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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 35 - From ExMo to HexMo with Guest Courtney PearlAfter a person leaves the Mormon faith, they're often left asking themselves, now what? Where do I find spirituality now? In this episode, Kate talks with fellow exmo Courtney Pearl about her spiritual path within paganism. They discuss relationship with the earth and ritual for the holidays.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 34 - COVEN-ant With the Goddess
2025-11-1256 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 33 - Can't See the Forest for the OaksThe new patriarch is in town! In this episode, Kate & Erika discuss the Mormon church's new prophet, Dallin H. Oaks. The man comes with controversy and they unpack it with their signature humor, empathy, and cocktails.  Recorded in Salt Lake City this podcast is NOT intended to strengthen the faith of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Listener discretion is advised. Please visit our website: www.twonomos.com Follow Two NoMos on Facebook Follow Kate on TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram @Midlife Exmo Follow Erika's on T...
2025-11-0556 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 32 - My Cousin Vallow: The Story of Lori Vallow with Guest Megan ConnerMegan Conner shares her inside perspective on the Lori Vallow murders, with René Steelman stepping in for Kate.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 31 - The Missionary Position: "At Least a Book of Mormon Apart"Mormon missions are grueling. Kate reveals all the strict, oppressive rules missionaries must adhere to while providing FREE labor to the church as sales reps who pay for their own missions. It's basically an MLM from hell, with no hope of ever making so much as a penny in return....
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 30 - S(ex)-Communicated! With Guest Natasha HelferAbusers, manipulators, groomers are all allowed to stay in the Mormon church. Some are even promoted to the upper echelons of leadership. But Natasha Helfer was excommunicated for refusing to say things like "Masturbation is a sin." This is her s(ex) communication story.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 29 - Rising Through the Flames With Guest Megan ConnerMegan Conner is a remarkable woman with a remarkable story. In this episode, she discusses recovery after being trafficked as a seven-year-old child, and leaving an abusive marriage as an adult. Now she is thriving and using her voice to help others. Special thanks to René Steelman for stepping in once again as a stellar co-host! If you aren't already listening to her podcast, "The Midlife Revolution With Megan Conner," check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/@Third_Verse!
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Bishop Said WHAT?!?!Being forced to do things in the sack is a-ok according to the Mormon church, as long as it’s to “keep your family together.” 😳🤮 Two NoMos loved chatting with Joe Rawlins on this episode of, “An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar…”!   Check out Joe's podcast, "The Church of Korihor," here: https://www.youtube.com/@hellfireagency.
2025-08-2101 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 28 - Restoration or Racketeering? With Guest Joe RawlinsTwo NoMos continue to explore the lies, fabrications, and discrepancies from the Mormon church that were exposed by the CES Letter. Joe Rawlins lends his expertise. Check out his podcast, "The Church of Korihor," here: https://www.youtube.com/@hellfireagency
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Joseph Smith Was a FRAUDJoseph Smith was a fraud and a scheister. There is SO MUCH information readily available to refute most of his claims, it’s bonkers that there is even a single member left in the Mormon church. Two NoMos absolutely LOVED chatting with Rob Tobler on this episode of our podcast, “An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar…”! You can find more of Rob's content here: https://www.tiktok.com/@president_please_help_me
2025-08-1900 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 27 - Joseph Smith: Lost in Translation With Guest Rob ToblerTwo NoMos dive further into the lies exposed by the CES letter with special guest, Rob Tobler. You can find more content from Rob on TikTok at @president_please_help_me.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Responding to Mormon Missionaries....Most people are annoyed when the Mormon missionaries come a knockin'. Erika is not most people...
2025-08-1301 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Structurally Supported Abuse in the Mormon ChurchAll of Erika's hairs stood on end when she heard this talk by Alyssa Grenfell at the Sunstone Symposium. Abuse of children is actually baked in to the structure of the church.  Bone chilling. Check out the podcast, "Architecture of Abuse" at https://architectureofabuse.com/ to learn more.
2025-08-0801 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Piety to Obtain a Bangin Wife?Mormons like to say they are "In the world but not of the world." But the very worldly messaging young missionary men receive is anything but pious, and about as basic and worldly as you can get...
