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It Means What It MeansEpisode 109: The Pro-Choice Biblical Ethic with Kirk MacGregorKirk MacGregor discusses his Journal of Biblical Literature article “The Pro-Choice Biblical Ethic of American Evangelical Scholars before the Religious Right.” MacGregor’s article is focused on understanding the historical context of and changes since the 1968 Protestant Symposium on the Control of Human Reproduction. Resources mentioned or recommended in this episode include MacGregor’s book A Historical and Theological Investigation of John’s Gospel; historian Randall Balmer; Brave New People: Ethical Issues at the Commencement of Life; author Letha Scanzoni; “The ‘Biblical View’ That’s Younger than the Happy Meal”; Thy Kingdom Come: How the religious Right Distorts Faith and Threatens Americ...
2026-01-091h 10It Means What It MeansEpisode 107: Rereading Romans 1-3 with Douglas CampbellDouglas Campbell discusses his journey through theology, focusing on the interpretation of Paul's letters, particularly Romans. He emphasizes the importance of rereading Romans 1-3 with greater emphasis on the overarching themes of love and grace found in the later chapters. Campbell critiques the traditional interpretations that lean towards a punitive understanding of God and advocates for a view of God as fundamentally loving and inclusive. He also shares his experiences working with prisons and the need for a compassionate approach to those incarcerated, highlighting the emotional and relational aspects of the gospel. This episode is based on one of...
2025-12-301h 03It Means What It MeansEpisode 106: In the Wilderness with Peter Altmann & Caio PeresPeter Altmann and Caio Peres discuss their commentary on the Book of Numbers from the Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries. They explore the significance of biblical commentaries, the diverse perspectives brought by authors from different cultural backgrounds, and the importance of understanding the complexities of biblical texts. The conversation delves into themes such as the relevance of Numbers for contemporary faith communities, the nature of atonement and ritual, and the challenges of interpreting scripture within various cultural contexts. The guests emphasize the need for a nuanced approach to biblical interpretation that acknowledges the richness of the text and its implications...
2025-12-241h 19It Means What It MeansEpisode 102: Under Her Wings with Jennifer Houston McNeelJennifer Houston McNeel sit down with Jared to talk about her book Under Her Wings: Mothers and Motherhood in the New Testament. She explores the use of maternal language, the cultural context of Greco-Roman family values, and the significance of women in biblical genealogies. The discussion also touches on the theological implications of motherhood and the role of Mary in the incarnation, highlighting how these themes resonate with contemporary understandings of motherhood. Resources mentioned or recommended in this episode include Andrew Peterson’s Behold the Lamb of God; Blessed Among Women? Mothers and Motherhood in the New Testament; Women in...
2025-12-0357 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 100: Literary Constructions and Stereotypes of Slavery with William OwensWilliam Owens discusses his chapter “Literary Constructions and Stereotypes of Slavery” from the book Ancient Slavery and Its New Testament Contexts. He also discusses his academic journey and insights into the literary constructions of slavery in ancient texts. He emphasizes the importance of reading against the grain to uncover the voices of the enslaved and critiques the stereotypes and power dynamics present in these narratives. The discussion also explores the role of tenant farmers versus enslaved individuals, cultural reflections on slavery in modern media, and the complexities of enslaved characters in literature. Owens concludes with recommendations for further reading incl...
2025-11-191h 05It Means What It MeansEpisode 99: Passion, Politics, and Power with Samuel WellsSamuel Wells is back to discuss his book Power and Passion: Six Characters in Search of Resurrection! The book in an exploration of the intertwining themes of power, passion, and resurrection through the lens of biblical characters. Wells emphasizes the importance of community engagement and the methodology of Lectio Divina in understanding scripture. The discussion also delves into the political implications of these themes in contemporary society, urging listeners to reflect on their own relationships and responsibilities. Resources mentioned in this episode include The Passion of Political Love, Six Characters in Search of an Author, and support to World...
2025-11-121h 09It Means What It MeansEpisode 98: Zorastrian Echoes in Yahwistic Sources with Gad BarneaGad Barnea discusses his research on Achaemenid Zoroastrianism and its connections to early Yahwism. He explores the historical context of Zoroastrianism, its cultic practices, and the assimilation of deities in ancient religions. Barnea also highlights significant artifacts, such as ostraca, that provide insights into the religious practices of the time. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding these ancient belief systems and their influence on one another, as well as recommendations for further reading on the subject. Recommendations mentioned in this podcast include Yahwism Under the Achaemenid Empire and The Origins of Judaism.
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2025-11-051h 07It Means What It MeansEpisode 97: A Human God? with Ellen De DonckerEllen De Doncker discusses her PhD dissertation A Human God?: A Comparative Analysis of Anthropomorphisms in the Hebrew and Greek Pentateuch. She outlines her research objectives, including a comparative analysis of anthropomorphic language in both texts, the challenges of defining anthropomorphism, and the role of translators in shaping the meaning of biblical texts. Ellen emphasizes the importance of cultural context and the theological implications of the Septuagint, while also addressing the complexities of qualitative versus quantitative analysis in translation. Resources recommended or mentioned in this episode include Multiple Authorship of the Septuagint Pentateuch: The Original Translators of the Pentateuch...
2025-10-291h 10It Means What It MeansEpisode 96: The Story of Codex H with Garrick Allen & Kimberley FowlerGarrick Allen and Kimberly Fowler delve into the fascinating world of biblical manuscripts, focusing on Codex H and its significance in biblical studies. They explore the intricacies of textual criticism, the role of individual manuscripts in understanding early Christianity, and the collaborative process behind their recent article. The conversation highlights the importance of manuscript terminology, the treatment of sacred texts in different cultures, and the rich history of manuscript preservation and restoration. Resources recommended in this episode include The Living Texts of the Gospels; To Cast the First Stone: The Transmission of a Gospel Story; Words Are Not Enough...
2025-10-221h 23It Means What It MeansEpisode 95: Philo's Embassy to Gaius with Tommy WoodwardTommy Woodward discusses his Journal of Biblical Literature article “Theorizing Laughter and Ethnicity in Philo’s Embassy to Gaius.” He delves into how Philo uses laughter as a tool for social commentary and critique, particularly against the Egyptian population, while also addressing the complexities of ethnic identity in the ancient world. Tommy shares insights from his academic journey, including his methodology and the creation of a database to track instances of laughter in ancient texts, highlighting the nuanced interpretations of laughter in Hellenistic Judaism. Resources mentioned in this episode include the work of Denise Kimber Buell and Stanley Fish, New Wo...
2025-10-151h 17It Means What It MeansEpisode 94: Metaphors of Enslavement with Marianne Bjelland KartzowMarianne Bjelland Kartzow discusses her chapter “Metaphors of Enslavement” in the book Ancient Slavery and Its New Testament Contexts. Her research focuses on the significance of slavery in ancient texts and its implications for understanding figures like Mary and Paul. She explores the complexities of consent in slavery, the metaphorical use of slavery in biblical texts, and how these concepts resonate with contemporary discussions about human dignity and societal structures. The conversation concludes with recommendations for further reading and a call for curiosity and action regarding social issues. Marianne recommends that listeners use libraries as much as possible. To that...
2025-10-0856 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 93: Is Hosea Also among the Traumatized? with Brad KelleBrad Kelle discusses his Journal of Biblical Literature article “Is Hosea Also among the Traumatized? The Book of Hosea and Trauma Hermeneutics.” He explores how trauma hermeneutics has evolved, emphasizing the shift from individual to communal trauma interpretations. Kelle highlights the complexity of prophetic literature, the layers of meaning within texts, and the importance of understanding the cultural and historical contexts of these writings. He encourages readers to engage with biblical texts as living documents that can provide insight into personal and communal trauma, while also recommending further reading on the subject. Recommendations in this episode include (friends of the...
