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Two Priests on the PatioWhen Faith Costs You EverythingWhat happens when following your calling means losing your community? In this raw and
revealing conversation, married Anglican priests Sue Ann Warren and Jeff Ward open up about
the price they paid for answering God's call, leaving the Roman Catholic Church, facing friends
who thought they were going to hell, and coming home to "prayer gifts" urging them to "snap out
of it."
Twenty-five years later, they're still unpacking what it means to choose faith over belonging, and
why so many Christians have traded Jesus' actual teachings for something far more dangerous.
2026-02-071h 01Two Priests on the PatioI Am the Vine, You Are the Branches: Understanding Awakened ConnectionIn this episode of Two Priests on the Patio, Che Marville sits down with Reverend Canon Sue-Anne Warren and the Venerable Jeff Ward to explore Chapter 15 of Dr Lisa Miller’s The Awakened Mind: Awakened Connection, a chapter that bridges spirituality, neuroscience, and the deep human need for belonging.
Together, they unpack emerging evidence from brain scans, prayer studies, and consciousness research that suggests we are far more interconnected than we realise. From synchronised brain waves during communal prayer to indigenous healing practices, the conversation explores how love, intention, and spiritual awareness strengthen the brain, protect against depression and anxiety, and rene...
2025-12-1347 minTwo Priests on the PatioWhen Scripture Feels Male: A Letter on Faith and FemininityIn this episode of Two Priests on the Patio, host Che Marville shifts the format to focus on a single powerful question from the growing community of listeners. Rev. Jeff Ward reads aloud a beautifully articulated letter from Jasmine, who asks what many women have wrestled with: How can I practice Christianity when so much of the language and imagery feels male-centred? How do I find God beyond the patriarchy?
Jeff and Rev. Sue Ann Ward respond with remarkable honesty and theological depth, acknowledging that while humans wrote the Bible in patriarchal contexts, Jesus himself consistently overturned...
2025-11-3056 minTwo Priests on the PatioThe origins of Two Priest on the PatioIn this episode of Two Priests on the Patio, host Che Marville continues the journey with Reverend Canon Sue Ann Ward and the Venerable Jeff Ward to explore how this podcast came to be and the origins of "Two Priest on the Patio".
Drawing on inspiration from Dr. Lisa Miller's groundbreaking work "The Awakened Brain" and John Fugelsang's book "Separation of Church and Hate"
Whether you're in the wilderness or on the path back to yourself, you are not alone.
Peace and blessings to you.
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2025-10-3151 minTwo Priests on the PatioAwakened Attention: Listening for God Beyond the NoiseInspired by The Awakened Brain by Dr. Lisa Miller
In this soul-stirring episode of The Awakening with Two Priests, Hosted by Reverend Canon Sue Anne Ward and Venerable Jeff Ward have a robust conversation inspired by Chapter 14 of Lisa Miller’s The Awakened Brain.
Together, they explore the sacred practice of awakened attention and the art of listening for the divine voice within us amid the chaos of modern life. From the story of Walter and his spiritual awakening through the guidance of Howard Thurman, to reflections on synchronicity, setbacks, mental health, and the heali...
2025-08-3043 minTwo Priests on the PatioFrom Despair to Awakening: Loneliness, Depression & the Spiritual PathIn this third episode of The Awakening with The Wards, host Che Marville continues the journey with Reverend Canon Sue Ann Ward and the Venerable Jeff Ward to explore how depression, despair, and even Loneliness can be doorways to more profound awakening.
Drawing from Dr. Lisa Miller's groundbreaking work The Awakened Brain, the conversation boldly addresses how the darker seasons of life, especially during midlife or transition, can guide us toward spiritual breakthroughs. Together, they examine the tension between achieving awareness and awakened awareness, and how society's obsession with performance often blinds us to our tru...
2025-08-1650 minTwo Priests on the PatioPrayer, The Gospels & The Spirit Within: Reclaiming Sacred ConnectionIn this deeply contemplative episode of The Awakening with The Wards, your host, Che Marville, is joined once again by the Venerable Jeff Ward and Reverend Canon Sue Anne Ward. Together, they explore the essence of prayer not just as ritual, but as a path to inner awakening and divine relationship.
What if you're already spiritual, just not religious? In this week's episode of The Awakening with The Wards, we talk about prayer, purpose, and why the soul needs connection now more than ever.
Grounded in the work of Dr. L...
2025-08-0252 minTwo Priests on the PatioGenesis of Awakening-Spirituality is not a belief. It’s a natural capacity of the human brainWe are introducing a new series called Awakening with the Wards, it is inspired by the work of Dr. Lisa Miller, and we are using her book, The Awakened Brain, to look at the relationship between spirituality and science. Our mission is to help and serve through the Christian faith.
Peace and blessings to you.
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