2025-08-0702 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 26 - Shining at SunstoneKate and Erika had a phenomenal time at the Sunstone Symposium, attending talks by Natasha Helfer, John Dehlin, and Alyssa Grenfell. In this episode, they discuss the highlights.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - "No One From the Church Called When My Son Died."Guest René Steelman's son died on Christmas Day. Because she had recently left the Mormon faith, no one from the church bothered to reach out to her with comfort. Their "love" was conditional on her being a member. Which is to say, not really love at all. Check out this phenomenal woman's podcast, "She Became Visible," here: https://www.youtube.com/@SheBecameVisible513/videos.
2025-08-0600 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - The EXACT Moment Kate Left the Mormon ChurchThe CES letter that highlights all the hypocrisy, falsehoods, and discrepancies of the Mormon church broke Kate's "shelf." So she informed her bishop with confidence and in no uncertain terms that she was leaving.
2025-08-0500 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Natasha Helfer EXCOMMUNICATED for Sharing FactsClip - Kate, Erika, and René discuss the excommunication of therapist Natasha Helfer from the Mormon church for sharing factual information with her clients. She refused to spread the harmful messaging that masturbation is a "sin," and so she got the boot.
2025-07-3100 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 25 - Belief CES-Sation: Examining the CES LetterIt’s been two years since Kate left the LDS Church—and what better way to mark the occasion than with a deep dive into the infamous document that helped blow her shelf to smithereens? In this episode, Kate and Erika unpack the CES Letter: what it is, how it landed, and why it continues to shake testimonies and stir up existential crises across Mormonism. Expect laughter, tears, a little righteous rage, and a whole lot of “Ohhh, that’s why that never made sense!” Whether you’ve read the CES Letter cover to cover or you’re just Mormon...
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Women Can Grow Humans AND Be Great LeadersWe tried, we really tried to get through a significant chunk of and episode of Ward Radio" with Joe Rawlins on his podcast, "The Church of Korihor." But these Two No Mos just couldn't keep their mouths shut when preposterous statements were made by the show's hosts. See the full video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3orkcY7uU8&t=3551s
2025-07-2801 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 24 - Let's Talk About Mental Health, Baby!In this episode, an ExMo and a NeverMo and another ExMo talk about the effects of Mormonism on mental health. Buckle up for some deep conversations, laughter, and an announcement about the future of the podcast! Check out the article from the Deseret News: https://www.deseret.com/2023/6/20/23759342/latter-day-saint-mental-health-research/ Recorded at Land of a Thousand Hills in South Jordan, UT, this podcast is NOT intended to strengthen the faith of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Listener discretion is advised. ***WARNING: This podcast is created for adult audiences only...
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - "You're Taught to Hate Yourself."Kate and Erika had a wonderful chat with Jonathan Alder, who wrote “Closeted,” about his experiences as a gay student at BYU. Spoiler alert: The experiences were not good. You can find his book here: amazon.com/Closeted-Life-Gay-Student-Memoir-ebook/dp/B0B3JFGRGB
2025-07-2500 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - When Self-Loathing Is a "Virtue"Sam Nieves is gaying away the the pray! While he underwent destructive and traumatic conversion therapy, where he was praised for h@ting himself, he is now healing and thriving and helping others to do the same through the Conversion Therapy Survivor Network. You can find more information about his impactful non-profit here: www.conversionsurvivor.org #AnExMoandaNeverMoWalkIntoaBar #TwoNoMos #podcast #ExMo #NeverMo #LGBTQ #Pride #conversiontherpy #conversiontherapysurvivor #gayawaythepray #conversiontherapyiswrong #loveislove #loveyourself #bornthisway #thechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints #mormon #lds #exlds
2025-07-2100 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - "YOU ARE WORTHY."Chris Davis Proud reads from her book, “Worthy.”  What an honor it was to hear this “ExMo Lesbo’s” story, from trials to triumph. She is using her voice to help others find theirs.  ♥️🧡💛💚💙💜 You can find more information about her and her book here: chrisdavisproud.com.
2025-07-1901 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Two NoMos Visit "The Church of Korihor"!Kate embraces feminism. Erika, as usual, roars.   We loved being guests on the Podcast, "The Church of Korihor" with Joe Rawlins! We discussed everything from feminism to sex to the brilliant film Heretic. It was a hoot! See the full video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3orkcY7uU8&t=3551s
2025-07-1801 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Season 2 Ep. 7 - CONFESS!Mormon bishops demand that you confess every last juicy detail of your "sins." Nothing creepy at all!