2025-10-011h 14It Means What It MeansEpisode 92: The Jurisprudential Significance of אשר with Ryan ChesterRyan Chester discusses his Journal of Biblical Literature article “The Jurisprudential Significance of אשר: A Case Study in Leviticus 10:1–3.” He delves into the significance of Leviticus 10:1-3, exploring the concept of “ashér” and its implications in biblical law and jurisprudence. The discussion highlights the nuances of translation, particularly the role of punctuation, and the importance of understanding atonement in the context of sacrificial practices. Chester emphasizes the need to grasp the philosophical underpinnings of law as opposed to merely its textual aspects, providing a comprehensive view of biblical jurisprudence. Resources recommended in this conversation include Ancient Near Eastern Thought and the Old Te...
2025-09-241h 25It Means What It MeansEpisode 91: The Time It Takes with Troy TroftgrubenTroy Troftgruben discusses his Journal of Biblical Literature article “The Time It Takes: Prolonged Pace in Luke’s Travel Narrative (9:51-19:44).” He brings a wealth of valuable insights on the Gospel of Luke, particularly focusing on the travel narrative from chapters 9 to 19. He explores the significance of time and pacing in the narrative, the multifaceted nature of salvation in the canonical Gospels, and the central theme of discipleship. Troftgruben also emphasizes the unique language of journey in Luke, the key features of the travel narrative, and the theological motivations behind Luke's narrative structure and highlights the artistic craft of Luke's...
2025-09-171h 02It Means What It MeansEpisode 90: Trauma Theory, Trauma Story with Sarah EmanuelSarah Emanuel discusses her book Trauma Theory, Trauma Story: A Narration of Biblical Studies and the World of Trauma. She explores the intersection of various disciplines such as psychology, sociology, and literary studies in understanding trauma and its effects on narratives. Emanuel emphasizes the importance of narrative in trauma recovery and how modern interpretive frameworks can enhance our understanding of ancient texts. The discussion also touches on the communal aspects of trauma and the impact of unrecognized trauma on storytelling and the intricate relationship between trauma and food, exploring how trauma affects individuals' eating habits and emotional responses. Resources...
2025-09-101h 09It Means What It MeansEpisode 89: The Anti-Eschatological Elijah with David DeJongDavid DeJong discusses his research on the reception history of the Hebrew Bible, particularly focusing on the Day of Adonai and the role of Elijah in eschatological thought. He introduces the concept of the 'anti-eschatological Elijah,' arguing that this figure serves to defer the Day of the Lord by establishing prerequisites for its arrival. The discussion also explores the diverse messianic expectations in Second Temple Judaism, the interpretive role of scribes, and the differences between the Hebrew text and the Septuagint. DeJong emphasizes the dynamic interplay between sociological and scriptural interpretations in ancient Judaism and early Christianity, particularly...
2025-09-031h 18It Means What It MeansEpisode 88: Enslavement in the Roman World with Javal ColemanJaval Coleman discusses his chapter, “Enslavement in the Roman World,” from the book Ancient Slavery and Its New Testament Contexts. He highlights the story of Acte, an enslaved woman, to illustrate the nuances of manumission and the societal perceptions of enslaved people. The discussion also delves into the concept of citizenship in antiquity, the dehumanizing aspects of slavery, and the ongoing relevance of these themes in contemporary scholarship. Resources mentioned and recommended in this episode include author Saidiya Hartman, Finding Phoebe, Greek Slave Systems in the Eastern Mediterranean Context, Slavery in the Roman World, Freed Slaves and Roman Imperial Cult...
2025-08-271h 18It Means What It MeansEpisode 87: The Tyrant Philosophers with Adrian TchaikovskyScience fiction and fantasy writer Adrian Tchaikovsky discusses his series The Tyrant Philosophers, exploring themes of colonialism, morality, and the lives of ordinary people amidst grand historical events. He delves into character development, particularly focusing on the character Yasnic, who embodies passive resistance and moral integrity. Tchaikovsky also shares insights on world-building, the consequences of healing magic, and the complexities of power and corruption within his narratives. Other works and authors recommended or mentioned in this episode include The Revolutions Podcast, The Raven Tower, NK Jemisin, Joe Abercrombie, Small Gods, Brandon Sanderson, Babel, Piranesi, The Starless Sea, Jonathan Strange...
2025-08-201h 05It Means What It MeansEpisode 86: Scripting the Son with Kyle HughesKyle Hughes discusses his work on prosopological exegesis and its significance in early Christianity. He explains how early church fathers interpreted scripture, focusing on key figures like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Origen. The dialogue explores the challenges of reading biblical texts through an historical-critical lens and the importance of understanding the church's tradition in interpreting scripture. Hughes emphasizes the need for humility in engaging with early Christian writings and the value of prosopological exegesis in understanding the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Learn more about prosopological exegesis from Kyle’s book Scripting the Son: Scriptural Ex...
2025-08-131h 01It Means What It MeansEpisode 85: Ancient Slavery and Its New Testament Contexts II: Manumission with Chance E BonarThis conversation explores the concept of manumission in ancient Mediterranean societies, particularly during the New Testament era. Chance Bonar (a contributor to the book Ancient Slavery and its New Testament Contexts) discusses the various types of manumission, the complex relationship between freedom and manumission, and the challenges faced by enslaved individuals seeking to purchase their freedom. The dialogue also delves into biblical perspectives on slavery and the implications of these historical practices for modern understandings of freedom and anti-slavery movements. This conversation explores the complexities of slavery in antiquity, particularly focusing on the legal framework of manumission during the...
2025-08-0659 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 84: Jude's Use of a Kaige Edition of Enochic Scripture with Timothy A LeeTimothy A Lee discusses his article from the Journal for the Study of the Pseudepigrapha, “Jude’s Use of A Kaige Edition of Enochic Scripture.” He talks about his academic journey from mathematics to biblical studies, ultimately focusing his research on the proposed Kaige revision of Greek translations of the Hebrew Bible. Other resources mentioned or recommended in this episode include, works by Jean-Dominique Barthélemy, The Online Critical Pseudepigrapha, Textual Evolution and Growth of the Enochic Theophany in the Book of the Watchers 1:1-9, Richard Bauckham’s Commentary on Jude, Septuagint, Scrolls and Cognate Writings: Papers Presented to the Inter...
2025-07-301h 01It Means What It MeansEpisode 83: Ancient Slavery and Its New Testament Contexts I with Christy Cobb and Katherine ShanerScholars Katherine Shaner and Christy Cobb discuss their collaboration as editors for the book Ancient Slavery and Its New Testament Contexts and their respective contributions. Resources mentioned or recommended in this episode include, Corinthian Democracy: Democratic Discourse in 1 Corinthians, The Half Has Never Been Told: Slavery and the Making of American Capitalism, Slavery in Early Christianity, Criminalization in Acts of the Apostles: Race, Rhetoric, and the Prosecution of an Early Christian Movement, Mitzi J Smith, Angela N Parker, Kristin Hannah, A Mercy, and James.
2025-07-231h 09It Means What It MeansEpisode 82: The Seven Mountains Mandate with Matthew BoedyMatthew Boedy discusses the Seven Mountains Mandate, a concept within certain evangelical circles that seeks to reclaim seven areas of cultural influence in America: government, religion, education, family, media, entertainment, and business. He explores the historical context of this movement, its key figures, and the implications for democracy and national identity. The discussion also delves into how biblical texts are interpreted to support this mandate and the coalitional politics that have emerged around it, particularly in relation to authoritarianism and Christian nationalism. Make sure to check out Matthew’s book The Seven Mountains Mandate: Exposing the Dangerous Plan to Ch...
2025-07-161h 17It Means What It MeansEpisode 81: Persian-Style Historiography in Ezra-Nehemiah with Sam BlankenshipIn this conversation, Sam Blankenship discusses her research on Persian-style historiography in the context of Ezra-Nehemiah. She explores the contributions of Arnaldo Momigliano to historiography, the definition of history, and the role of charts in historical documentation. The discussion delves into how Persian administration influenced Jewish historiography and the dual nature of historical narratives in Ezra-Nehemiah, highlighting the complexities of audience and purpose in historical writing. Resources mentioned or recommended in this conversation include, Arnaldo Momigliano, Persian Fire, Bruce Lincoln, Aspects of History and Epic in Ancient Iran, From Cyrus to Alexander, The Persian Empire: A Corpus of Sources...
