The Two Ordinary Cops share their real-world experiences on what works, what doesn’t, and how to build a strong, motivated team that gets results...
2025-01-3155 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 54 - Complacency, Air Wing, and Fishy PursuitsIn this episode, Schultzy and Damo dive into the topic of complacency in policing—how it creeps into the job, its impact on outcomes, and the lessons they've learned along the way. They share their personal journeys, reflecting on times when they went from being vigilant to complacent and then back to being sharp and focused. Of course, there are plenty of shoutouts, including a special one to the Police Air Wing. And don't miss the story about the barramundi in the police cage during a pursuit—because, as always, you can count on a few wild tales!
2025-01-2442 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 53 - Assault Police InsightsIn this episode, Schultzy and Damo kick off with shout-outs and current events before discussing a facility created to support Emergency Services personnel with PTSD. They then dive into the main topic, "Assault Police," exploring the levels of force that can be lawfully used, including how it depends on factors like size disparity. They also share personal stories of when they or their mates were assaulted on duty. A mix of real-world insights, heartfelt shout-outs, and candid conversation awaits.
2025-01-1755 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 52 - Police NegotiatorsIn this episode of Two Ordinary Cops, the hosts take listeners into the fascinating and high-stakes world of police negotiations. Damo shares insights into the specialised training police receive for these critical situations, highlighting key strategies and techniques used to de-escalate conflicts and reach resolutions. Drawing from his own experiences on the job, Damo recounts gripping real-life incidents where these negotiation skills were put to the test, offering a compelling look at the challenges and rewards of this vital aspect of policing.
2025-01-1056 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 51 - Interview with Sergeant Adam SwiftIn this episode, the Two Ordinary Cops chat with Sergeant Adam Swift, who serves as both an instructor at the police college and the Vice President of the Northern Territory Police Association. Adam shares his journey into policing, some humorous anecdotes, and his experiences during his career in the force.
2025-01-0338 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 50 - Answering the Call to Police ServiceIn this episode, the Two Ordinary Cops share their journey into the Northern Territory Police Force, discussing what motivated them to join and the experiences that shaped their decision. They reflect on their stories, from childhood through to their time in the force, explaining why they eventually left. They also explore the valuable skills they gained during their careers and how these skills can be applied to life after policing.
2025-01-0341 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 49 - Interview with Commander Kylie AndersonIn this episode, the Two Ordinary Cops had the pleasure of interviewing Kylie Anderson, whose remarkable career and experiences as a woman in the police force make her an inspiration for young women considering or starting a career in law enforcement. Kylie shares valuable insights, not only about her journey as a female officer but also about the challenges she faced while rising through the ranks.
2024-12-2737 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 48 - Q&A: Tough TopicsDamo and Schultzy present their second Q&A episode for the Two Ordinary Cops podcast, beginning on a sombre note as they share the sad news of a friend’s passing over Christmas. They then offer their perspectives on addressing youth crime, followed by a discussion about poor behaviour from transport or traffic officers. The conversation shifts to analysing a scenario involving a domestic situation. Finally, they introduce the second episode of the week, featuring their interview with Kylie Anderson.
2024-12-2732 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 47 - Interview with Nathan Finn NT Police AssociationIn this episode, the Two Ordinary Cops sit down with Nathan Finn, the president of the Northern Territory Police Association, for an engaging and insightful chat. Nathan shares the story of his remarkable career, from his early days on the beat to his rise as a passionate advocate for his fellow officers. Along the way, he recounts some nail-biting encounters, moments of humour, and the challenges of speaking out on controversial issues. Known for always standing up for the troops, Nathan offers a unique perspective that’s equal parts compelling and inspiring.
2024-12-2044 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 46 - A Northern Territory Journey and the Ben Hoffmann StandoffIn this episode, we wrap up our Northern Territory trip and share some of your messages and feedback. Damo also opens up about his role in the 2019 Darwin active shooter incident involving Ben Hoffmann. He shares gripping behind-the-scenes details of the response, offering a rare glimpse into the intensity and challenges of that day. It’s a mix of reflection, gratitude, and raw insight you won’t want to miss.
2024-12-2059 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 45 - Back in the Territory!The two ordinary cops are back where it all began travelling to Darwin and Katherine to catch up with old friends and have a laugh. Standby to some great conversations with the men and women who do the job.
2024-12-1326 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 44 - "Crossing the Line: Policing NT's Borders and Beyond"
In this episode of Crossing the Line, we delve into the unique challenges of policing across state and territory boundaries from the perspective of the Northern Territory Police. From tracking offenders fleeing interstate to executing extradition warrants, this episode uncovers the critical coordination required between jurisdictions to ensure justice is served. With stories of persistence, collaboration, and determination, we’ll show why offenders truly have nowhere to hide when the NT Police are on their trail.