2025-07-1700 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 23 - Trans-Gression in MormonismIn this episode, roles are reversed as René takes on the role of cohost and Jaime becomes the guest. Jaime describes the challenges of being a transwoman in predominantly Mormon culture. 
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - "You'll Be Made Straight in the Next Life"Trigger Warning: Suicidal Ideation Author Chris Davis Proud talks about a dark time in her life when she was a closeted member of the Mormon church. While this story has a happy ending, this phenomenal woman certainly experienced some trials. But ultimately, she triumphed, and is using her voice to help others to feel their WORTH. Learn more about her journey, and check out her uplifting book, "Worthy" here: https://chrisdavisproud.com/.   
2025-07-1501 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - The Real, Literal, Absolute, 100% True Story of When This Exmo and NeverMo MetWhen Kate left the Mormon Church, Erika had SO MANY questions. So we started a podcast. This is our origin story. Told in under 30 seconds.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 22 - Becoming Visible With Special Guest, René Steelman!A wonderful (substitute) ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar with René Steelman! We loved chatting with this phenomenal woman, and host of the podcast, She Became Visible.  When she left the Mormon church after decades of service, she stepped into her own agency, wants, and visibility. Catch her podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/@SheBecameVisible513.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 21 - PRIDE With "ExMo Lesbo" Author Chris Davis Proud!Chris's story is heartbreaking but ultimately joyful. Growing up in the Mormon Church, she could never live authentically as her true self. But now she is OUT and thriving. And she even shares a tale about telling her bishop exactly what she thought of him! She details this all in her uplifting book, "Worthy." You can learn more about this magnificent human and her upcoming projects at chrisdavisproud.com or on TikTok @ChrisDavisProud.
2025-07-0153 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 20 - Gay Away the Pray! With Guest Sam NievesYour Two NoMos are devoting June to PRIDE! In this episode, we chat with Sam Nieves, of the Conversion Therapy Survivor Network. He talks about his journey out of the Mormon Church after being subjected to the harmful practice of "conversion therapy," and embracing his true self. Finding community and validation through the support of the non-profit for which he works (conversionsurvivor.org/) has been key. You can also find Sam on TikTok @CantPrayMeAway.
2025-06-2554 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Burn it to the Ground!After shooting a video in which Two NoMos Kate and Erika attempted to enter a Mormon Temple, and subsequently were met with excruciating hellfire, they were informed this was the wrong approach. So they corrected their error. Hee hee....
2025-06-1800 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 19 - LIVE at PRIDE With Author Jonathan Alder!Two NoMos Kate and Erika had the opportunity to sit down with author Jonathan Alder at the Utah Pride Festival.  He wrote the book Closeted about his experiences as a gay student at BYU. His story is heartbreaking, poignant, and ultimately joyful and healing, as he has stepped into his true self, and is living authentically and thriving! His book is available at https://www.amazon.com/Closeted-Life-Gay-Student-Memoir-ebook/dp/B0B3JFGRGB.
2025-06-1752 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 18 - An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a PRIDE Festival! Two NoMos go LIVE for the first time at the Utah PRIDE Festival! It's a little loud, it's a little messy, it's a lot colorful, but so is life. Happy PRIDE, Everyone! Kate and Erika were at the Conversion Therapy Survivor Network booth, raising funds for this important and impactful organization. If you are looking for this type of support, or you would like to support the wonderful work this organization is doing, please visit: conversionsurvivor.org/.
2025-06-1048 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Utah PRIDE Was Full of LOVE!Two NoMos had too much fun at Pride With Gay Jesus!
2025-06-0900 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Transphobia in the Mormon ChurchThe Mormon church humiliates trans folks who dare to attend services by demanding that they be escorted to use the restroom, but is perfectly fine with sending children in to be alone with bishops who ask them VERY intimate questions.   MAKE IT MAKE SENSE....
2025-06-0600 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Two NoMos Walk Into a Pride Festival!Two NoMos had a blast at Daybreak Pride! We'll be celebrating Pride all throughout the month of June.  Happy Pride to everyone!!!!
2025-06-0500 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 17 - Kicking Back With Gay Jesus to Kick Off PRIDE!What better way to celebrate PRIDE than to hang with Gay Jesus (aka Ryan Barlow)? He shares his evolution from devout member of the Mormon church, to beacon of hope, love, and support for the LGBTQ community as rainbow, sparkly Jesus.
2025-06-0354 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - (Gay) Jesus Christ!To open season two of our podcast, we had a very special, vey bedazzled, sparkly guest. It was magical!