2025-07-091h 01It Means What It MeansEpisode 80: Lamb of the Free with Andrew RilleraAndrew Rillera discusses his book Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus’s Death, exploring the multifaceted nature of sacrifice in Christianity, particularly focusing on Jesus' death and its significance. He emphasizes the importance of understanding sacrifice beyond traditional interpretations, advocating for a framework of solidarity and participation. The discussion delves into the role of Levitical sacrifices, the significance of Passover, and the implications of Jesus' ascension in relation to purification and atonement. Other resources mentioned or recommended in this episode include, The works of David Moffitt, Christian Eberhardt, Joel Baden, Jacob Milgrom, Liane Feldman, Si...
2025-07-021h 44It Means What It MeansEpisode 79: Traditions III: Baptist with Elizabeth ArnoldElizabeth Arnold shares her journey from a New Testament scholar to a minister within the Baptist tradition (Cooperative Baptist Fellowship). She discusses her experiences at Candler School of Theology, her views on the radical roots of Baptists, and the importance of individualism in American faith. Elizabeth emphasizes the need for democratizing theological education and making biblical languages accessible to all. The conversation also delves into the significance of Bible translations and the role of marginal notes in understanding scripture. Other resources mentioned or recommended in this conversation include The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity; Towards Baptist...
2025-06-251h 17It Means What It MeansEpisode 78: Spirit Possession and Intimate Partner Violence with Reed CarlsonReed Carlson discusses his Journal of Biblical Literature article “Spirit Possession and Intimate Partner Violence in the Law of Jealousy.” He delves into the social dynamics of jealousy and how they relate to intimate partner violence (IPV). The discussion highlights the importance of understanding these themes within the broader framework of community and relationships in the Hebrew Bible. Carlson also emphasizes the need for local action against IPV. Other resources mentioned or recommended in this episode include classicist (and friend of the show) Anthony Ellis, Jealousy in Context, Ingrid Lily, Annette Yoshiko Reed, The Idea of Possession, Unfamiliar Selves:Poss...
2025-06-181h 07It Means What It MeansEpisode 77: Judaism: A Guide for Christians with Tzvi NovickTzvi Novick, Abrams Professor of Jewish Though and Culture at the University of Notre Dame, discusses his book Judaism: A Guide for Christians. He explores the complexities of Jewish identity, the relationship between Judaism and Christianity, and the significance of rabbinic literature. He also emphasizes the importance of understanding Judaism not just as a religion but as a cultural and ethnic identity, delves into the role of Torah in Jewish life, explores the concept of the afterlife, and discusses the community aspect of Jewish observance. Resources mentioned or recommended in this episode include 18Forty, Judaism Unbound, Rabbi Shai Held...
2025-06-111h 04It Means What It MeansEpisode 76: Women and the Gender of God with Amy PeelerAmy Peeler discusses her book Women and the Gender of God, exploring the complexities of gender in theology, the nature of God, and the role of women in the church. She emphasizes the importance of understanding gender as it relates to divine revelation and the implications of language used to describe God. The discussion also delves into ancient perspectives on conception, the political and ontological aspects of the title “Son of God,” and the significance of fatherhood in understanding divine relationships. Authors and resources mentioned or recommended in this episode include Michael Peppard, Lynn Marie Tonstad, Jürgen Moltmann, Andre...
2025-06-041h 05It Means What It MeansEpisode 75: Turning Points in American Church History with Elesha CoffmanJared interviews Elesha Coffman, a professor of history at Baylor University, about her book Turning Points in American Church History. They discussed the genesis of the book, the importance of understanding contingency in history, and the idiosyncratic approach Coffman takes in her analysis of pivotal events. The conversation also delves into the complexities of American Protestantism, the political realignments throughout history, and the nature of hierarchies in American society. Elesha and Jared mentioned or recommended the following Rebel on Main, Nice Try, and the writings of Dorothy Sayers and Agatha Christie.
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2025-05-281h 07It Means What It MeansEpisode 74: Courtroom Theatrics in the Letter of James with Alicia BattenAlicia Batten, a professor of New Testament early Christianity, discusses her article “Courtroom Theatrics in the Letter of James.” She explores how the text critiques wealth and partiality, drawing parallels to ancient courtroom settings and the importance of community mediation in legal disputes. Batten also delves into the significance of various aspects of ancient cultures, particularly focusing on seating arrangements in synagogues, the significance of clothing in courtroom settings, and the social dynamics present in the biblical text of James. Alicia’s recommendations for resources include the works of Leanne Bablitz, Kelly Olson, David Gowler, Avi Shlaim, Alistair MacLeod, Mary O...
2025-05-2159 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 73: The Bible: A Global History with Bruce GordonBruce Gordon discusses his book The Bible: A Global History. He emphasizes the Bible's evolution, the significance of its materiality, and the ongoing discussions surrounding the canon, particularly in relation to the Council of Nicaea. This conversation explores the complexities of biblical texts, their translations, and interpretations across different cultures and historical contexts. Books mentioned and recommended in this episode include those by Lamin Sanneh, Philip Jenkins, Leo Tolstoy, and Fyodor Dostoevsky.
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2025-05-1458 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 72: A Syriac Gospel Fragmentary Manuscript with Catalin-Stefan PopaCatalin-Stefan Popa, a research professor at the Romanian Academy, discusses his article “An Early Ḥarklean Version in a Syriac Gospel Fragmentary Manuscript (MS Or. 403)” and about his research on Syriac manuscripts. They also discuss the significance of Syriac as a language, the historical context of the manuscripts, the role of marginalia, and the importance of manuscript preservation and digitization. Resources mentioned or recommended in this episode include Urho, The Way; The Digital Orientalist; Middle Eastern Manuscript Traditions; The Syriac Annals of the Romanian Academy; The Making of Syriac Jerusalem: Representations of the Holy City in Syriac Literature of Late...
2025-05-071h 04It Means What It MeansEpsiode 71.2: Male Friendship, Homosociality, and Women in the Hebrew Bible with Barbara ThiedeJared and Barbara Thiede discusses her book Male Friendship, Homosociality, and Women in the Hebrew Bible: Malignant Fraternities, exploring the concept of homosociality in biblical narratives, particularly among male characters. She reflects on the implications of these relationships in the context of contemporary issues surrounding toxic masculinity and gender dynamics. Thiede also examines the relationships of key biblical figures such as Judah, Hira, and David, and how these narratives can inform our understanding of masculinity today. Websites, books, and authors mentioned or recommended in this episode include The Shiloh Project, Ursula Vernon, Alix Harrow, Chronicles of Amber, Adrian Tchaikovsky...
2025-05-031h 02It Means What It MeansEpisode 71.1: Male Friendship, Homosociality, and Women in the Hebrew BibleJared and Barbara Thiede discusses her book Male Friendship, Homosociality, and Women in the Hebrew Bible: Malignant Fraternities, exploring the concept of homosociality in biblical narratives, particularly among male characters. She reflects on the implications of these relationships in the context of contemporary issues surrounding toxic masculinity and gender dynamics. Thiede also examines the relationships of key biblical figures such as Judah, Hira, and David, and how these narratives can inform our understanding of masculinity today. Websites, books, and authors mentioned or recommended in this episode include The Shiloh Project, Ursula Vernon, Alix Harrow, Chronicles of Amber, Adrian Tchaikovsky...
2025-04-3039 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 70: Fan Fiction and Early Christian Writings with Tom de BruinIn this conversation, Jared and Tom de Bruin discuss Tom’s book Fan Fiction and Early Christian Writings: Apocrypha, Pseudepigrapha and Canon. They consider the intersections of fan fiction and biblical texts, exploring how fan fiction can provide insights into the understanding of religious narratives. Tom delves into the concept of canon, the historical context of early Christian writings, and the complexities of textual ownership. Through contemporary examples, such as Anne Rice's Christ the Lord Series, de Bruin illustrates the ongoing dialogue between fiction and faith, emphasizing the fluidity of canonical texts and the emotional connections that drive fan en...