2024-12-0647 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 43 - First on Scene: First Aid in the ForceIn this episode, we dive into the world of first aid on the front line. From assisting paramedics to managing critical injuries, we share real-life stories from our time in the police force. We also explore the unique responsibilities officers face in these high-pressure situations, balancing medical aid, securing the scene, and supporting everyone involved.
2024-11-2947 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 42 - Shedding Light On SuicideIn this compelling discussion, The Two Ordinary Cops delve into one of the most challenging topics society faces: suicide. They explore the profound ways it impacts individuals, families, and communities, offering insights drawn from their unique perspective on the front lines.
From the emotional toll on loved ones to the intricate process of investigating deaths, the podcast examines the ripple effects of suicide in a thoughtful and compassionate way. They also address the complexities faced by those who attend to suicide attempts and highlight the importance of supporting families dealing with such tragedies.
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2024-11-2237 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 41 - Weird JobsIn this episode, Schultzy and Damo dive into the wild world of unusual jobs they've tackled over the years, from a spooky gig involving a ghost to an unexpected encounter with women's underwear! They’ll share stories of the strange, the hilarious, and the downright bizarre. Expect plenty of laughs, some surprising shoutouts, and a few tall tales you won’t want to miss.
2024-11-1535 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 40 - Escorting PrisonersIn this episode, Damo and Schultzy dive into the fascinating world of prisoner escorts, exploring how police procedures have evolved over the years. They’ll take you from early vehicle convoys to high-stakes air transport with the police airwing, sharing captivating stories from their experiences along the way. Tune in for behind-the-scenes insights, along with shout-outs to new listeners who are joining the ride. Whether you're interested in police work or just love a good story, you won't want to miss this one!
2024-11-0846 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 39 - Drugs....Territory StyleSchultzy and Damo explore the spectrum of drug use in the Northern Territory, from the everyday to the more extreme, across a variety of settings. They delve into substances that might fly under the radar, like Kava, and discuss its unique impact on certain communities. Along the way, they share a mix of captivating and chilling stories about their encounters with drugs in the Territory. Of course, it wouldn’t be complete without some laughs, a few shout-outs, and plenty of banter. Tune in for an entertaining podcast you won't want to miss!
2024-11-0148 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 38 - Life in the Police ForceSchultzy and Damo explore the wide range of career opportunities available within the police force. These include roles in crime scene investigation, forensic analysis, general duties, and specialized positions within tactical teams.
2024-10-2546 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 37 - Women in Policing / Work, Life BalanceIn this episode, Damo and Schultzy discuss the role of women in the police force, highlighting their impact, strengths, and contributions toward equality. They also give a few shout-outs and explore topics like work-life balance and advice for those considering joining the police later in life.
2024-10-1841 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 36 - Relating to Normal PeopleIn today's episode, Schultzy and Damo explore how frontline personnel relate to everyday people in society. They discuss the unique experiences and challenges faced by those working on the front lines, offering insights that anyone who has been in these roles will understand. Through conversation and a few personal stories, they shed light on what life is like "behind the line," giving listeners a deeper understanding of this often unseen side of work.
2024-10-1142 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 35 - Wild JobsSchultzy and Damo kick things off with some shout-outs before recounting some of their experiences with ARPs coming from New Zealand. Then they dive into some wild jobs they attended from totalling two police cars in a single job to dodging flying wine bottles and beer cans, they’ve seen it all—and lived to tell the tale! Get ready for some jaw-dropping stories you won't believe!
2024-10-0445 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 34 - Stress of the JobFrontline service roles often come with significant operational stress. In this episode, Schultzy and Damo discuss the challenges that come with these jobs and explore how a strong team mentality can not only ease that stress but also enhance productivity and make work more enjoyable.
2024-09-2735 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 33 - Managing Incidents and Witness AccountsIn this episode, we’ll cover key insights and background on effectively managing incidents, whether they’re minor or major. We'll also discuss factors that can influence the accounts of victims and witnesses.
2024-09-2031 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 32 - Two Ordinary Cops Q&AWelcome to the First Q&A of “The Two Ordinary Cops”! In this episode, Schultzy puts Damo in the hot seat, tackling questions from our listeners about dark humor, the attitude of traffic cops, and advice for preparing for police college.