2025-06-0300 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Impromptu Photoshoot With Gay Jesus!We had so much fun with guest Gay Jesus aka Ryan Josiah aka Ryan Barlow, that we decided to have a quick, impromptu, informal photoshoot with him after the recording! This first episode of season two drops on Tuesday, June 3.
2025-05-3000 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Season Two Opens With GAY JESUS!Two NoMos have been on a short recording break to gear up for lots of upcoming events and engagements. But next Tuesday, June 3, we're back, Baby! We open season two with very special guest, "Gay Jesus," aka, Ryan Josiah. Spoiler alert: he is neither Jesus nor gay. But he is a local Salt Lake celebrity and activist, fighting the good fight for marginalized groups, particularly LGBTQ. And we were super stoked and honored that he shared his story and time with us.   Tune in on June 3 for the first episode of season two o...
2025-05-2900 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - A Trying Moment - The Mormon Temple Without a "Recommend"Folks without a Temple "recommend" are not permitted to enter the Mormon Temple. We didn't realize how dire the consequences would be for doing this... Erika tries the Temple for the very first time, and Kate returns for the first time after leaving the church. Don't try this at home, kids.
2025-05-1901 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - A Trying Moment - Kate Tries a New Swear Word!Can Kate say "See You Next Tuesday"? Find out in this Trying Moment!
2025-05-1800 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - The Casual Racism of "Good" MormonsNothing like "good" Mormons telling racist jokes. Thanks to Channel Achenbach for sharing her afternoon and her story with us!
2025-05-1700 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Mormon Temple Cult CeremonyWomen are asked to "cover their faces" during parts of Mormon Temple ceremonies.  This is a quote from a woman whose sister had a panic attack and broke down sobbing the first time she went through the Temple. None of her friends or family were permitted to comfort her, as everyone is required to keep their heads down and plow through the ceremony.
2025-05-1601 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - The Mormon Temple Is Mysterious and ExclusiveLike Jesus, the Mormon Temple is exclusive and unavailable to many. Wait a minute...
2025-05-0800 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 16 - Temple (REALLY Do Not) Recommend Part TwoThe Mormon Temple and all its rituals are creepy. In this episode, the Two NoMos dive further into the cult-like rituals and share some terrifying quotes from ExMormons who went through the Temple and came out scathed and traumatized.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 15 - Temple (Do Not) RecommendTo enter the Mormon Temple, a member needs a "recommend." In other words, one needs to be deemed "worthy" enough, and of course, the hefty tithing needs to be paid. God always needs money. While this flies in the face of everything espoused by Jesus (the man, the myth, the legend - however you conceive of this figure), it also doesn't seem to be quite worth it. Once members are "inside" and have the full Temple experience, many feel slighted, anxious, or just plain creeped out by the full-on cultiness. In this episode, the Two...
2025-04-2953 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Sexual Shame Is Not Just for Women in the Mormon ChurchOn his mission for the Mormon church, Bryan went to his bishop, distraught by some natural feelings he was having as a young man. Instead of normalizing this, the bishop asked him a humiliating question and shamed him.
2025-04-2503 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 14 - The (Sex) Life of BryanIn the last episode of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar...", Kate and Erika discussed the harmful messaging from the Mormon church around sex, and the damage that does to women. This episode looks at the harm that this messaging does to men. From being grilled about the verboten masturbation, to being shamed for having any sexual feelings whatsoever, the church does a number on men as well as women. This organization may have lots of discriminatory practices and beliefs, but it doles out harm to all without prejudice or reservation.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Jump Humping With God!The Mormon church teaches nothing but shame around sex. This leads to harmful ideologies and dangerously incorrect information. In this clip, Kate shares what she learned about sex from her parents. Spoiler: It's not remotely factual.
2025-04-1801 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 13 - Shit! The Dildo!Though the title of this episode sounds a lot dirtier than it actually is, it deserves an explicit content warning as Kate and Erika talk about sex, baby.  The Two NoMos discuss the harm caused by purity culture, aka the law of chastity, as taught in the Mormon church. They're joined by an amazing local group of women who were also negatively affected by the church's shame on sex.  Now out of this harmful organization, they can begin to shed the shame, while celebrating and enjoying this part of life.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Churches Gonna ChurchIt all comes down to money and power. In this episode, Kate and Erika sit down with poet Kaitlin Shetler to discuss the similarities and differences between the church of Christ and the Mormon church.