2025-04-231h 16It Means What It MeansEpisode 69: What Is African American Religion with Anthony PinnAnthony Pinn discusses his book What Is African American Religion?, emphasizing that religion is fundamentally about the quest for meaning and complex subjectivity rather than adherence to specific doctrines or institutions. He argues that this quest is a shared human impulse that transcends racial and cultural boundaries, shaped by social contexts and experiences. The discussion also touches on the rise of individuals identifying as “nones” and how community engagement is evolving in the 21st century, highlighting the importance of understanding religion as a broader human experience. Recommendations in this episode include Terror and Triumph; The Interplay of Things; Slave Road...
2025-04-1642 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 68: Paul's Divine Christology with Chris TillingDon’t panic! It’s Jared’s forty-second birthday and he invited his friend Chris Tilling back to discuss Tilling’s book Paul's Divine Christology, the nature of unconditional love in Paul's writings, and the complexities of intertextual continuity and discontinuity in Paul's theology. They also examine the importance of understanding the “weirdness” of Paul and the need to approach his writings with a fresh perspective, resisting the temptation to domesticate his message. Recommendations in this episode include Larry Hurtado, Matthew Novenson, Ruben Bühner, William Horbury, Crispin Fletcher-Louis, Jared Neusch, John Goldingay, Walter Brueggemann, Beyond Justification, Apocalypse Here, “Paul the Trinit...
2025-04-111h 08It Means What It MeansEpisode 67: Jesus v Evangelicals with Constantine CampbellConstantine Campbell discusses his book, Jesus v. Evangelicals: A Bilical Critique of a Wayward Movement with Jared. They delve into the quadrilateral of evangelicalism, focusing on the significance of activism, the role of institutions, and the challenges posed by celebrity culture within the church. Campbell critiques the political expression of activism and emphasizes the need for a holistic understanding of the gospel that includes the resurrection and social action. Recommendations in this episode include Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation and The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and...
2025-04-091h 02It Means What It MeansEpisode 66: The Judas Project with John DunneJohn Dunne is back to discuss the 1993 film The Judas Project with Jared. Their conversation explores narrative, character motivations, and the cultural and theological implications of its portrayal of Jesus, Peter, and Judas. They analyze the film's unique take on the story of Jesus in a contemporary setting, the motivations behind Judas' betrayal, and the film's overall quality and impact. The discussion also touches on the nostalgia associated with early 90s cinema and the film's earnest yet flawed execution. Recommendations in this episode include Assassin 33AD, The Next Quest for the Historical Jesus, and Jesus and the Forces of...
2025-04-021h 17It Means What It MeansEpisode 65: Finding Phoebe with Susan HylenIn this conversation, Susan Hylen discusses book Finding Phoebe: What New Testament Women Were Really Like and her research on the roles and perceptions of women in the time when the New Testament was written. She highlights the historical context of women's property ownership, their social influence through patronage, and the virtues ascribed to them in ancient society. The discussion also delves into the complexities of speech and silence in relation to social hierarchies, emphasizing that women's roles were more nuanced than traditionally understood. Hylen emphasizes the importance of interpreting biblical texts with an awareness of their cultural background...
2025-03-2654 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 64: Mothers, Children, and the Body Politic with Nadya WilliamsNadya Williams discusses her book Mothers, Children, and the Body Politic: Ancient Christianity and the Recovery of Human Dignity. She emphasizes the importance of unconditional love, the priceless nature of every individual, and the need for community support in times of suffering. The dialogue explores the economic implications of caregiving, the value of the elderly, and how Christianity provides a counter-narrative to modern societal values that often devalue life. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the significance of neighborly love and community in fostering hope and support. Nadya’s recommendations include Wendell Berry, Hannah’s Children, and Muppets in Moscow.
2025-03-1951 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 63: Our Cloud of Witnesses with Yii-Jan LinYii-Jan Lin discusses her article “Our Cloud of Witnesses: A Writing of Hebrews 11:1-12:2 in Memory of the Asian and Asian American Women Killed 16 March 2021.” She reflects on the impact of immigration, the concept of citizenship, and the importance of honoring Asian American activism. Lin challenges dominant interpretations of scripture and emphasizes the need for new methodologies in biblical studies, advocating for a more inclusive and contextual approach to understanding biblical texts. The discussion also touches on the need for community support against misinformation targeting Asian Americans and the broader implications of citizenship in scholarship. Recommendations in this conversation incl...
2025-03-1250 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 62: The Archetypal Witness with Amber DillonAmber Dillon discusses her doctoral dissertation The Archetypal Witness: John the Baptist and Composite Intertextuality in the Fourth Gospel. Dillon explores the significance of John the Baptist in the prologue of the fourth gospel, the evangelist's intentions, and the complex relationship between the Gospel and Jewish identity. She emphasizes the importance of understanding the Gospel of John within its Jewish context and the implications of its anti-Jewish rhetoric. Recommendations in this episode include, The Gospel of John and the Future of Israel, Christmaker, How to Study the Bible’s Use of the Bible, Invitation to the Septuagint, Introducing the Ps...
2025-03-051h 13It Means What It MeansEpisode 61: The Mount Ebal Altar Episode with Kyle RouseIn this conversation, Kyle Rouse, a PhD candidate at Baylor University, discusses his article “Conquests Need Monuments and Monuments Need Inscriptions: The Textual Location of the Mount Ebal Altar Episode in Joshua.” He explores the significance of the Masoretic text, authorship debates, and the cultural conventions surrounding military conquests in ancient texts. Rouse emphasizes the importance of understanding the historical context and narrative coherence of biblical literature, as well as engaging with scholarly conversations on textual traditions. Kyle’s recommendations include Tracking the Master Scribe, “Monumental Inscription and the Ritual Representation of War,” Assyria: The Imperial Mission, Text and Ritual in...
2025-02-261h 15It Means What It MeansEpisode 60: Phoebe, A Host of Christian Travelers with Jason BorgesJason Borges discusses his article “Phoebe, a Host of Christian Travelers: The Meaning of Πϱοστάτις in Romans 16:2.” He explores the role of hospitality in the ancient world, particularly how figures like Phoebe served as hosts for Christian travelers. The discussion delves into the concept of patronage, the reciprocal nature of relationships in ancient hospitality, and the institution of Proxenia, which facilitated travel and support among communities. Borges emphasizes the importance of understanding these dynamics to grasp the social fabric of early Christianity. Jason’s recommentations include Edwin Judge, Proxeny and Polis: Institutional Networks in the Ancient Greek World, and Lionel Casson.
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2025-02-1952 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 59: Land Possession and the Meaning of Isaiah 60:21 with Shalom HoltzShalom E. Holtz, Professor of Bible at Yeshiva University, discusses his article “The Problems of Land Possession and the Meaning of Isaiah 60:21.” The discussion explores the legal implications of land possession during the Neo-Babylonian and Persian periods, the role of imperial powers, and the theological perspectives surrounding law and land ownership. He emphasizes the vision of restoration in Isaiah 60 and its relevance to contemporary interpretations, including the utopian ideals present in ancient Israel. Recommendations from this episode include Praying Legally; A Prophet Reads Scripture: Allusion in Isaiah 40-66; and the collected works of Ken Follet and Charles Dickens, respectively.
2025-02-121h 08It Means What It MeansEpisode 58: When All We Know is the Title with Matthew MongerMatthew Monger; Associate professor of Near Eastern Languages and Literatures MF Norwegian School of Theology, Religion, and Society; discusses his article “The Book of the Daughters of Adam in the Gelasian Decree.” He explains the decree's role in establishing a canon of scripture and introduces the Book of the Daughters of Adam, a text mentioned in the decree but lacking historical evidence. The discussion delves into the Book of Jubilees, its historical context, and the importance of critical editions in understanding biblical texts. Monger also explores the nature of textual variance in manuscripts and the intentions of scribes in thei...