2024-09-1338 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 31 - Youth CrimeSchultzy and Damo dive into the topic of youth crime from a police perspective, they aim to present a clear, fact-based analysis without the sensationalism often seen in the media or political discourse. Here's a more nuanced view of the situation
2024-09-0637 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 30 - CamaraderieCamaraderie is more essential than ever in today's world. To get work done efficiently, effectively, and positively, you need a team that collaborates well. But does a strong team lead to corruption? It all depends on the team you build—because a good team can also foster strong ethics. In this episode, Damo and Schultzy dive into these topics with their signature humor to keep things light.
2024-08-3040 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 29 - Police, Fitness and WellbeingAfter getting some feedback, Damo and Schultzy discuss fitness, wellbeing, and managing night shifts in the police force. Although they may not be the top experts in these areas, they share insights from their own experiences and offer their perspectives on effective strategies for handling these challenges while working in law enforcement.
2024-08-2340 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 28 - Being Resilient and Defining BoundariesIn this episode, Schultzy and Damo, having received some insightful feedback, delve into the crucial topic of resilience for police officers when dealing with verbal abuse. They also explore the importance of establishing respect within the community by balancing firmness with fairness and clearly defining boundaries.
2024-08-1637 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 27 - Rewarding JobsDamo and Schultzy discuss some of the jobs in the police where they not only felt rewarded for their efforts but made a difference to people in difficult times. In and around this they discuss some of the feedback they have received and some of the topics that they will discuss in the future. This is mixed in with a bit of humour and laughs keeping up with their normal standard of conversation.
2024-08-0937 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 26 - Wieambilla ShootingIn this episode Damo and Schultzy decided to talk about the Wieambilla Shooting that occurred in December 2022. Due to the current inquest the topic has been on their minds, leading them to discuss it in a manner that humanises the police and offers a different perspective on the incident.
2024-08-0233 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 25 - Alice SpringsThe Two Ordinary Cops engage in a conversation about the challenges Damo faced residing in Alice Springs and carrying out policing duties in the area. Amidst generational tensions and societal dysfunction, the news is consistently filled with troubling headlines, yet viable resolutions remain elusive. This is a behind the scenes view of what Alice Springs is real like.
2024-07-2638 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 24 - Behind the Lines of Undercover Policing.Schultzy and Damo explore the realm of undercover policing with insights from Jason Somerville, a former undercover operative in the Queensland Police. The anecdotes shared are captivating, ranging from moments of perceived imminent danger or exposure to more lighthearted and comical situations that Jason encountered during his undercover assignments.
2024-07-1953 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 23 - Sticky SituationsDamo and Schutzy reflect on the various demanding scenarios they have faced in their careers while serving in remote regions of Australia. They emphasize the crucial role of mentorship provided by senior officers in their early days, guiding them in managing situations with minimal use of force. They highlight the necessity for police officers to adjust their policing approaches when operating in such rural settings to effectively navigate the challenges inherent in bush policing.
2024-07-1238 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 22 - Lethal Use Of ForceDamo and Schultzy discuss the guidelines set forth in policy, procedure, and legislation that dictate when law enforcement officers are permitted to employ lethal force. They recount personal anecdotes of near encounters that could have warranted such action, shedding light on the complexities while navigating these high-stress scenarios.
2024-07-0543 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 21 - Funny Stories 3 - Good Ol' GrogDamo and Schultzy share amusing anecdotes during nights out, involving intoxicated individuals, such as men disrobing in front of female officers and women concealing items from police.
2024-06-2841 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 20 - The Bob Rennie Series - Part 4Retired Superintendent Robert Rennie AMP emphasised that he moved into the commissioned role in the police to maintain high morale among officers and addressing systemic challenges within the police force to enhance trust, effectiveness of law enforcement to serve the community well. The discussion revolves around both positive and negative experiences and the importance in recognising and resolving systemic obstacles like training deficiencies, resource limitations, leadership issues, and organisational culture to improve the overall functioning of the law enforcement system.
2024-06-2136 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 19 - The Bob Rennie Series - Part 3Retired Superintendent Robert Rennie APM shares insights on the Jabiluka Mine protests in 1998. At that time, Bob supervised up to 52 police officers and coordinated the police actions during the protests. In this discussion, he addresses different types of protesters, ranging from sincere environmentalists to radical extremists.
2024-06-1442 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 18 - The Bob Rennie Series - Part 2Accompany the Two Ordinary Cops as they engage in a conversation with Retired Superintendent Robert Rennie APM, reminiscing about his experiences at the police academy during the early 1980s and reflecting on the unique challenges of law enforcement during that period. The dialogue delves into the strong sense of camaraderie within the police force, portraying it as a cohesive family unit that operated as a unified team. As is customary in our episodes, entertaining anecdotes and thrilling narratives punctuate the discussion, adding levity and excitement to the exchange.