2025-04-1100 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - The Damaging Ick of General ConferenceGeneral Conference has been described as, "Receiving a slap and then a kiss."  Members are bombarded with messaging that they are not enough, that they will never be enough, and that they need the church to even have a chance at being enough, so they had better come back and stay forever. But they will probably still never be enough. All while they are being told how wonderful and glorious the experience is. Sounds like the tactic of an abuser. Or a cult. Because it is.
2025-04-0903 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 12 - General Conference "Glow"For many years, Kate was made to attend "General Conference," a large gathering of Mormons that happens twice a year. Over this weekend, members are told they are worthless and that they need the Mormon church to make them whole, all while being bombarded with messaging that this is a wonderful, holy, sacred experience. This results in significant cognitive dissonance that is palpable and registers on attendees' faces. There have also been numerous controversial talks at these conferences over the years. In this episode, Kate and Erika break it all down. Over cocktails. Of course.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - No Rights for You!In this episode, "Keep Sweet, Pray, and...NO WAY!", Kate and Erika discuss all the ways in which the Mormon church subjugates and oppresses women.  Here, we read a quote from Elaine Dalton when she was President of the Young Women's Organization, instructing women not to fight for their rights.
2025-04-0301 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - The Mormon Church Is Racist AFThe Mormon church is racist AF. In this clip from Episode 11, "'White and Delightsome' Is Frightsome," guest Channel Achenbach shares one of the many stories of racism she experienced as a member of this organization. The racism is baked in. And it is prevalent.
2025-04-0201 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 11 - "White and Delightsome" Is Frightsome!In this episode, Kate and Erika welcome Channel Achenbach, a Black woman who converted to the Mormon church in her teens and experienced all kinds of racism, Mormon style. She shares the story of her exit from the church, and the strength she's found along the way, advocating for herself and her children with grace.   Find her on TikTok: @sapid711 and Facebook: Channel Achenbach
2025-04-011h 09An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - SHAME!Shame is a centerpiece of the Mormon church. It is taught and it is taught young. Children are indoctrinated and programmed to shame and humiliate other children when they step out of line, so they can grow into adults who do the same. This is another cult control tactic that keeps members "behaving" and most importantly, PAYING TITHING.
2025-03-3101 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Mormon Church Leaders KNOW Doctrine Is FalseMormon church leadership discourages any reading outside of church-approved literature. Any critical thought is disparaged, and members are encouraged to turn their brains off.
2025-03-2700 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - "I Prefer My Life in Color."When confined within the culture of the Mormon church, so much of life is unavailable to you. So much of life is...beige. Now that Kate has left the church, there is so much more she can enjoy. Now she lives her life in vibrant color, unshackled from the tedious rules and control tactics of the church.
2025-03-2600 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 10 - If Mormon Were a Color, It Would Be BeigeIn this episode, Kate & Erika explore life inside and outside of the Mormon faith. Inside, so much is verboten - R-rated content, intimate relationships, even coffee! Now that Kate has left the church, she is happy to live her life in full, blooming color instead of beige. And Erika, dirty heathen that she is, has always lived in vibrant color.
2025-03-2558 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Joseph Smith Was a FraudIn this Episode, Kate and Erika sit down with the Fresh King Benjamin to discuss the fraud of the Mormon church. Joseph Smith, the first "prophet" of the church was a predator and should be condemned. 
2025-03-2400 minAn ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... Podcast
An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Mountain Dew...For HEALTHMany people have heard that Mormons won't drink caffeine. This is untrue. Mormons will GUZZLE caffeine. As long as it's not HOT caffeine, because their "health" doctrine instructs, "No hot drinks." So they will down a Mountain Dew but eschew green tea. HOWEVER, they wouldn't drink a COLD (NOT HOT) green tea, for unknown reasons, and they WILL drink HOT cocoa. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 9 - Both Sides, Now; With Special Guest, Kambria DavisIn this episode, Kate & Erika interview guest Kambria Davis, who is the "Mormonist lesbian," an exMo, astrologer, and energy healer. Together, they talk about the church's harmful practices against the LGBTQ community and take a look into spirituality post-Mormonism, wealth, and woo. Kambria also gives Kate & Erika a birth (not bird) chart reading. Be sure to follow Kambria on any of the following platforms: IG: @womenwealthandwoo FB: https://www.facebook.com/kambria.davis.9 Website: https://www.thekambriadavis.com/
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - Best Business Model EVERThe Mormon church is the best business model ever. Not only does this organization use cult tactics to coerce members out of their hard-earned cash, but in order for this coercion to work, the church needs to strip members of their self-worth and their ability to think critically.  It is robbery in service to this 10% tithing. And everything is singularly focused to this end.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastClip - "I Chose My Child."In this clip from episode one of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar...", given the choice between the dogma of the Mormon church or her child, Kate chose her child.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastTrailer 1 - "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar..."We are Two NoMos - an ExMormon, Kate, and a NeverMormon, Erika. Together we deconstruct the Mormon faith with humor and empathy. And cocktails. Cheers to deconstructing Mormonism!