2025-02-051h 08It Means What It MeansEpisode 57: Submitted for Your Approval: Judges As Anthology with Brandon HurlbertBrandon Hurlbert (one of the hosts of The Two Cities podcast) discusses his article “Deconstructing the Downward Spiral: Anthology as Coherence in the Book of Judges,” arguing that it should be viewed as an anthology of narratives rather than a unified story depicting a downward spiral of moral decay. He explores the editorial processes behind ancient texts, the complexity of biblical narratives, and the presence of humor and irony within the stories. Hurlbert also evaluates the common downward spiral thesis through a series of tests, ultimately challenging its validity and emphasizing the interpretive freedom readers have when approaching these text...
2025-01-291h 18It Means What It MeansEpisode 56: Embracing the Jewess with Caryn Tamber-RosenauCaryn Tambor-Rosenau discusses her article “Embracing the Jewess: Reading Gender and Ethnicity in Judith with the Belle Juive.” She contrasts literary analysis with historical criticism, emphasizing the importance of understanding the text's function rather than solely its historical background. Caryn and Jared explore the character of Judith from the biblical text, discussing her independence, the implications of her choices, and the feminist interpretations of her story. They delve into the historical context of Judith's narrative, examining how different interpretations have emerged over time, particularly in relation to Jewish identity and anti-Jewish sentiments. Caryn introduces the concept of feminist exegesis, emph...
2025-01-221h 02It Means What It MeansEpisode 55: Rethinking Atonement with David MoffittIn this conversation, David Moffitt, a professor of New Testament and early Christianity at the University of Saint Andrews, discusses his book Rethinking the Atonement and explores the representation of atonement in the Hebrew Bible and New Testament. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the complexities of sacrifice and reconciliation, the diversity of perspectives within the New Testament, and the significance of Jesus as a high priest in the context of a heavenly liturgy. Douglass Moo Commentary, Three-Body Problem.
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2025-01-151h 04It Means What It MeansEpisode 54: Death and Salvation in Paul with Clair MesickIn this podcast episode, Jared interviews Claire Mesick, an assistant professor of New Testament at Calvin University, discussing her recent article “Death and Salvation in Paul and Ancient Judaism (1 Corinthians 5:5).” The conversation delves into the complexities of Paul's writings, particularly the concepts of flesh and spirit, the implications of handing someone over to Satan, and the relationship between suffering, death, and salvation in both Pauline and rabbinic contexts. Claire presents various scholarly interpretations of the passage, highlighting the theological nuances and the historical context of early Christianity and Judaism. If you want to support the podcast financially, go to patr...
2025-01-0855 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 53: Reading Josephus in Luke with Michael KochenashIn this conversation, Jared and Michael Kochenash explore the complexities of historical narratives, particularly in relation to the Gospels. They discuss the spectrum of historiography, the role of reading communities, and the importance of understanding the motivations behind the narratives. The conversation also delves into the challenges of chronology, the nature of censuses in the ancient world, and ethical considerations surrounding redacted citations in biblical studies. Michael shares insights into his research and offers recommendations for further reading, while also touching on personal interests in literature and children's books. Check out Michael’s book Roman Self-Representation and the Lukan Ki...
2025-01-011h 02It Means What It Means2025 PreviewHappy New Year! To close out 2024, we’re going to share clips of what we have in store for 2025. Guests in the new yea will include Nadya Williams, Amber Dillon, Kyle Rouse, Jason Borges, Shalom Hotz, Matthew Monger, Brandon Hurlbert, Caryn Tamber-Rosenau, David Moffitt, Clair Mesick, and Michael Kochenash. Reach out with guest suggestions or feedback at itmeanswhatitmeans@gmail.com. If you want to support the podcast financially, go to patreon.com/ItMeansWhatItMeansPodcast. Thanks for your support!
Rabbi Reuven Klein has a book available in hardcover and paperback, and I neglected to add it to the...
2024-12-311h 00It Means What It MeansEpisode 52: Traditions II: Orthodox Judaism with Rabbi Reuven Chaim KleinIn this conversation, Rabbi Reuven Chaim Klein shares his journey through Orthodox Judaism, discussing the nuances of Jewish education, the significance of biblical texts, and the role of the oral Torah. He explains the structure of the Jewish Bible, the importance of the Torah scroll in worship, and the diverse roles of rabbis within the community. The discussion also touches on the nature of Jewish life, emphasizing action over belief, and concludes with resources for those interested in learning more about Orthodox Judaism. If you would like to support the podcast financially, $5 a month will get you access to...
2024-12-301h 08It Means What It MeansEpisode 51: Seconding Sinai with Hindy NajmanIn this conversation, Hindy Najman discusses her book Seconding Sinai: The Development of Mosaic Discourse in Second Temple Judaism. She challenges the traditional understanding of pseudepigrapha as inauthentic and instead explores how texts associated with figures like Moses can be seen as faithful to the tradition and transformative in the hands of later writers. She emphasizes the importance of ethical reading and the responsibility of individuals and communities to interpret and revitalize traditions. The conversation also touches on the tension between tradition and progress, the role of natural law in Philo's thought, and the concept of tikkun olam in...
2024-12-2559 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 50: Ancient Polemic in the New Testament with Luke Timothy JohnsonIn this conversation, Luke Timothy Johnson discusses his article on the “New Testament's Anti-Jewish slander and the Conventions of Ancient Polemic.” He argues that the negative characterizations of Jews in the New Testament were not aimed at Judaism as a whole, but at specific groups within Judaism. Johnson emphasizes the importance of understanding the historical and sociological context in which these writings were produced. He also explores the relationship between early Christianity and Judaism, and the misinterpretation of New Testament language as divinely inspired condemnations of Jews. The conversation explores the liturgical approach to reading scripture in the Catholic trad...
2024-12-231h 04It Means What It MeansEpisode 49: Paul within Judaism with Mark D NanosMark Nanos discusses his interest in Jewish history and his focus on reading the New Testament, particularly Paul, from a more Jewish perspective. He explains how his research and writing have challenged traditional interpretations of Paul and the Jewish tradition. Nanos emphasizes the importance of reframing the language used to discuss Jewish law and sacred teaching. He also explores the concept of creating a new culture of understanding and the role of the Shema as a unifying theological proposition in Paul's work. Nanos concludes by discussing the conversion of Gentiles into Jews and the significance of reading Romans 11 in...
2024-12-161h 06It Means What It MeansEpisode 48: Who's Present in Psalm 82 with Shane M ThompsonIn this conversation, Shane Thompson discusses his article “Local Manifestations of YHWH within El’s divine Council: Psalm 82 in the Context of Israelite Religion.” He explores the concepts of monotheism, monolatry, and henotheism, and proposes that Psalm 82 describes multiple local manifestations of Yahweh. He argues that ancient Israelite religion was not a monolithic monotheistic system, but rather a complex and diverse belief system influenced by neighboring cultures. The conversation also touches on the challenges of interpreting ancient texts and understanding the religious practices of ancient Israel. The conversation explores the development of monotheism in ancient Israel and the role of Psa...
2024-12-091h 06It Means What It MeansEpisode 47: Traditions I: Greek Orthodoxy with Father John HabyFather John Haby discusses his personal background and journey to the Greek Orthodox Church. He explains the liturgical engagement with biblical texts in the Greek Orthodox tradition, emphasizing the importance of tradition and the Eucharist. Father Haby also addresses the issue of biblical literacy within the church and the challenges it faces. He highlights the need for a deeper understanding of the Bible and the traditions of the church. Additionally, he discusses the challenges posed by a trust fund mentality among parishioners and the geopolitical issues within the Orthodox Church. In this conversation, Fr. John Haby discusses various aspects...
2024-12-0248 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 46: Dialogue in LXX Isaiah and Romans with Daniel RodriguezIn this conversation, Daniel Rodriguez discusses his paper “On Γαρ'd: Dialogue in LXX Isaiah and Romans” and the misinterpretation of Paul's words in Romans. They explore the translation of biblical texts and the complexity of understanding theological concepts in Paul's writings. They also discuss the distinction between sin and transgression and the importance of listening to Jewish voices in biblical studies. The conversation concludes with recommendations for further reading and fun books and TV shows.