2024-06-0741 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 17 - The Bob Rennie Series - Part 1It is time to hear from some of the legends of the Northern Territory police force. In the initial segment Damo and Schultzy engage in a conversation with Retired Superintendent Robert Rennie APM, to gain insights into the early days of policing that preceded their own experiences. In this episode he will share anecdotes about his various roles within the police force, offering humorous and insightful stories. Tune in to gain valuable perspectives on the evolution of policing from the early 1980's to the present day.
2024-05-3134 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 16 - Being Resourceful Without ResourcesSchultzy and Damo delve into the challenges of conducting major operations, such as a yacht rescue and murder investigations, in remote areas with minimal resources, emphasising the pivotal role of strong community engagement as a cornerstone of success.
2024-05-241h 04Two Ordinary CopsEpisode 15 - Our worst jobs...Police will attend a high number of distressing jobs in their career and there are always some that are burned into your brain. In this episode Schultzy and Damo talk about some of the jobs, that not only affected them at the time, but continue to affect them years down the track.
2024-05-1751 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 14 - Funny Stories 2Today, Damo and Schultzy are regaling us with amusing anecdotes from their time on the job, ranging from thrilling car chases to unexpected encounters with pepper spray. Sit back, relax, and prepare to be entertained by their hilarious tales.
2024-05-1031 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 13 - Conducting InvestigationsDamo and Schultzy give you a brief overview of how police conduct investigations on a strategic level, before talking about one of their first investigations together as junior cops. Of course this comes with a few deviations and shoutouts to people who contacted us recently.
2024-05-0337 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 12 - ANZAC DaySchultzy and Damo talk about how important it is to remember ANZAC day along with some of the discussions they had with defence personnel. It includes some of the feedback they received and some ideas of what people would like to hear in future episodes.
2024-04-2634 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 11 - Police and PodcastIn this episode, Schultzy and Damo chat about releasing the podcast along with some of the feedback they received. They discuss some of the reasons they left the police, along with some of the issues police face every day, both on and off the road. However there is always laughter to be had along the way.
2024-04-1934 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 10 - Domestic ViolenceDomestic Violence (DV) is a very heavy subject but it is one that needs to be discussed. In this episode Damo and Schultzy talk about some of the history of police dealing with DV and some of the difficulties police now face when investigating DV incidents.
2024-04-1230 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 9 - LeadershipThe two ordinary cops discuss the importance of leadership within policing on many different levels and within the community itself.
2024-04-0529 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 8 - Specialist RolesThe two ordinary cops talk about the mental step up from GD's policing to the more complex criminal investigation side of the house.
2024-04-0536 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 7 - Bush Policing 101Schultzy and Damo describe what it is like policing in the bush. Get some insight about lessons learned and what is the best approach when working in some of the most remote communities in Australia.
2024-03-2933 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 6 - Funny StoriesIn the last episode we spoke about PTSD and some of the challenges that come with it. Now we would like to lighten the mood and make you laugh. These are real stories, so sit back and enjoy.
2024-03-2334 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 5 - Talking PTSDListen to Damo and Schultzies experiences living with PTSD and stories from close friends they have shared with us.
This is brought to you through early popular demand from our previous releases. These stories may affect some listeners.
2024-03-2328 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 4 - The First Big Job continuedFollowing on from the last episode, Schultzy talks about his first critical incident.
2024-03-2323 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 3 - The First Big JobAfter a few months of getting used to the rigours of policing, the two ordinary cops discuss their first critical incidents and how that affected them. Damo starts off talking about his first big job.
2024-03-2327 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 2 - The first Days on the BeatThe two ordinary cops complete training and start their careers as probationary constables in the top end town of Katherine.
2024-03-2327 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode 1 - The CollegeThe two ordinary cops start out as trainees at the Northern Territory Police, Fire and Emergency Services College.
2024-03-2325 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode Six - Funny StoriesIn the last episode we spoke about PTSD and some of the challenges that come with it. Now we would like to lighten the mood and make you laugh. These are real stories, so sit back and enjoy.
2024-03-2234 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode five - Opening the conversation about PTSDListen to Damo and Schultzies experiences living with PTSD and stories from close friends they have shared with us.
This is brought to you through early popular demand from our previous releases. These stories may affect some listeners.
2024-03-1928 minTwo Ordinary CopsEpisode four - The first big job continuedFollowing on from the last episode, Schultzy talks about his first critical incident.
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