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 8 - Unbaptized: And Into the Fiery Pits of Hell!In this episode of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar..." Kate and Erika discuss Mormon baptism for both the living and the dead. Mormonism requires baptism for entrance into the Celestial Kingdom where only the most righteous can dwell. Since the early leaders of the Mormon church were anything BUT righteous, the Two NoMos use their self-proclaimed power to unbaptize Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. 
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 7 - Women Can Birth but Not Bless; With Guest Poet Kaitlin ShetlerTwo NoMos Kate and Erika sit down with extraordinary poet and ex-church of Christ member, Kaitlin Shetler. In this episode we discuss the similarities and differences between the Mormon Church and the church of Christ. We highlight the cult tactics employed by both, as well as the erasure of women in these organizations. And as a special treat, Kaitlin reads one of her beautiful and powerful poems, "sometimes i wonder," about the erasure of Mother Mary's experience in birthing Jesus. Kate and Erika were both a bit awestruck by Kaitlin's enormous talent.
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 6 - Keep Sweet, Pray and... NO WAY!In the Mormon church, women are not allowed to hold any significant positions of leadership. They are prohibited from ever being the Prophet, a part of the Quorum, a Bishop, or even holding the Priesthood in their own homes. They can oversee the Women's Auxiliary and the Children's Ward, but even then, they must check in with male leaders about any decisions, and they are not permitted to make decisions on their own. In this episode, "Keep Sweet, Pray and... NO WAY!", Kate and Erika examine the second-class status of women in the Mormon church, and the...
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 5 - A Very Special Two NoMosIn this "after school special" episode of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk into a Bar..." Kate and Erika discuss some of the struggles that come with leaving The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, or Mormon Church. For many, a change in religion changes relationships with family and friends who are still members of the church. This one gets personal. Buckle up. 
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 4 - Two Girls, One CultIn this episode, Kate and Erika discuss whether or not the Mormon church is a cult, and Kate "tries" the viral video from the dawn of the internet, "Two Girls, One Cup." This was our reference for cult criteria: https://www.cookman.edu/crl/cult-related-activity.html
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 3 - Fun With Polygamy! With Guest The Fresh King BenjaminIn this episode, Kate and Erika chat with The Fresh King Benjamin about his upbringing in a Mormon polygamist compound. Then we all get a little wild and decide to try out polygamy to see what all the fuss is about! This podcast is NOT intended to strengthen the faith of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Listener discretion is advised. ***WARNING: This podcast is created for adult audiences only. Content warnings for this episode include explicit language and sexual references.   Follow The Fresh King Benjamin on t...
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 2 - What the Hell is an ExMo Doing in a Bar?In this episode of "An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk into a Bar...", Kate and Erika discuss the absurdities of the Word of Wisdom, or code of health. Mormons will drink a chemical $#!+storm of Mountain Dew, while eschewing green tea as the devil's brew. And they do this in the name of health. Kate wouldn't even enter a bar while a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and now she is co-hosting a podcast over drinks with Erika at The Break Sports Grill. Also, Erika gets dirty with a soda. ...
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An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar... PodcastEp. 1 - Unlikely Friends Become Besties In this episode of An ExMo and a NeverMo Walk Into a Bar..., cohosts Kate (ExMormon) and Erika (NeverMormon) introduce themselves and their podcast. They share their experiences living in Salt Lake Valley, or "Mormon Central", and reflect on the unlikely friendship that developed between them. The episode explores their experiences with the Mormon church and the changes that led them to start this podcast together.   Recorded at The Break Sports Bar & Grill in South Jordan, Utah, this podcast is not intended to strengthen the faith of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. L...
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