2024-11-281h 25It Means What It MeansEpisode 45: Suddenly Then Gradually with Edmon GallagherThe conversation with Edmon Gallagher explores the growth and expansion of the Septuagint and its canon. The Septuagint refers to the Greek translation of the Old Testament, specifically the Torah. The traditional story is that King Ptolemy commissioned 70 Jewish scholars to translate the Torah from Hebrew into Greek. However, Gallagher argues that the Septuagint initially referred only to the Torah and later expanded to include other books. He discusses the sudden expansion of the Septuagint in the second century AD and the gradual growth that followed. The conversation also touches on the concept of canon and the different perspectives...
2024-11-251h 03It Means What It MeansEpisode 44: The Song of Songs: A Narrative in Lyric Poetry with Gavin FernandesGavin Fernandes discusses his article on the Song of Songs and the issue with the interpretation of the words 'melech' and 'alamot'. He argues that the word 'melech' should be understood as 'king' and not dismissed or interpreted figuratively. He also emphasizes the importance of understanding the literary integrity of the text and the presence of three parties: the king, the woman, and the women. Fernandes explores the debate on whether the Song of Songs has a narrative and argues that it is a lyric poetry that can convey a narrative. He discusses the historical and theological interpretations of...
2024-11-1857 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 43: Islam and the Bible V with Mark DurieMark Durie, an Anglican pastor and expert on Islam, discusses the influence of Charles Kraft on missions to Muslims. Kraft, a missiologist, promoted the idea of insider movements, where Muslims could follow Christ while retaining their Muslim identity. Durie explains that Kraft's approach to biblical translation was influenced by Eugene Nida, who believed that meaning was determined by the response it evoked. Kraft argued for the removal of terms like 'Son of God' and 'Father' from Bible translations to avoid offense to Muslims. Durie critiques Kraft's dismissal of the Nicene Creed and emphasizes the importance of cultural sensitivity in...
2024-11-111h 02It Means What It MeansEpisode 42: Islam and the Bible IV with Kyle from Bible Translation FellowshipKyle discusses the importance of Bible translation for the church and challenges the notion that the Bible is primarily for non-Christians. He emphasizes the need for pastors and laypeople to engage with the original languages of the Bible and highlights the role of exegesis, hermeneutics, and theology in interpretation. Kyle also emphasizes the importance of stable translations that can be used by Christian communities for worship, teaching, and evangelism. In this conversation, Kyle discusses the importance of receptivity and thinking about the audience when it comes to Bible translation. He also emphasizes the role of translations and footnotes in...
2024-11-041h 05It Means What It MeansEpisode 41: Islam and the Bible III with Georges HoussneyIn this conversation, Georges Houssney discusses his background and ministry, as well as the impact of the Arabic language on Islam and Christianity. He explains the differences in terminology between the two religions and the challenges of translating the Bible into Arabic. Georges also shares his perspective on the Insider Movement and the importance of the Orthodox Church's historical approach to theology. He emphasizes the need for a transformational model of evangelism and the cultural changes that come with accepting Christianity. Georges concludes by discussing the concept of the Son of God and the challenges of interpreting this theological...
2024-10-281h 06It Means What It MeansEpisode 40: Islam and the Bible II with Fred FarrokhIn this conversation, Fred Farrokh discusses the controversy surrounding Muslim Idiom Bible translations and the theological assumptions behind them. He explains the challenges faced by Bible translators in communicating the gospel to Muslims and the tension between making the message understandable and acceptable. The conversation also touches on the role of indigenous Christian communities, the complexity of cultural context, and the translation of divine familial terminology. Farrokh emphasizes the importance of contextualizing the Bible in a way that people can understand and the need for a good diagnosis to find appropriate solutions. This conversation explores the controversy surrounding the...
2024-10-211h 20It Means What It MeansEpisode 39: Islam and the Bible I with Ant B GreenhamThis conversation explores the topic of Muslim Idiom Translations in the context of Bible translation and the challenges faced by Christians in Muslim majority societies. The discussion covers the history of Arabic-speaking Christians, the tension between missiology and ecclesiology, and the concerns of Christians in Muslim majority societies. The target audience for this conversation includes Bible translators, linguists, mission organizations, missionaries, seminaries, pastors, and supporting churches. In this conversation, Ant Greenham discusses his book on Bible translation and the importance of the subject. He highlights that the book provides valuable insights for both experts and those with a general...
2024-10-141h 01It Means What It MeansEpisode 38: The Souring of the Ways with John DunneIn this conversation, John Dunne discusses his recent article “The Souring of the Ways: Anti-Jewish Readings of Psalm 69 and the Wine Offerings to Jesus.” He explores the texts in the gospels and the Hebrew Bible, highlighting the differences and inconsistencies in the details of the wine offerings. Dunne argues that the simplification of these details in later tradition is influenced by the intertext of Psalm 69. This simplification leads to an anti-Jewish reading, where the Jewish people are blamed for offering sour wine and gall to Jesus. Dunne also examines the commentaries on Psalm 69 and how they contribute to this anti...
2024-10-0751 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 37: The Illustrated Cairo Genizah with Nick PosegayNick Posegay, a postdoctoral researcher at the Cambridge Faculty of Asian and Middle Eastern Studies, discusses the Cairo Genizah, a Jewish collection of texts that contains manuscripts from the 8th to the 20th century. He explains the history and significance of the Genizah, the types of materials and inks used in the manuscripts, and the challenges of dating and cataloging the fragments. Posegay also recommends books, such as Sacred Trash and The Sisters of Sinai, that provide further insights into the Genizah and its discovery. Check out my next guest John Anthony Dunne on his blog/podcast The Two...
2024-09-301h 01It Means What It MeansEpisode 36: Who You Callin' Short with Isaac T SoonIn this conversation, Jared interviews Isaac T. Soon, an expert in religious studies, about his article on the interpretation of the Zacchaeus story in Luke 19:1-10. They discuss the common assumption that Zacchaeus is the short one in the story, while Jesus is seen as normal and able-bodied. Isaac challenges this interpretation and argues that it is possible that Jesus is the short one, which disrupts the traditional understanding of Jesus as physically perfect. They also touch on the intersection of disability studies and biblical interpretation, as well as the need for more diverse perspectives in the field.
2024-09-2336 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 35: Centurions in the Jesus Movement? with Rebecca RunessonRebecca Runesson discusses her article on Centurions in the Jesus Movement and the Gaianus inscription at Kefar ‘Othnay. She explores the role of centurions as patrons and their interactions with the local community. The spread of ideas and belief systems is examined through the lens of weak ties and strong ties. The Gaianus inscription is analyzed as an example of patronage in the early Christ cult. This conversation explores the symbiotic nature of patronage, the role of weak ties in social networks, and the potential of soldiers and centurions to adopt new ideas. It delves into the spread of th...
2024-09-161h 05It Means What It MeansEpisode 34: John and "the Synagogue" with Wally V CirafesiIn this conversation, Wally Cirafesi discusses his article on rethinking the portrayal of the synagogue in the Gospel of John. He challenges the assumption that the expulsion of Christ believers from the synagogue represents a break between Judaism and Christianity. Cirafesi argues that synagogues in the ancient world were diverse and multifunctional public institutions, rather than monolithic religious spaces. He emphasizes the need to read the New Testament within its Jewish context and appreciate the Jewishness of the text. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the historical and social context of synagogues in order to interpret the Gospel...
2024-09-0950 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 33: Improvisation and the Drama of Ethics with Samuel WellsSamuel Wells discusses his book Improvisation: The Drama of Christian Ethics and explores the concept of improvisation in Christian ethics. He introduces the metaphor of the Five Act Play, which includes creation, covenant, Christ, church, and consummation. Wells emphasizes the importance of ecclesial ethics and the formation of character within the church. He explains the concept of accepting and over-accepting offers in improvisation and how it relates to ethical decision-making. Wells also discusses the challenges of prisons and the need for a change in culture. He explores the dimensions of improvisation and provides contemporary examples of over-accepting in society...
2024-08-2655 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 32: Remarriage in Early Christianity with A Andrew DasIn this conversation, Andrew Das discusses his book Remarriage in Early Christianity. He shares how his interest in the subject began and the various influences that shaped his research. Das explores the Greco-Roman and Jewish contexts of the time, highlighting the widespread acceptance of divorce and remarriage. However, he notes that Jesus' teachings on divorce and remarriage were radical and went against the prevailing cultural norms. Das examines the passages in the Gospels where Jesus addresses this topic and emphasizes the importance of understanding the historical and cultural context. He also discusses Paul's views on marriage and celibacy and...
2024-08-191h 28It Means What It MeansEpisode 31: Asian American Hermeneutics with Gale A YeeThe conversation explores the themes of biblical hermeneutics, the hermeneutics of suspicion, and the intersectionality of race and gender in biblical interpretation. The guest, Gail Yee, discusses her book on Asian-American biblical hermeneutics and the importance of understanding the historical and cultural context of biblical texts. They also touch on the abuse of the Bible in Christian nationalism and the need for a critical and nuanced reading of the text. In this conversation, Dr. Gail Yee discusses her approach to biblical hermeneutics and the importance of considering historical and cultural contexts when interpreting biblical texts. She emphasizes the need...
2024-08-1243 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 30: Sargon of Akkad and Nimrod with Christopher W JonesIn this conversation, Christopher W. Jones discusses his article on the literary historical memory of Sargon of Akkad and its connection to the figure of Nimrod in Genesis 10. He explains the concept of literary historical memory and provides background information on Sargon of Akkad. Jones explores the subversive nature of the Nimrod narrative and its critique of empire. He also discusses the dating of the Nimrod story and previous attempts to identify Nimrod. Jones recommends works by David Carr, Ust-Din-Nai-O-Dead, and Peter Machinist for further reading. In this conversation, Christopher Jones discusses his favorite children's books and shares his...
2024-07-2951 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 29: Criminalization in Acts of the Apostles with Jeremy L WilliamsIn this conversation, Dr. Jeremy L. Williams discusses his research on criminalization in the book of Acts and its relevance to contemporary issues of power and justice. He explores the concept of criminalization as a cultural artifact and the ways in which it is influenced by socio-political location. Dr. Williams also examines the terminology of missionary and evangelism, highlighting the subversive nature of gospel proclamation. He emphasizes the need to challenge power structures and reevaluate perspectives in order to create a more just world. Dr. Jeremy L. Williams discusses his book and the importance of using antiquity to understand...
2024-07-151h 09It Means What It MeansEpisode 28: Envy and Jealousy in the Hebrew Bible with Anthony EllisIn this conversation, Anthony Ellis discusses the concept of kina (envy/jealousy) in the Hebrew Bible. He explores the different interpretations and implications of kina, both in human relationships and in the context of divine jealousy. Ellis highlights the story of Joseph and his brothers as an example of envy among siblings and the moral lessons it conveys. He also delves into the theological significance of divine jealousy and its association with monotheism. Additionally, Ellis examines the concept of vicarious jealousy, where individuals feel jealousy on behalf of others, particularly in relation to God's jealousy for his people. This...
2024-07-011h 08It Means What It MeansEpisode 27: Trauma Remembrance and Healing with Rebecca W Poe HaysRebecca Poe Hays, an assistant professor at Truett Seminary, discusses the intersection of trauma, remembrance, and healing in Psalm 78. She explores the genre of Hebrew poetry and how stories are conveyed in the Psalms. Hays highlights the importance of historical Psalms and their connection to the wisdom tradition. She draws parallels between trauma treatment methods and the structure of Psalm 78, emphasizing the significance of storytelling in trauma healing. Hays also discusses the role of the Psalms in building resilience and fostering a sense of community. In this conversation, Rebecca Poe Hays discusses the influence of scripture on the world...
2024-06-171h 01It Means What It MeansEpisode 26: Travel Anxiety in Early Judaism with Elisa UusimäkiElisa Uusimäki discusses the topic of travel and anxiety in early Jewish literature. She shares her background and research interests, including her focus on the figure of the wise person and the intersection of wisdom and travel. She explains how she defines and approaches anxiety in her article, drawing on psychological and affect studies. She discusses the texts she analyzes, including Tobit and the writings of Philo of Alexandria, and how they depict travel-related anxiety. Elisa also explores the societal and personal dimensions of travel in the ancient world and its relevance today. The conversation explores the motivation f...
2024-06-031h 11It Means What It MeansEpisode 25: Christmaker: A life of John the Baptist with James F McGrathJames McGrath is a religious studies professor and author of the book Christmaker: A Life of John the Baptist. In this conversation, McGrath explains how his interest in John the Baptist was sparked by his previous work on the Gospel of John and the Mandaeans, a group that emerged from followers of John the Baptist. He also challenges common misconceptions about John's appearance and lifestyle, highlighting the complexity of his family background and his role as a charismatic figure challenging the religious establishment. The conversation explores the foundational tradition of John the Baptist and his role in challenging the...
2024-05-2758 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 24: Building the Tabernacle and Priestly Hegemony with Nathan MacDonaldIn this conversation, Nathan McDonald discusses the concept of priestly hegemony and its utilization of different aspects of culture to establish power. He explains the development of the biblical text and the complex history behind it. Nathan also explores the connection between the priestly and Deuteronomic sources and how they collided and harmonized over time. He highlights the significance of the names of the sons of Israel in the priestly vestments as a representation of the transformation of identity. Overall, this conversation provides insights into the construction and evolution of the biblical text. This conversation explores the development of...
2024-05-201h 52It Means What It MeansEpisode 23: Disentangling Disability in the Hebrew Bible with Eric J HarveyIn this conversation, Eric J. Harvey discusses his research on blindness in the ancient Middle East, particularly in the Hebrew Bible. He explains the differences between the categories of not seeing, unseeing, and blind, and how interpreters have often misunderstood and conflated them. Eric also delves into the concept of the normate body and the ableist interpretations of biblical texts. He explores the significance of Second Isaiah and its portrayal of disability as a metaphor for the end of exile and a new beginning. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the embodiment and corporeality of God in the...
2024-05-061h 02It Means What It MeansEpisode 22: Mourning for Tammuz in Ezekiel 8 with William S MorrowIn this episode, Jared talks to William Morrow about his article “Mourning for Tammuz: Prophecy and Projection in Ezekiel 8:14” from The Journal of Biblical Literature. Recommendations made include the Society of Biblical Literature website, Bible Odyssey, Biblical Archaeological Review, American Theological Library Association, Review Biblical Literature, Ancient World Online, and Ian Rankin’s Rebus books. Click here to find out where you can follow the podcast.
2024-04-2247 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 21: The Faithful Son in Hebrews 1:3b with Jonathan RowlandsJonathan Rowlands, a theology lecturer, discusses the book of Hebrews and its themes. He explains that Hebrews is a unique text in the New Testament, and its genre and authorship are still debated. The book emphasizes Jesus as a high priest and his role in atonement. Rowlands explores different readings of Hebrews 1:3b and how they impact the understanding of the text. He also discusses the importance of Jesus' pre-crucifixion life in the overall message of Hebrews. In this conversation, Jonathan Rowlands discusses his research on the book of Hebrews and the sacrificial system. He explains that the sacrifice...
2024-04-111h 15It Means What It MeansEpisode 20: Unitarian Evangelicals and the Faith of Jesus with Curtis FreemanIn this episode, Jared talks to Curtis Freeman about his essay “The Faith of Jesus Christ: An Evangelical Conundrum” from the book Beyond Old and New Perspectives on Paul: Reflections on the Work of Douglas Campbell. Recommendations made include James William McClendon, Glen Butner, Fred Sanders, NT Wright, Richard Hays, and Mark A Noll features prominently in the conversation. Reach out with feedback at itmeanswhatitmeans@gmail.com, on Twitter, Bluesky, Facebook, Instagram, Spoutible, or check out the podcast Linktree.
2024-04-081h 04It Means What It MeansEpisode 19: Liberating Paul's Gospel with Jon DePueIn this conversation, Jon DePue discusses the main themes of his book Beyond Justification: Liberating Paul’s Gospel with Jared. They explore the concept of Paul's gospel as a gospel of life and liberation, moving beyond the traditional understanding of justification. They discuss the cosmic scope of Paul's gospel and the importance of the afterlife in Paul's thinking. They also delve into the alternative gospel proposed by justification theorists and the significance of Jewish practices in Paul's theology. In this conversation, Jon and Jared discuss the overcorrection in Second Temple Judaism studies and the need for a theological perspective. Th...
2024-03-2559 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 18: Re-remembering Hagar with Haley GabrielleIn this episode, Jared talks to Haley Gabrielle about her article “Re-remembering Hagar: Reading Σάρξ in Galatians with Spillers” from the Journal of Biblical Literature. Recommendations made include Shively Smith, Randall Bailey, Gay Byron, Vanessa Lovelace, Mitzi Smith, Sharon Jacob, Dolores Williams, and (I added) Gale Yee.
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2024-03-131h 05It Means What It MeansEpisode 17: America's Book with Mark A NollMark A. Noll discusses his book America's Book: The Rise and Decline of a Bible Civilization, 1794 to 1911. He shares his motivation for writing the book and explains that it is a continuation of his research on the use of the Bible in American history. Noll highlights the entrepreneurial and free-form nature of religion in America, particularly in relation to the production and use of the Bible. He also explores the role of learning Greek and Hebrew in America and the presence of anti-intellectualism in American Christianity. Noll concludes by discussing the diverse perspectives and communities in biblical interpretation in...
2024-03-111h 00It Means What It MeansEpisode 16: Making Sense of the Incense Altar with Hananel ShapiraHananel Shapira, a PhD student at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, discusses his research on the priestly literature and his article on the incense altar. He explains that while the prescriptive incense altar is a later addition to the text of Exodus 25-29, it does not mean that it was absent from the temple rites. Shapira argues that the menorah played a part in the burning of incense and challenges traditional translations of the word 'menorah.' He also explores the differences between the Masoretic Text and the Septuagint, as well as the placement of the incense altar in...
2024-02-2641 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 15: The Where and When of Joshua 10 and 11 with Ya'akov Dolgopolsky-GevaIn this episode, Jared talks to Ya’akov Dolgopolsky-Geva about his article from the Journal of Biblical Literature “Where (and When) Did the Authors of Joshua 10:1-39, 11:1-15 Live?”. Recommended scholars include Shirly Natan-Yulzary, Ariel Seri-Levi, and Idan Dershowitz. Click here to find out where you can follow the podcast.
2024-02-1245 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 14: Gospel Media with Nicholas A ElderIn this conversation, Nicholas Elder discusses his book Gospel Media: Reading, Writing, and Circulating Jesus Traditions, which covers the complexity of reading, writing, and circulating texts in the ancient world. He dispels myths about these practices and highlights the influence of other fields on biblical studies. He explores the relationship between ancient and modern media and emphasizes the sociality of media. He challenges assumptions about early Christian reading practices and the influence of anti-Judaism. He discusses the importance of orality in the ancient world and the transition from orality to textuality. He also examines the oral characteristics of the...
2024-01-2947 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 13: The Hebrew Bible as Literature with Tod LinafeltIn this episode Jared talks to Tod Linafelt about his book The Hebrew Bible as Literature: A Very Short Introduction from Oxford University Press. Books mentioned or recommended in this episode: Biblical Narrative and the Death of the Rhapsode, JPS TANAKH: The Holy Scriptures, Books by Robert Alter, An Invitation to Biblical Poetry, Reading the Poetry of First Isaiah: The Most Perfect Model of the Prophetic Poetry, Mimesis: The Representation of Reality in Western Literature, and the Very Short Introduction series. Click here to find out where you can follow the podcast.
2024-01-151h 05It Means What It MeansEpisode 12: Ben Witherington III - Apocalyptic Literature ExplainedIn this conversation, Dr. Ben Witherington discusses his background as a professor of New Testament and his extensive experience in teaching and writing. He introduces his book The Problem with Evangelical Theology: Testing the Exegetical Foundations of Calvinism, Dispensationalism, Wesleyanism, and Pentecostalism and explains his motivation for writing it. The conversation then delves into the nature of apocalyptic literature, distinguishing it from other biblical genres and discussing its purpose and characteristics. Dr. Witherington emphasizes the importance of understanding the original context of apocalyptic texts and cautions against misinterpreting them. He also addresses misconceptions about the timing of the end...
2024-01-0150 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 11: Brent A Strawn - Divine Doppelgängers IIIIn this conversation, Brent A. Strawn discusses the significance of Yahweh's lookalikes in the ancient world and the challenges of differentiating Yahweh from other gods. He explores the extremes of over-differentiation and over-similarity and the limitations of historical analysis in understanding the ancient Near East pantheon. Strawn also examines inadequate responses to Yahweh's lookalikes and the relative significance of historical data. He highlights the importance of engaging with the ancient context of the texts and offers insights into the representation of gods in ancient Near Eastern literature. Finally, he discusses the ways to read the Bible faithfully, considering the...
2023-12-241h 08It Means What It MeansEpisode 10: Jon D Levenson - Divine Doppelgängers IIIn this episode, Jared talks to Jon D Levenson about his essay “Is There a Counterpart in the Hebrew Bible to New Testament Anti-Semitism” from the book Divine Doppelgängers: YHWH’s Ancient Look-Alikes. Recommendations made include novelist Ben McIntyre and Jared throws in Kurt Vonnegut and Terry Pratchett for good measure. Click here to find out where you can follow the podcast.
2023-12-151h 01It Means What It MeansEpisode 9: Collin Cornell - Divine Doppelgängers IIn this episode Jared talks to Collin Cornell about his chapter in Divine Doppelgängers: YHWH’s Ancient Look-Alikes, which he edited. The title of his chapter is Theological Approaches to the Problem of God’s Ancient Look-Alikes. Collin’s recommendations are Paula Fredriksen, Matthew V Novenson, Matthew Thiessen, A Companion to the Hellenistic and Roman Near East, Matt Chalmers, and Gard Granerød. Additionally, Collin is the author of Divine Aggression in Psalms and Inscriptions: Vengeful Gods and Loyal Kings and co-translator of Biblical ABCs: The Basics of Christian Resistance. Click here to find out where you can follow the...
2023-12-0156 minIt Means What It MeansEpisode 8: Daniel Rodriguez - Hospitality in Biblical TranslationOn this special Thanksgiving episode, Jared talks with Daniel Rodriguez about his article “Reframing Hospitality: Cognition, Social Binding, and Mimetic Criticism” from The Bible Translator. Daniel mentioned and recommended René Girard, Jacques Derrida, Jacques Lacan, Ryan Stokes, Michele Foucault, language as a function of relationship, Reinier de Blois, Eugene Nida, Kenneth Lee Pike, Chris Tilling, Robert Alter, Eugene Peterson, James Maxey, Chip Hardy, Phil Towner, Paul Ricoeur, Douglas Campbell, Chris Brady, Wila Gafney, Phil King, Rabbi Dr David Stein, Jacob Milgrom, Roy Gane, David Moffit, Christo van der Merwe, Jackie Naude, Ninja Turtles: Last Ronin, Teen Titans, Spider Man, Dale...
2023-11-231h 35It Means What It MeansAARSBL 2023On this episode, Jared talks about his experience at the 2023 American Academy of Religion and Society of Biblical Literature combined annual meeting. He attended presentations by the following scholars: David A Burnett, Jeremy Williams, Jason Staples, Ryan C Chester, and Hindy Najman. Click here to find out where you can follow and support the podcast.
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